Anyone Watch Charlie Rose Last Night? (Two Towers)
12-04-02, 07:44 AM
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Anyone Watch Charlie Rose Last Night? (Two Towers)
For the 2nd half of the show he had on Peter Jackson, Elijah Wood and Viggo Mortensen supposedly to talk about The Two Towers. But after a few minutes of talking to Jackson and Wood, Rose commented on Viggo's homemade t-shirt 
. He (Viggo) then went on for about 10-15 minutes talking about how America is wrong for bombing Afghanistan and going to war with Iraq. He then started bashing Bush saying that the reason he is going to war with Iraq is because of a vandetta his father had with Saddam.
They showed Jackson (who said nothing the entire time) for a second during Viggo's tirade and he looked like he was thinking "what the hell is this guy talking about and why is he doing it now, we are supposed to be talking about the movie The Two Towers.
Rose asked Viggo why bombing Afghanistan (and hunting down Al Qeada wasn't warranted after 9/11 and Viggo's response was "we killed more innocent people when we bombed Afghanistan than they did on 9/11, so what ?"
I really hate it when actors give us their political opinions.
Nobody cares what Viggo (or Streisand, Baldwin, Sheen...) thinks about politics. The show was supposed to be talking about the Two Towers instead he goes on there on a political mission by wearing his homeade t-shirt.
Viggo keep your mouth shut about politics and stick to acting.
You don't know what your talking about. You sounded like a complete ass last night, and you looked like one too (see photo).
. He (Viggo) then went on for about 10-15 minutes talking about how America is wrong for bombing Afghanistan and going to war with Iraq. He then started bashing Bush saying that the reason he is going to war with Iraq is because of a vandetta his father had with Saddam. They showed Jackson (who said nothing the entire time) for a second during Viggo's tirade and he looked like he was thinking "what the hell is this guy talking about and why is he doing it now, we are supposed to be talking about the movie The Two Towers.
Rose asked Viggo why bombing Afghanistan (and hunting down Al Qeada wasn't warranted after 9/11 and Viggo's response was "we killed more innocent people when we bombed Afghanistan than they did on 9/11, so what ?"
I really hate it when actors give us their political opinions.
Nobody cares what Viggo (or Streisand, Baldwin, Sheen...) thinks about politics. The show was supposed to be talking about the Two Towers instead he goes on there on a political mission by wearing his homeade t-shirt.
Viggo keep your mouth shut about politics and stick to acting.
You don't know what your talking about. You sounded like a complete ass last night, and you looked like one too (see photo).
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12-04-02, 01:56 PM
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The showing was going fine until Rose decided he would rather talk about Mortensen's fashion sensibilities. What a waste of bandwidth.
If this thing is to be included on a future DVD of The Two Towers, I hope that particular segment gets cut out!
If this thing is to be included on a future DVD of The Two Towers, I hope that particular segment gets cut out!
12-04-02, 02:18 PM
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Originally posted by Eplicon
The showing was going fine until Rose decided he would rather talk about Mortensen's fashion sensibilities. What a waste of bandwidth.
If this thing is to be included on a future DVD of The Two Towers, I hope that particular segment gets cut out!
The showing was going fine until Rose decided he would rather talk about Mortensen's fashion sensibilities. What a waste of bandwidth.
If this thing is to be included on a future DVD of The Two Towers, I hope that particular segment gets cut out!
12-04-02, 02:28 PM
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This is a perfect example of the classic Hollywood violence/war paradox. They hate war and violence, yet it is all they sell. How can someone so anti-violence like Mortonson, be in so many films that are so violent (GI Jane, LOTR, Texas Chainsaw Masacre III, A Perfect Murder, Psycho remake, Young Guns II, etc.)?
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12-04-02, 02:31 PM
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Originally posted by Pants
This is a perfect example of the classic Hollywood violence/war paradox. They hate war and violence, yet it is all they sell. How can someone so anti-violence like Mortonson, be in so many films that are so violent (GI Jane, LOTR, etc.)?
This is a perfect example of the classic Hollywood violence/war paradox. They hate war and violence, yet it is all they sell. How can someone so anti-violence like Mortonson, be in so many films that are so violent (GI Jane, LOTR, etc.)?
12-04-02, 02:49 PM
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Re: Anyone Watch Charlie Rose Last Night? (Two Towers)
Originally posted by Struz
[FILE PHOTO]
The Evil Orc Queen, Katherine Harris, gazes hungrily at the dwarf-like director Jackson Peter, seen here with news reporter Charlie Rose, Charlie's boy Andy, and an unknown street gigolo.
12-04-02, 08:48 PM
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Originally posted by Pants
This is a perfect example of the classic Hollywood violence/war paradox. They hate war and violence, yet it is all they sell. How can someone so anti-violence like Mortonson, be in so many films that are so violent (GI Jane, LOTR, Texas Chainsaw Masacre III, A Perfect Murder, Psycho remake, Young Guns II, etc.)?
This is a perfect example of the classic Hollywood violence/war paradox. They hate war and violence, yet it is all they sell. How can someone so anti-violence like Mortonson, be in so many films that are so violent (GI Jane, LOTR, Texas Chainsaw Masacre III, A Perfect Murder, Psycho remake, Young Guns II, etc.)?
Viggo keep your mouth shut about politics and stick to acting.
You don't know what your talking about. You sounded like a complete ass last night, and you looked like one too
You don't know what your talking about. You sounded like a complete ass last night, and you looked like one too
12-05-02, 01:26 AM
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Originally posted by clemente
Well, luckily you were able to get your point across without letting any bias show through...and oh so eloquant with that last quip.
Well, luckily you were able to get your point across without letting any bias show through...and oh so eloquant with that last quip.
12-05-02, 04:02 AM
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Originally posted by RoboDad
Well, I would say that Struz's comments were no more biased than, and easily as eloquent as, anything Viggo had to say. Or are you implying that Struz should be expected to adhere to a different standard of conduct than Mr. Mortensen?
Well, I would say that Struz's comments were no more biased than, and easily as eloquent as, anything Viggo had to say. Or are you implying that Struz should be expected to adhere to a different standard of conduct than Mr. Mortensen?
12-05-02, 07:20 AM
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Originally posted by ipkevin
Well Struz certainly seems to think so. He had no problem giving his unsolicited political opinions while simultaneously chastising Viggo for doing the same thing. I wonder if we would even be having this discussion if Viggo's 15 minute rant had been pro-America?
Well Struz certainly seems to think so. He had no problem giving his unsolicited political opinions while simultaneously chastising Viggo for doing the same thing. I wonder if we would even be having this discussion if Viggo's 15 minute rant had been pro-America?
I said he shouldn't give his and he acted like an ass giving it.
I said actors shouldn't go on national television and give us their political opinions during a show that supposed to be about The Two Towers.
Why don't you tell us why you think it's ok for Viggo to tell us why we shouldn't be retaliating for 9/11 instead of talking about the Two Towers during a show about the Two Towers ?
12-05-02, 07:22 AM
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Originally posted by RoboDad
Well, I would say that Struz's comments were no more biased than, and easily as eloquent as, anything Viggo had to say. Or are you implying that Struz should be expected to adhere to a different standard of conduct than Mr. Mortensen?
Well, I would say that Struz's comments were no more biased than, and easily as eloquent as, anything Viggo had to say. Or are you implying that Struz should be expected to adhere to a different standard of conduct than Mr. Mortensen?
How dare anyone question the Left ?
12-05-02, 10:55 AM
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Originally posted by clemente
Because one is fantasy and one if "real" life, if you don't realize there is a big difference than you there is a problem.
Because one is fantasy and one if "real" life, if you don't realize there is a big difference than you there is a problem.
12-05-02, 11:33 AM
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Originally posted by Struz
Where do I give my political opinion ?
I said he shouldn't give his and he acted like an ass giving it.
I said actors shouldn't go on national television and give us their political opinions during a show that supposed to be about The Two Towers.
Why don't you tell us why you think it's ok for Viggo to tell us why we shouldn't be retaliating for 9/11 instead of talking about the Two Towers during a show about the Two Towers ?
Where do I give my political opinion ?
I said he shouldn't give his and he acted like an ass giving it.
I said actors shouldn't go on national television and give us their political opinions during a show that supposed to be about The Two Towers.
Why don't you tell us why you think it's ok for Viggo to tell us why we shouldn't be retaliating for 9/11 instead of talking about the Two Towers during a show about the Two Towers ?
You don't know what your talking about. You sounded like a complete ass last night, and you looked like one too (see photo).
If you're trying to convince us that your only motivation for posting was to criticize actors (ANY actor, no matter the politics of his message) for speaking out of turn, then you'd be a lot more credible if you left YOUR comments on his topic out of it. At this point, it looks like your actual reason for posting was because you were upset that his opinion clashed with yours, and not just because he spoke up when he shouldn't have.
12-05-02, 11:39 AM
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Re: Anyone Watch Charlie Rose Last Night? (Two Towers)
Originally posted by Struz
, He then started bashing Bush saying that the reason he is going to war with Iraq is because of a vandetta his father had with Saddam.
, He then started bashing Bush saying that the reason he is going to war with Iraq is because of a vandetta his father had with Saddam.
12-05-02, 12:30 PM
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Originally posted by ipkevin
Because lines like this:
Make it very clear that you think his political opinion is wrong and in the process tell us what your beliefs are on this matter.
If you're trying to convince us that your only motivation for posting was to criticize actors (ANY actor, no matter the politics of his message) for speaking out of turn, then you'd be a lot more credible if you left YOUR comments on his topic out of it. At this point, it looks like your actual reason for posting was because you were upset that his opinion clashed with yours, and not just because he spoke up when he shouldn't have.
Because lines like this:
Make it very clear that you think his political opinion is wrong and in the process tell us what your beliefs are on this matter.
If you're trying to convince us that your only motivation for posting was to criticize actors (ANY actor, no matter the politics of his message) for speaking out of turn, then you'd be a lot more credible if you left YOUR comments on his topic out of it. At this point, it looks like your actual reason for posting was because you were upset that his opinion clashed with yours, and not just because he spoke up when he shouldn't have.
My actual reason for posting was because another Liberal actor starting talking out of his ass about politics, like Barbara Streisand and Alec Baldwin, on a show not about politics.
If it was Crossfire or another political show I wouldn't care or watch. But it wasn't. It was a show about the Two Towers.
And he had no right to spew his political beliefs during that show !
You still haven't answered my question on wether it's ok for him to go on national tv and wear a t-shirt like that and trash our country and President when he was booked on the show to talk about the Two Towers ?
Yes or No ?
I'll assume since you won't answer that your answer is yes based on you defending him.
Did you see the show ?
If not, how could you comment on it ?
How do you think Peter Jackson felt ? He went on the show to promote and talk about his new movie and Viggo starts quoting the Liberal playbook ?
12-05-02, 01:08 PM
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I do think VM went on a bit long about the issue (and I didn't like the T-shirt), but I think it was within his right to say what he said where he said it. And I think this (while not agreeing with him on some points) because unlike morons such as O'Donnell and Streisand, VM stated his opinion calmly and intelligently.
What he said that people seem to forget is that the LOTR films are not pro-war, and that politics should not be read into them. The characters fight in the movies because they have to, because they are facing overwhelming evil which directly and unambiguously threatens their existence. Tolkien stated that nothing current and allegorical should be read into his books, and I think Jackson would take the same position, regardless of what he feels about international politics.
What he said that people seem to forget is that the LOTR films are not pro-war, and that politics should not be read into them. The characters fight in the movies because they have to, because they are facing overwhelming evil which directly and unambiguously threatens their existence. Tolkien stated that nothing current and allegorical should be read into his books, and I think Jackson would take the same position, regardless of what he feels about international politics.
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To me, it just seemed the wrong time for VM to get on a soapbox. Talk about the film, and don't preach to me.
As much I love his portrayal of Aragorn, I don't really want to hear his political viewpoints.
As much I love his portrayal of Aragorn, I don't really want to hear his political viewpoints.
12-05-02, 01:24 PM
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Originally posted by Jepthah
I do think VM went on a bit long about the issue (and I didn't like the T-shirt), but I think it was within his right to say what he said where he said it. And I think this (while not agreeing with him on some points) because unlike morons such as O'Donnell and Streisand, VM stated his opinion calmly and intelligently.
What he said that people seem to forget is that the LOTR films are not pro-war, and that politics should not be read into them. The characters fight in the movies because they have to, because they are facing overwhelming evil which directly and unambiguously threatens their existence. Tolkien stated that nothing current and allegorical should be read into his books, and I think Jackson would take the same position, regardless of what he feels about international politics.
I do think VM went on a bit long about the issue (and I didn't like the T-shirt), but I think it was within his right to say what he said where he said it. And I think this (while not agreeing with him on some points) because unlike morons such as O'Donnell and Streisand, VM stated his opinion calmly and intelligently.
What he said that people seem to forget is that the LOTR films are not pro-war, and that politics should not be read into them. The characters fight in the movies because they have to, because they are facing overwhelming evil which directly and unambiguously threatens their existence. Tolkien stated that nothing current and allegorical should be read into his books, and I think Jackson would take the same position, regardless of what he feels about international politics.
When Rose asked him told him what about the 3,000 Americans that were murdered he said "so what, we killed a lot more by bombing Afghanistan".
Again, he had no right preaching his political beliefs on a show about the Two Towers. It was advertised as a show on the Two Towers not "Viggo Mortensen's views on why America's wrong for responding for 9/11".
12-05-02, 01:55 PM
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Originally posted by Pants
Wow, just like us.
Wow, just like us.
Really? Make sure to call me when the entire United States of America is being invaded by large armies of nuke-carrying terrorists off of both of our coasts. That's a workable analogy to Helm's Deep I think.
Not that I support waiting that long, mind you. I'm the farthest thing from a pacifist.
If you insist on reading your political views into the LOTR films, that's your own kick.