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Old 12-01-16, 06:48 AM   #26
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Re: Problem booting up computer

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They take them, but are the electronic items actually recycled here or shipped overseas?
ERPA says this about their recycling members:
http://epra.ca/who-we-are/responsible-recycling
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EPRA only works with recyclers who have been audited and approved under the national Recycler Qualification Program (RQP), which is designed by the electronics industry to ensure that EOLEs are managed in a safe and environmentally sound manner.

This means that all EPRA recyclers are prohibited from exporting electronics or substances of concern to non-OECD (Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development) nations, and the use of prison labour for processing equipment is not permitted. In addition, EPRA requires enhanced worker health and safety provisions and downstream accountability.
Best Buy Canada uses e-Cycle Solutions for recycling which is a member of EPRA and is RQP/RQO certified:
http://www.ecyclesolutions.com/about
http://rqp.ca/

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Old 12-01-16, 05:47 PM   #27
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Norm, if you do decide to replace the computer but are not interested in learning how to use that newfangled Windows 10, Windows 7 is almost identical to Windows Vista, but is updated and future-proofed till at least 2020, and will not actually belly up and die after Microsoft stops supporting it like what people were trying to assert with Windows XP (I still have XP on one of my laptops and it works just fine). Windows 7 is a good replacement for Vista...
Yeah, many people still swear by XP. I don't mind a great deal having to get used to Windows 10. Though not a technophile, I'm not a computer-moron by any means. I just find it a hassle and aggravating to go through all this every few years, especially because one accrues so much personal data on a computer (photos, documents, etc). Therefore, it's a relief to know about Microsoft's lifetime support for W-10.
I hate the "disposable society". We still have three 25+-year-old CRT TVs that work perfectly well. There's no question we will eventually replace them with 4K, OLED, or whatever is the latest at that juncture, but they still work fine now, so why? It's not a matter of being cheap, but rather of consciously avoiding the "mindless consumer" mentality.
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ERPA says this about their recycling members:
http://epra.ca/who-we-are/responsible-recycling
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EPRA only works with recyclers who have been audited and approved under the national Recycler Qualification Program (RQP), which is designed by the electronics industry to ensure that EOLEs are managed in a safe and environmentally sound manner.

This means that all EPRA recyclers are prohibited from exporting electronics or substances of concern to non-OECD (Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development) nations, and the use of prison labour for processing equipment is not permitted. In addition, EPRA requires enhanced worker health and safety provisions and downstream accountability.
Best Buy Canada uses e-Cycle Solutions for recycling which is a member of EPRA and is QRP/QRO certified:
http://www.ecyclesolutions.com/about
http://rqp.ca/
Thanks a lot for this info, Jay.
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Old 12-17-16, 12:15 PM   #28
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Update: I was resolved about getting a new computer until I did a bit of research and realized a half-decent computer can't be had for under a grand, which was a surprise to me. We're not willing to spend that on a computer right now, so I ordered the PSU replacement, it arrived about a week ago, and I installed it yesterday. Seems to work fine. Computer's running a bit louder than before, but I read somewhere that that is not uncommon. Today I plugged my camera into one of the two USB inputs in the front and found that it is no longer recognizing the camera. It appears I, while installing the PSU, must have plugged one of the connectors into the wrong port, so I'll have to take it all apart again.

Once all that is worked out, I'll probably find a source for Windows 7.
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Update: I was resolved about getting a new computer until I did a bit of research and realized a half-decent computer can't be had for under a grand, which was a surprise to me...
This really depends a lot on what you're going to use the PC for. A desktop for $1000 is going to be fairly "high end" with likely a graphics card for high resolution AAA title gaming.

If it's just browsing the internet, checking email, watching videos, using MS Office, etc. , then a medium-range CPU with 4GB of RAM should be fine. A 500GB or 1TB HDD should be more than enough storage for most.

Dell Oultet is offering 30% off select desktops right now with Coupon code eH30InspLDA :
http://www.dell.com/learn/us/en/22/c...eekly_sale_dfh

Here's decent desktop that has a new one listed in Outlet (likely an order that was cancelled after it was built) for $449, or about $315 after coupon. Intel i3-6100 CPU, 4GB RAM, 1TB HDD:
http://outlet.us.dell.com/ARBOnlineS...&puid=8d12bba8


If you miss out on that one, you can have them build you a new one for $369:
http://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/produ...-small-desktop

Or you could go even cheaper and get the Pentium N3700 model for $299. It's still faster than your current CPU.
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare...cmp%5B%5D=2513
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Old 12-17-16, 08:56 PM   #30
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Thanks for pointing that out, Jay. I guess I didn't look thoroughly enough. I checked the electronic stores, not the computer companies themselves. We'd want at least 1 TB of storage, not 500GB (I'm surprised that hasn't risen dramatically in 7-8 years). 4GB RAM is fine, though 8 is preferable.
Anyway, for the time being we're sticking with what we have, but I will remember this thread for future reference.
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We'd want at least 1 TB of storage, not 500GB (I'm surprised that hasn't risen dramatically in 7-8 years)....
The average cost per GB has dropped a lot since 2009. It's basically a third of the cost.
http://www.statisticbrain.com/averag...drive-storage/
http://www.anandtech.com/show/10315/...down-q1-2016/3

An impedement to a more significant drop was flooding in Thailand in 2011 that destroyed some HDD factories. It caused prices to double overnight and took near 2 years for full recovery:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_T...pply_shortages

Also, HDD manufacturers are hitting some hard physical limits to fit more capacity on a HDD. They're having to invent new magnetic reading/recording methods, like overlaping tracks partially, and filling drive casings with helium:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histor...rd_disk_drives

In addition to that, SSDs have been dropping in price significantly, and are gaining in popularity, reducing the HDD market. The number of HDDs sold peaked in 2010.
https://www.extremetech.com/computin...b-holds-steady
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^Interesting info.
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