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Old 06-07-15, 12:12 AM   #26
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Re: Please help me choose a new motherboard!

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That board isn't worth running over Intel's onboard GPU.

You're previous post is a good compromise and you will be able to upgrade it easily to a faster chip in the future. The only thing I would recommend is considering the G3250. Same chip as the G3258, but without the unlocked multiplier. If you have absolutely zero interest in overclocking then it would save you [email protected]
Im confused. I click the link you provided and dont see the G250, I see the GIGABYTE GA-H81M-H LGA 1150 Intel H81 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard
Either way, even though the only difference between the boards is overclocking ability, wouldnt it make most sense to choose the one that comes with 8GB RAM opposed to the one that comes with 4GB?

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Old 06-07-15, 12:34 AM   #27
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ok So how about the mobo/ram that wmansir recommended
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboD...i8f0009mo00053
sure

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..and the cpu that 4KRG recommended
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...4ss0009mo00053
this processor to save a couple bucks

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-449-_-Product

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BTW, 4kRG, I can use either 32 or 64 bit.
Go 64 bit with the 8GB of ram

I am sure the built in intel video would be fine for you, don't worry about a video card for now, you can always add one later
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Old 06-07-15, 12:51 AM   #28
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Re: Please help me choose a new motherboard!

The G3250 is the chip.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819117449

Another option if you aren't interested in overclocking is the G3450:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819116996

Same price as the G3258, but a little faster and it supports 1600 memory. The MB/RAM combo were 1600, but would have been limited to 1333 for the G325x chips since they only support 1333. For encoding it would probably be 5-10% faster than the G3250.
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Old 06-07-15, 04:47 PM   #29
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Re: Please help me choose a new motherboard!

So Mobo/RAM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboD...i8f0009mo00053

Processor
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...20150607185829

good?

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Old 06-08-15, 12:30 PM   #30
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Re: Please help me choose a new motherboard!

Looks good to me, for the money, it's tough to beat
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Old 06-08-15, 01:23 PM   #31
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Yep, looks good. I'm not sure why that chip is 30% off. I thought maybe it was because the G3258 was just eating it's lunch, seeing as how it is cheaper and can be OC'd to be faster fairly easily, but there are several models in between the two that aren't discounted.
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Old 06-08-15, 01:43 PM   #32
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Re: Please help me choose a new motherboard!

Just placed the order, total came out to $164 which seems like a good deal. Guys thanks again for all your help I really appreciate it.
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Old 06-14-15, 03:18 AM   #33
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Finished setting it up tonight, runs awesome so far.
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Old 06-14-15, 03:33 PM   #34
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Awesome. Was hoping this was a good news thread bump.

Have you tried any video editing/encoding yet?
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Old 06-14-15, 04:01 PM   #35
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Awesome. Was hoping this was a good news thread bump.

Have you tried any video editing/encoding yet?
Tried a couple so far. A 25 mn TV show rencodes in about 8 minutes compared to my old setup which took appx 2 hrs.
Even simple tasks like running Firefox which was basically unusable on my old machine is lightning quick.
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Old 05-26-17, 09:45 PM   #37
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Re: Please help me choose a new motherboard!

So I was just given a Dell Optiplex 3020 with an Intel Core i5 4590 @3.30GHz processor & 8GB RAM. Is this a better machine than the one you guys helped me build? (which btw is still holding up great)
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Old 05-26-17, 10:16 PM   #38
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Re: Please help me choose a new motherboard!

This - Intel Core i5 4590 @3.30GHz

is like DOUBLE

this - Intel Pentium G3450 @ 3.40GHz

so yes
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Old 05-26-17, 10:24 PM   #39
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This - Intel Core i5 4590 @3.30GHz

is like DOUBLE

this - Intel Pentium G3450 @ 3.40GHz

so yes
I never understood how to figure out the speed of a processor. The Pentium is 3.40GHz (which is the one in the machine I currently use) while the Core i5 (in the machine that was given to me) is 3.30GHz. Can you explain how the Core i5 almost double the speed of the Pentium?

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Old 05-26-17, 10:58 PM   #40
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I never understood how to figure out the speed of a processor. The Pentium is 3.40GHz (which is the one in the machine I currently use) while the Core i5 (in the machine that was given to me) is 3.30GHz. Can you explain how the Core i5 almost double the speed of the Pentium?
Clock speed hasn't been a good metric for performance for over a decade now. Basically, CPU manufacturers have focused on other features, like number of cores, cache, more efficient design, etc. to improve CPUs ever since they hit the "wall" where increasing clock speed past 4Ghz just wasn't feasible due to exponentially increasing heat and power demands.

Some more info on this. First a basic video:


Then some more in-depth articles:
https://www.howtogeek.com/177790/why...r-performance/
http://smallbusiness.chron.com/proce...ned-56780.html
https://www.extremetech.com/computin...re-still-stuck


This is where benchmarks come in, which try to determine best overall performance by running the CPUs through actually tasks and see how quickly they can do them. However, it's important to note that the specificity of the tasks being run can matter, and thus benchmarks may not be accurate to your real-world usage.

So, let's take a look at a benchmark comparison between the two CPUs:
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare.php?cmp[]=2299&cmp[]=2234

A big thing to notice that while the overall "CPU Mark" of the i5 is almost double the Pentium, the "single thread" score, i.e. how well each core performs, is only slightly higher on the i5. The big difference is the number of cores each CPU has: 4 on the i5, and only 2 and the Pentium. Also, while the i5 has a slower "base" clockspeed, it does have a "turbo" clock speed of "up to 3.7 GHz" which means, when the software demands it, the CPU will actually automatically increase its clock speed to get better performance, as long as it doesn't get too hot, at which point it will throttle back.

A big thing to remember about having more cores is that this only matters if you're running a program that can take advantage of running on more than one core at once (aka multithreading). This is helpful in an OS, where there's typically multiple programs open at once, making for easier multitasking. But it may not make a game that much faster if it's relying a lot on only a single core.

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Old 05-27-17, 12:57 AM   #41
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Re: Please help me choose a new motherboard!

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Clock speed hasn't been a good metric for performance for over a decade now. Basically, CPU manufacturers have focused on other features, like number of cores, cache, more efficient design, etc. to improve CPUs ever since they hit the "wall" where increasing clock speed past 4Ghz just wasn't feasible due to exponentially increasing heat and power demands.

Some more info on this. First a basic video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLSPub4ydiM


Then some more in-depth articles:
https://www.howtogeek.com/177790/why...r-performance/
http://smallbusiness.chron.com/proce...ned-56780.html
https://www.extremetech.com/computin...re-still-stuck


This is where benchmarks come in, which try to determine best overall performance by running the CPUs through actually tasks and see how quickly they can do them. However, it's important to note that the specificity of the tasks being run can matter, and thus benchmarks may not be accurate to your real-world usage.

So, let's take a look at a benchmark comparison between the two CPUs:
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare.php?cmp[]=2299&cmp[]=2234

A big thing to notice that while the overall "CPU Mark" of the i5 is almost double the Pentium, the "single thread" score, i.e. how well each core performs, is only slightly higher on the i5. The big difference is the number of cores each CPU has: 4 on the i5, and only 2 and the Pentium. Also, while the i5 has a slower "base" clockspeed, it does have a "turbo" clock speed of "up to 3.7 GHz" which means, when the software demands it, the CPU will actually automatically increase its clock speed to get better performance, as long as it doesn't get to hot, at which point it will throttle back.

A big thing to remember about having more cores is that this only matters if you're running a program that can take advantage of running on more than one core at once (aka multithreading). This is helpful in an OS, where there's typically multiple programs open at once, making for easier multitasking. But it may not make a game that much faster if it's relying a lot on only a single core.

This is interesting. Thanks for all the info.
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Old 05-29-17, 06:06 AM   #42
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Re: Please help me choose a new motherboard!

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Clock speed hasn't been a good metric for performance for over a decade now. Basically, CPU manufacturers have focused on other features, like number of cores, cache, more efficient design, etc. to improve CPUs ever since they hit the "wall" where increasing clock speed past 4Ghz just wasn't feasible due to exponentially increasing heat and power demands.

Some more info on this. First a basic video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLSPub4ydiM


Then some more in-depth articles:
https://www.howtogeek.com/177790/why...r-performance/
http://smallbusiness.chron.com/proce...ned-56780.html
https://www.extremetech.com/computin...re-still-stuck


This is where benchmarks come in, which try to determine best overall performance by running the CPUs through actually tasks and see how quickly they can do them. However, it's important to note that the specificity of the tasks being run can matter, and thus benchmarks may not be accurate to your real-world usage.

So, let's take a look at a benchmark comparison between the two CPUs:
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare.php?cmp[]=2299&cmp[]=2234

A big thing to notice that while the overall "CPU Mark" of the i5 is almost double the Pentium, the "single thread" score, i.e. how well each core performs, is only slightly higher on the i5. The big difference is the number of cores each CPU has: 4 on the i5, and only 2 and the Pentium. Also, while the i5 has a slower "base" clockspeed, it does have a "turbo" clock speed of "up to 3.7 GHz" which means, when the software demands it, the CPU will actually automatically increase its clock speed to get better performance, as long as it doesn't get too hot, at which point it will throttle back.

A big thing to remember about having more cores is that this only matters if you're running a program that can take advantage of running on more than one core at once (aka multithreading). This is helpful in an OS, where there's typically multiple programs open at once, making for easier multitasking. But it may not make a game that much faster if it's relying a lot on only a single core.
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