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Old 09-11-14, 07:12 AM   #101
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Not impressed. I expect this to be a big failure.

I haven't heard much at all about the Google Glass.
What were your expectations for the iPod, iPhone and iPad? Genuinely curious.
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Old 09-11-14, 07:18 AM   #102
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There is a very slight difference... the inductive charger pad must be attached to the watch as opposed to simply placing it on a pad. The latter being no different than placing a conventional watch on a nightstand.

It's quite possible that by the time the aWatch ships it will have that kind of charger.
The reason we don't/can't - the metal strap that doesn't unbuckle all the way.
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Old 09-11-14, 07:24 AM   #103
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Never had one, but: Loved the Apple HiFi. Ridiculously good sound for the size/price -- absurdly easy to use for non-techies who never could figure out how to use a component stereo (yes, people like that exist, and every time I got stereo questions from one of them during the AppleHiFi era I told them to get one.) I see some of them still in use...
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Old 09-11-14, 07:27 AM   #104
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The ability to keep my phone in my pocket and only have to glance at my wrist to see an incoming notification sounds cool.

Would I rather have that ability than $100? Sure.
Would I rather have that ability than $200? Probably. It would have to look pretty damn nice.
Would I rather have that ability than $300 or more? Nope.
So what about the people who pay way more than $350 for a watch that tells them the time - period?
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Old 09-11-14, 08:07 AM   #105
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So what about the people who pay way more than $350 for a watch that tells them the time - period?
That's up to them. That's probably not something I would ever do, unless I had some professional reason for needing something impressively fancy.
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Old 09-11-14, 08:11 AM   #106
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So what about the people who pay way more than $350 for a watch that tells them the time - period?
I'm in that group. Been collecting watches my whole life and what interests me (and most watch collectors) is the history behind them and the mechanics which keep them running. The Apple Watch provides neither of those. If it's not powered by gears and springs, I'm not interested.
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Old 09-11-14, 08:12 AM   #107
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So what about the people who pay way more than $350 for a watch that tells them the time - period?
Those people don't have to charge it once a day. Or once a week. Or once a month. Hell, sometimes not even once a year.

Still, the (A)Watch is a piece of jewellery that will need to be replaced every couple years as the hardware/software age. That's a positive for some, and a negative for others.

And again, the cheapest ugliest version of this thing will be $350. That's fine, as it will sell like crazy, no doubt. But the "Edition" versions with solid gold and quality bands? No doubt those will be upwards of $1K and some variations will be upwards of $3K within the first year or so, mark my words. Apple just made themselves the Tiffany & Co. of tech, and I mean that in a mostly positive way (I do!).

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But yeah, it's wireless but not really any more convenient.
Yeah. Yes, it's wireless, but if you have to pick up a thing (charger) and position it on the device to the point where the magnets kick in and click it into place, as opposed to some of the wireless charging phones where you simply place the device on top of a pad or pillow... sure, I guess they're both wireless, but one is not really in the true spirit of the technology, since it still requires fiddling with a cable/charger. For what it's worth, I get why Apple did it the way they did (waterproof-ness), and that's fine. But I think future iterations will solve this problem in a much more elegant way.
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Old 09-11-14, 08:27 AM   #108
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Re: Will you be getting iWatch?

There's a big distinction there though, since nice watches are a piece of well engineered fancy jewelry. Smartwatches imo aren't, as they look silly and aren't crafted to the same extent. But they actually do stuff which justifies them.

$350 is reasonable for a watch, it's just not worth it for a goofy looking one with a strangely limited feature set.
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Old 09-11-14, 08:30 AM   #109
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There's a big distinction there though, since nice watches are a piece of well engineered fancy jewelry. Smartwatches imo aren't, as they look silly and aren't crafted to the same extent. But they actually do stuff which justifies them.

$350 is reasonable for a watch, it's just not worth it for a goofy looking one with such limited capabilities.
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Old 09-11-14, 08:33 AM   #110
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Tell him his son created his first ugly product since the first iPhone (but the touch screen was easily the best at the time which compensated for it all)! 'natch!

There's a lot of tech crammed inside a Smartwatch, don't get me wrong, and it's brilliantly engineered in that respect. But it's also mass produced MEH. Yeah, MEH!

I got nothing.
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Old 09-11-14, 09:01 AM   #111
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Those people don't have to charge it once a day. Or once a week. Or once a month. Hell, sometimes not even once a year.
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And again, the cheapest ugliest version of this thing will be $350.
Many watches have to be wound once a day.

To me the cheapest version is the most attractive looking, but I know nothing about fancy watches
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There's a big distinction there though, since nice watches are a piece of well engineered fancy jewelry. Smartwatches imo aren't, as they look silly and aren't crafted to the same extent. But they actually do stuff which justifies them.

$350 is reasonable for a watch, it's just not worth it for a goofy looking one with a strangely limited feature set.
Using the word "Watch" to describe what Apple announced simply because one of its functions is to tell time is similar to calling a VCR a "mantel clock". (except that the VCR most likely blinked "12:00")

But I guess aWatch was easier to say than "digital assistant bracelet".
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Old 09-11-14, 11:24 AM   #113
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There's a big distinction there though, since nice watches are a piece of well engineered fancy jewelry. Smartwatches imo aren't, as they look silly and aren't crafted to the same extent. But they actually do stuff which justifies them.

$350 is reasonable for a watch, it's just not worth it for a goofy looking one with a strangely limited feature set.
What do you consider "strangely"? And for the $350 price point, what other features would you expect?

As mentioned a decent GPS watch for running is in the $200-$300 range (and go up from there). If all it did was show me my running route, pace, distance and allow me to change songs easily while running, I'd argue it was worth $350. Even if it needs to read that from the iPhone.

Few years ago you could buy a wrist remote from Nike (I think). All it did was allow you to control you songs from your wrist and think it was close to $100.
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Old 09-11-14, 11:56 AM   #114
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Ultimately I think there's going to be a disconnect. Some people will see this as an iPhone accessory, or as sracer called it, a digital assistant bracelet. Those people will consider it a good value I think (although most of them will likely go for the cheaper end of the spectrum, since they're interested in functionality over form). People who think of it as a watch first will be a harder sell, because as others have said, it has issues if you think of it as a watch first.

As for the wireless charging, I've seen plenty of watch-sized Qi chargers designed specifically for smartwatches. The only difference between those and the Apple Watch is that Apple's charger magnetically latches onto the watch. They said the purpose of it was so you could charge it half awake in the dark, so I'm guessing the fit doesn't have to be very exact at all. Of course in all the promo photos they're going to show it perfectly aligned.
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Old 09-11-14, 12:02 PM   #115
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I see absolutley no benefit to strapping this ugly thing to my wrist. So, no, I will not be buying.
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Old 09-11-14, 12:33 PM   #116
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I bet there'll be a lot of used Pebbles flooding the market soon. Could be a good time to grab one of those while the Apple Watch matures.
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Old 09-11-14, 12:49 PM   #117
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Ultimately I think there's going to be a disconnect. Some people will see this as an iPhone accessory, or as sracer called it, a digital assistant bracelet. Those people will consider it a good value I think (although most of them will likely go for the cheaper end of the spectrum, since they're interested in functionality over form). People who think of it as a watch first will be a harder sell, because as others have said, it has issues if you think of it as a watch first.

As for the wireless charging, I've seen plenty of watch-sized Qi chargers designed specifically for smartwatches. The only difference between those and the Apple Watch is that Apple's charger magnetically latches onto the watch. They said the purpose of it was so you could charge it half awake in the dark, so I'm guessing the fit doesn't have to be very exact at all. Of course in all the promo photos they're going to show it perfectly aligned.
I think that is a fair take. I think Apple was smart for making different versions for specific reasons. Yet 90% of the three are exactly the same. So cost in making them different is minimal but open to a wider market. Apple is a master at marketing. They know branding one as "sport" will get them in a very specific market. I'm mainly interested in the sport model. I've mentioned in the past that I think it would be a good idea to make different versions of iPhone, like a sport model.

I wish it would have looked more like a Nike Fuelband, but I do like the bigger screen.

I'm pretty excited about it.
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Old 09-11-14, 12:54 PM   #118
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Many watches have to be wound once a day.

To me the cheapest version is the most attractive looking, but I know nothing about fancy watches
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It can be yours for the low, low price of $32,263!

http://www.watchesonnet.com/blancpai...FRRhfgodz7UAVQ

And that's really not that expensive.

Apple's got a lot of leeway
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Old 09-11-14, 01:07 PM   #119
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All I know is that everyone who has ever seen me get a text on my Pebble reacts to it with almost disbelief. I think this thing is going to get all sorts of "that's so coooool" reactions from people.
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What do you consider "strangely"? And for the $350 price point, what other features would you expect?

As mentioned a decent GPS watch for running is in the $200-$300 range (and go up from there).
If you need to keep the phone with the watch, and the phone already has gps, then what is the point? Or do you not always need to keep the phone with you?
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Old 09-11-14, 02:41 PM   #121
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Strapped to your upper arm the phone is difficult if not impossible to see or change. I tried running with on forearm, but that was weird and cumbersome. As is running with an hand held strap.

This is a good solution. Could even keep phone in a running belt.

Many runners use an iPod + GPS watch and then carry their phone in a running belt for safety. And the cost of an iPod + GPS watch would be on the low end of what the aWatch would cost.
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Old 09-11-14, 02:53 PM   #122
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Interesting take from Wired,

http://www.wired.com/2014/09/apple-m...mbid=social_fb
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Many watches have to be wound once a day.

To me the cheapest version is the most attractive looking, but I know nothing about fancy watches
But they can also last multiple lifetimes and can be handed down. An Apple Watch...I'm going to say those won't have the same longevity.
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I'm not James Bond, nor do I care to wear a heavy, ugly rock on my wrist, so No, no sir, I will not be getting one. Methinks Apple made a blunder with this watch... demand just won't be there after the initial rabid fans get theirs.
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Old 09-11-14, 03:20 PM   #125
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Honestly, they're going to sell a fuckton of these things. And I think the 6 and 6+ will do especially well. People using the 4/4S are going to be shocked when they upgrade.
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