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Old 09-27-11, 11:32 AM   #1
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Firefox 7

Is out now:
http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/new/

This version is supposed to use significantly less memory:
http://betanews.com/2011/09/27/mozil...-7-get-it-now/
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The game-changing improvements in Firefox 7.0 surround its memory usage and optimization. Mozilla claims that Firefox 7 reduces memory usage by at least 20 percent, and as much as 50 per cent in some cases, while still delivering improved startup and page-loading times, as well as overall responsiveness.

Of equal importance is the fact the memory leak that has plagued earlier versions has finally been addressed with the Javascript garbage collector, which has been tweaked to run more frequently to free up memory no longer in use. It means the browser can now be left running for an extended period of time without quietly eating up more system resources in the background.

Better still, you’ll now be able to free up system memory simply by closing unwanted tabs as opposed to having to shut the browser down and restart it.

Meanwhile, due to business responses to its new rapid-release cycle for Firefox, Mozilla has proposed plans for Extended Support Release (ESR) versions of Firefox, starting with Firefox 8, which will be supported for 42 weeks. So businesses would only have to do a major version upgrade to Firefox a little more than once a year, while getting security updates in the interim.
http://www.computerworld.com/s/artic...or_enterprises
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/hardware/m...se-cycle/14931


Previous Firefox threads:
http://forum.dvdtalk.com/tech-talk/5...u-getting.html
http://forum.dvdtalk.com/tech-talk/5...refox-6-a.html
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Old 09-27-11, 11:45 AM   #2
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Re: Firefox 7

I may try this out. I was happy with Chrome when I first switched over, but the last few odd weeks I feel like it's been especially issue prone. Pages take a while to load, videos stutter, and scrolling pauses and then jumps. I'm on a Core 2 Duo 2.0 Mac, but surfing the internet shouldn't be that issue laden.
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Old 09-27-11, 12:29 PM   #3
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Re: Firefox 7

Also from the computerworld article:
Firefox 8 - November 8.
Firefox 9 - Dec 20.
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Firefox 13 - June 5, 2012.
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Old 09-27-11, 12:34 PM   #4
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Re: Firefox 7

How exactly is it using less memory? If there was a leak, that's one thing, but I don't want it to be transferring open tabs to disk instead of keeping them in RAM.
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Old 09-27-11, 12:57 PM   #5
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Re: Firefox 7

is it possible to install while leaving a previous version's installation intact?
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Old 09-27-11, 01:32 PM   #6
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Re: Firefox 7

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How exactly is it using less memory? If there was a leak, that's one thing, but I don't want it to be transferring open tabs to disk instead of keeping them in RAM.
Paging is always handled by the OS, and Firefox isn't messing with that.

The main improvement appears to be in the garbage collector, which frees up memory no longer in use by the program. This has been improved to free up more memory, and do it faster. Especially when closing a tab.

Also, there's likely other improvements to the code that allow it to perform the same tasks, but using less memory while doing so.
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Old 09-27-11, 01:44 PM   #7
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Re: Firefox 7

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is it possible to install while leaving a previous version's installation intact?
I've done this before in Windows, by installing the second version into a different directory (i.e. "Program Files\Mozilla Firefox 7" instead of just "Program Files\Mozilla Firefox ") You have to create separate profiles for them. You should also install an extension to show the version number in the toolbar.
http://support.mozilla.com/en-US/questions/798858

The Utilu Mozilla Firefox Collection automizes this process, allowing you to install Firefox 2 through Firefox 9 Nightly simultaneously:
http://www.addictivetips.com/windows...on-developers/
http://utilu.com/UtiluMFC/

That package still only has 7 beta, so it'll likely be updated in a few days to have 7 final.


Here's how to install multiple Firefoxes for OS X:
http://civicactions.com/blog/2011/ma...ox_on_mac_os_x


Finally, another option would be to use portable versions of Firefox:
http://allthingsmarked.com/2011/05/1...the-same-time/
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Old 09-27-11, 11:20 PM   #8
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Re: Firefox 7

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How exactly is it using less memory? If there was a leak, that's one thing, but I don't want it to be transferring open tabs to disk instead of keeping them in RAM.
It is the result of a concerted effort called MemShrink, designed to use memory more effeciently and reduce memory leaks.

http://blog.mozilla.com/nnethercote/...an-and-fast-2/

I dumped Firefox 3.6 for Chrome, because it would become dog slow with the number of tabs I would keep open. I might have to try it with 7 and see how it goes.
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Old 09-27-11, 11:27 PM   #9
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Re: Firefox 7

Very cool. Now instead of using 2 gigs of ram to keep 3 tabs open, it only takes 1.4!
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Old 09-28-11, 10:44 AM   #10
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Old 09-28-11, 11:06 AM   #11
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Re: Firefox 7

The address filter doesn't work properly anymore.
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Old 07-17-12, 11:16 AM   #12
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Re: Firefox 7

Firefox 14 out today. The changes and new versions just keep coming...

Works ok, first thing I noticed was that for HTTPS urls, they did away with the favicon on the left of the https url due to phishing concerns (but it's still there on the tab). I think it's fine, more simpler look. Padlock is still there.

There's also the new url autofill which I didn't really like, so turned that off.

14 also has the new plugins click to play (in about config), not enabled by default. I turned it on to see if it'd help speed up things. Not sure if it works well with the smaller flash elements.

I think they added the "speed dial" to the blank tab page. DOn't think I like it, not no biggie.
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Old 07-17-12, 11:30 AM   #13
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Re: Firefox 7

Here's an interesting recent article about Firefox's dropping market share:
http://www.zdnet.com/firefox-can-thi...ed-7000000624/

In it, former Mozilla developer Jono DiCarlo claims Firefox's rapid release schedule has "ruined" Firefox and "killed [its] reputation."
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"Ironically, by doing rapid releases poorly, we just made Firefox look like an inferior version of Chrome. And by pushing a never-ending stream of updates on people who didnít want them, we drove a lot of those people to Chrome; exactly what we were trying to prevent."
The Firefox userbase has fractured, since a lot of people disabled automatic updates due to extension compatibility issues.
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Old 07-17-12, 09:37 PM   #14
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Re: Firefox 7

I'm using 16 with no problems. I only run Adblock and Noscript (maybe a couple others) though.
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Old 07-18-12, 08:11 AM   #15
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Re: Firefox 7

I've never been a fan of Firefox, it's always been bloated and slow for me, but have to agree the rapid release schedule is doing them no favors. (I use Chrome as my main browser and switch to Firefox/IE when I hit one of those horribly programmed webpages.)

That said I've also never really been one to use the many add-ons.
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Old 07-18-12, 03:28 PM   #16
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Re: Firefox 7

Been having problem with the video and Youtube.A lot of lag and its not my internet connection.I tried disabling everything on add on but there is still a lag!Any solution?
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Old 07-18-12, 10:04 PM   #17
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Re: Firefox 7

There may be a problem with a plug-in like Flash, Quicktime, Foxit, Java, etc. Those are not disabled under safe mode (only add-ons aka extensions). Try updating the plug-ins.

Might even be the security software... firewall, host file, adblocking stuff. Many videos on youtube have ads before the actual video.


I'm now using Firefox 15 Beta 1. No problems so far. The click to play was good to have for some things like annoying porn pop-ups, but it made the Foxit Reader plug-in crash so it's disabled for now.
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Old 07-18-12, 11:47 PM   #18
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Been having problem with the video and Youtube.A lot of lag and its not my internet connection.I tried disabling everything on add on but there is still a lag!Any solution?
did you do a flash update right before?
one of the recent updates resulted in videos no longer working for me and I had to uninstall and go back a version
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Old 07-19-12, 05:26 AM   #19
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did you do a flash update right before?
one of the recent updates resulted in videos no longer working for me and I had to uninstall and go back a version
I had problems with the previous version of Flash and updated to the latest.Still got lag.
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17 just came out, lol
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Old 07-24-12, 05:34 AM   #21
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Re: Firefox 7

I really liked Firefox because it had some great add ons I used. Of late all Firefox does is freeze and crash along with several websites that never load correctly so I had to step away until they figure everything out.
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Old 07-24-12, 10:48 PM   #22
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Re: Firefox 7

Just noticed that Firefox has a HTML5/Javscript built-in PDF preview feature. Looks pretty decent, similar to Google's PDF view. It previews the PDF pages like images. Would be nice if they had a save PDF or print view (if you hit print, it won't print right, like it's still inside a webpage).
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Old 07-26-12, 01:27 PM   #23
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I really liked Firefox because it had some great add ons I used. Of late all Firefox does is freeze and crash along with several websites that never load correctly so I had to step away until they figure everything out.
I wasn't sure whether to start a "PC Browser Talk" thread or not; I'm just going with this one, since my purpose is to discuss what to do now that firefox has started sucking so bad.

Those of you who've had to dump firefox due to the constant freezing with flash and other issues... Did you go to Chrome? Back to IE?

I installed Chrome, but as far as I could tell there's no option to have a sidebar with my bookmarks. A bookmark bar up-top is great, and I use that too, but what if you've got hundreds of bookmarks organized by folders? Is there some good way to handle massive & organized bookmarks I'm missing?

Looks like I'm stuck going back to IE whatever, which I didn't think I'd ever do. How are other people dealing with firefox being in such a shitty place for the past year or so?
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Old 07-26-12, 01:52 PM   #24
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I installed Chrome, but as far as I could tell there's no option to have a sidebar with my bookmarks. A bookmark bar up-top is great, and I use that too, but what if you've got hundreds of bookmarks organized by folders? Is there some good way to handle massive & organized bookmarks I'm missing?
It looks like there's a lot of people begging Chrome for this type of support, I don't know why they haven't done it yet. The only thing I could find is this:

Create a new tab, and enter this address: chrome://bookmarks/#1

That will create a tab filled with your bookmarks in folder view. Then when you click on an actual bookmark from that tab, it should open up the bookmark in a separate tab. So as long as you keep that first tab open, you can quickly switch to it for your bookmarks. You could even make it your homepage, so it will always be there when you start Chrome.
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Old 07-26-12, 02:12 PM   #25
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Re: Firefox 7

I'll stick with Firefox for now, even though it tends to freeze up (Not Responding) and doesn't seem to like Youtube. I still like ABP+, NoScript, and a few other add-ons.

I don't know what they fuck they were thinking when they came up with this accelerated release schedule. It's done nothing but inconvenience users and destabilize their product.
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