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Old 01-08-10, 08:36 PM   #26
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Cool new feature for 2.0.1 users and later.

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Google has announced a new feature entitled “Near me now”. This new feature allows Android (2.0.1 and later) and iPhone users to search for results based on their GPS location. Google Mobile’s blog says the “Near me now” feature was designed to address two problems:

First, we wanted to make it fast and easy to find out more about a place in your immediate vicinity, whether you’re standing right in front of a business or if it’s just a short walk away.

Second, we wanted to make searching for popular categories of nearby places really simple.
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Old 01-08-10, 09:45 PM   #27
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Even if it's easier to develop for the iPhone, good luck getting your program approved on their marketplace.
over 1000 apps get approved every week and most of the horror stories from the last year were very different when you read the details. in almost every case Apple told the dev exactly what was wrong and the developer chose to ignore apple
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He's trolling both threads, trying to turn us against each other!

The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

or maybe i'm not a fanboy

i prefer the iphone for now but its about as stable as the san andreas fault
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Old 01-08-10, 10:58 PM   #29
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but then it makes the developer have to recode their apps from the iphone version.
They have to re-code anyway, since no other phones run iPhone OS.

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Apple pulled a nice one on everyone else. to compete with the cheapo phone market they have $49 iphones with no application install limit.
the $49 iPhones are refurbs. You can get a new G1 for $49:
http://www.amazon.com/T-Mobile-G1-Ph...dp/B001O0EHS6/

And iPhones have a limit of 180 visible icons on 11 screens. If you want more, you'll have to be prepared to search for them.

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why fracture your devices where they are all different and make developers' jobs harder? a lot will simply not spend the resources to code for every possible hardware combination of every android phone.
Developers have been coding for multiple hardware configurations for decades: it's called the PC. They've also been coding for multiple hardware and software platforms on mobile front for a while now. With Android, they can code for one core OS and have it run on several dozen different phones.

Google is developing Android with an eye towards making it easy to develop apps for multiple hardware configs. Take screen size for example:
http://mobiforge.com/designing/story...e-screen-sizes
In fact, Google's Android has already implemented a potentially interesting solution to the problem of pixels. The Android operating system is based on abstract 'dp' (density-independent pixel) units which are completely relative based on a 160 ppi screen density. This allows designers to specify fonts and a host of other interface elements in a relative manner with the knowledge that they will naturally adjust to suit the device.

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this is the one thing apple did right. make a device as simple to program for as possible...
...provided you're programing on a Mac. If you want to program for the iPhone on any other platform, you're SOL.
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Old 01-08-10, 11:15 PM   #30
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i have 2GB of apps on my iphone as of today.
The majority of the space must be used by games. Besides, it's not the size of the app that counts, it's what it can do that matters.

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the market is growing, but the iphone apps are considered to be better than the android versions.
This is debatable. Some apps have better iPhone versions than Android versions. However, considering the extra development time the iPhone has had, that's not surprising.

However, Android may have the edge on app usability. I don't know if the iPhone Pandora app looks nicer, but I know I couldn't run it in the background while doing something else on my iPhone, like I can with my G1.

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some of my games are in the 300MB range.
Yep, games are taking up that space.

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and the app store is growing as well. the number of apps grew by 25% in the last month or two. that's more than the entire Android market.
Both app stores have way more apps than any person could ever hope to use. Just because the iPhone has more app clones than Android doesn't mean their offerings are better.

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There was a study last year how the iphone has better monetazation of apps for developers and how piracy is more rampant on Android.
Can you cite that study?
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my opinion is that Android is more competition for RIM, Palm and Nokia than Apple
I don't see how, I think RIM is pretty solid in the enterprise market despite growing Apple improvements. Phones like the Nexus One and the Droid seem to be specifically targeting the iPhone more then Blackberry, with a lot of hype and fanfare around them and the Android name.

Palm really seems like the odd one out. My friend has the Pre and it seems pretty good, but only being on Sprint and the release of the Droid shortly after seemed to kill any momentum it could of had.

Personally, I'm probably aiming for a Android phone or the new Blackberry Pearl as my new personal phone sometime this year with T-Mobile.
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Pretty interesting rant from Boy Genius Report about the Android platform:

http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2010/...onal-thoughts/

The link above started out as a hands on review of the Nexus One, but then concluded with a "Personal Thoughts" section that went on and on about what was wrong about Android vs. iPhone or Blackberry. There are some criticisms made in the article that, as a current Droid owner, I sort of agree with. I like my Droid, but there are some things about it that I think could be a whole lot better, without having to root the phone.

I'm curious to know what people think of these points, without it devolving into a "fine...get an iPhone then!" temper tantrum. Is he way, way off the mark?

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I have issues with Android and Google’s approach to it. I think it’s an amazing concept — people holding hands, skipping down sugar-encrusted roads with pink ponies and colorful rainbows — but the execution falls flat in many ways if you’re a hardcore phone user, and Google has constantly missed the mark in almost every area.

Part of my main issue with Android, and this applies slightly less to HTC Sense UI handsets, is that there’s practically no human emotion with Google when it comes to technology. Everything is statistical and analytical. While you could argue that being this way is way superior to “feeling” and “emotion”– it might be 95% of the time — you still will almost always lose that charm and that amazing feeling of connecting to something. People would die for their iPhones, people would die for their BlackBerrys – and they feel like their lives are in there. People feel connected to their BlackBerrys. Some sleep with them next to their pillow. No one gives a crap about their Android phone, there’s zero emotional attachment. The closest example would be Palm’s webOS. A great concept, besides Apple’s iPhone OS, it’s the most polished, the most friendly, and the most human. Do you see that?

Hello. Fucking. Humans. If you’re going to use that line, at least have the sense to actually make it make sense. Plus, isn’t the point of all this technology to make everything feel more natural and more human? I mean, that’s why we have robotic dogs that learn (shout out to Just Blaze and I for having Sony AIBOs), that’s why our car remembers our personal settings when we enter the cockpit, that’s why our TiVos know exactly what program we want to watch. And yet, with everything moving forward in the technology space, Android continues to feel systematic and clinical.

Andy Rubin is brilliant. To this day, I still compare things to the Sidekick OS because it was so ahead of its time in every way, and it made sense. But Android still feels half baked even after two years. And you can’t prance around smiling without raising the bar. You can take your non-multi-touch device and shove it — it’s inexcusable.

There are so many fundamental issues with Android’s OS that still haven’t been addressed and it really makes my head spin. Uniformity is not a word you’ll find in Android’s dictionary. How about the fact that the application icons aren’t the same size. Uh, why? Since there’s no transparent padding around the icons — you know, something that might be smart — there’s no uniformity in the touch areas when you go to tap on an icon. The fact that the Clock and Camera icons have different touch areas than the Facebook and Email icons is mind blowing. It’s not like you’ll always end up not triggering a touch event if you go to hit the Camera icon instead of the Maps icon real fast, but more than once I’ve had touch events not register due to icons not being uniform in size or at least in touch. It’s a small, but very important point that really reflects how poorly Android is designed in some areas.

Other issues that I can’t live with day to day? How do I copy text from non-editable field like an email, webpage, or SMS, or even a 3rd party application? Oh, I can’t. Say what you want about the iPhone not having copy and paste for two years — a joke — it’s the single best implementation on the planet for a smartphone and Google’s approach is almost as bad as RIM’s with the Storm-series.

Android doesn’t make sense as a whole. It’s fragmented, poorly executed, the Android Market for apps is a mess, and developers still don’t care about it. There’s not one single good IM program that I could rely on day to day (I don’t use Google Talk), the browser is decent at best. It’s faster now, sure, there’s a 1GHz CPU under its ass, but it’s not intuitive, and there’s always erroneous touch events; when I want to hit something I hit another link, button or app by accident.

For a company that’s so smart, and makes so much sense, it’s unbelievable how little sense Android makes in most places. I just can’t see why you’d want to run Android over the iPhone OS? Multitasking? Ok, we’ll have that with iPhone 4.0. What else? App Store limitations? Come on. Plus there’s a chance iPhone 4.0 will be announced in literally weeks away (Apple will up their screen resolution on the iPhone to probably double, and have a new resolution for their “slate”) — you can be sure Apple is going to come out swinging. Android isn’t a game changer. It’s a decent OS, dreamed up by an incredibly smart man, with unlimited resources and unlimited access. That’s why even in Android 2.1, it’s so disheartening to see an operating system that I can’t use daily.

I apologize for comparing this to the iPhone so much, I really didn’t set out to. But I’ve used an iPhone every day of my life since it first came out in addition to every BlackBerry ever available simultaneously, and I actually had an open mind about the Nexus One possibly replacing my iPhone. I felt like maybe I wanted more “freedom” and “flexibility” and not have to deal with Apple’s ridiculous train of thought sometimes. I wasn’t too plugged into the Apple ecosystem. I already paid out the ass to upgrade my entire library to non-DRM status, I use Exchange and Gmail, both are supported on the Nexus One — nothing was really holding me back.

But in the end, I found that the lack of any meaningful applications for Android really made it a no go from the beginning. I’m talking about quality — re-read the word quality — applications, here. The best VNC and RDP applications on Android are a joke. There’s not a single enjoyable Twitter application, and any application that’s on Android that is available on the iPhone pales in comparison. If you can find an application on the Android platform that’s better than the iPhone counterpart, I’ll send you a BGR Ninja hat.

Seriously Google, you take no responsibility for the actual “experience” of this phone, yet you tout it as your tag line. Applications in Android Market don’t work for all devices. They have to be updated, they might not work with a new resolution, or all touch screen display — try using one of those NES/SNES emulators on the Nexus One — the comments and “reviews” on apps are worse than Sidekick user’s AIM screen names, there’s no authority and no accountability in Market, and outside of people that know what they’re doing, you’re basically leading the rest into a forest with wolves in the dark, while they’re bleeding and blindfolded. Why does the VNC application I bought and paid for crash on the Nexus One with a Java.IO error? Because your entire OS is fragmented, poorly driven, poorly policed, and because in typical Google fashion, you’re already on to the next thing before making this an absolutely flawless experience for users. What happened to ferociously making sure the absolute core applications in your package were 100% perfect before shipping? BlackBerry’s email application is flawless. Apple’s web browser is flawless. But there’s not a single application on Android that doesn’t have carbon spots in it. (Look it up)

Here’s another issue on why for the foreseeable future Android won’t be anything like what Apple or another company can offer: coders aren’t designers. It’s really as simple as that and anyone in the business will know exactly what I’m talking about. That’s why Apple’s entire developer ecosystem is different, because believe it or not, Apple’s developers are amazing designers that make beautiful things, and they happen to know how to code. That’s entirely different from someone who’s the best coder in the world and trying to create something that looks, works, and feels great. And so, this is my issue with Android and why you won’t see applications of iPhone-quality on Android aside from any SDK and programming hurdles.

If an app like Tweetie 2 existed on Android, I think the Android Market would literally crash, die, burn, and hang itself by how natural, beautiful, and thoughtful that application is. Now, multiply something like that 5,000 times and you’ll have an idea of why all this Android hype amounts to very little. We have the best Android device ever made in the history of the world, finally! Oh wait, Apple’s event is in 2 weeks and no one will remember this. Until Android 2.2 launches with a new device. Then I’ll write another review.
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Pretty interesting rant from Boy Genius Report about the Android platform:

http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2010/...onal-thoughts/

Part of my main issue with Android, and this applies slightly less to HTC Sense UI handsets, is that there’s practically no human emotion with Google when it comes to technology.
I don't understand this point at all. It seems like an entirely subjective interpretation of Google's motivations. However, with many Google developments, like Gmail and Wave, the motivations behind them seem to be to make interactions with humans easier and more intuitive. I don't think Android is any different.

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Hello. Fucking. Humans. If you’re going to use that line, at least have the sense to actually make it make sense
This is a criticism of Verizon's marketing of the DROID. It has nothing to do with Google or the Nexus One.

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Andy Rubin is brilliant. To this day, I still compare things to the Sidekick OS because it was so ahead of its time in every way, and it made sense. But Android still feels half baked even after two years.
The first Android phone was released in October 2008, a little over one year ago.

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You can take your non-multi-touch device and shove it — it’s inexcusable.
The lack of built-in multitouch support is a drawback, but is it really a dealbreaker? Blackberries don't have multitouch either, most don't have touch at all, and it doesn't seem to be hurting them too much.

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Uniformity is not a word you’ll find in Android’s dictionary. How about the fact that the application icons aren’t the same size. Uh, why? Since there’s no transparent padding around the icons — you know, something that might be smart — there’s no uniformity in the touch areas when you go to tap on an icon.
I think this is just plain incorrect. All my app icons are 1x1 and are arranged on a grid. I have a few widgets that are of different sizes, but they still fit on the grid, so there's transparent padding and uniformity. If you hold your finger down on an icon, you'll even see the transparent padding highlighted.

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Other issues that I can’t live with day to day? How do I copy text from non-editable field like an email, webpage, or SMS, or even a 3rd party application? Oh, I can’t.
You can. There's a "select text" option in the broswer menu. Or you can press and hold on an SMS message to get an option to copy the text. the built-in Gmail and Email apps don't have any copy features though. However, as he pointed out, it took Apple 2 years to implement copy-paste, and Android's only been out for 15 months.

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Android doesn’t make sense as a whole. It’s fragmented, poorly executed, the Android Market for apps is a mess, and developers still don’t care about it.
I'm not sure what he means by fragmented. Does he mean it's on multiple manufacturer's devices? Because that's kinda the point of Android. The Android Market I guess could be considered "a mess," but it seems to work well enough for me. As for developer's caring, that seems to be growing as the number of Android phones is increasing.

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There’s not one single good IM program that I could rely on day to day (I don’t use Google Talk)
Is this a problem? I don't personally use any IM on my phone, I have unlimited SMS and email. However, the IM program I do have looks decent enough, and being able to run it in the background seems like a nice feature.

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It’s faster now, sure, there’s a 1GHz CPU under its ass
This seems like a phone-specific comment, and not about the OS in general. I think the OS itself has been sped up over successive versions though, since 1.6 runs faster on a G1 than 1.5, etc.

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It’s not intuitive, and there’s always erroneous touch events; when I want to hit something I hit another link, button or app by accident.
"Intuitive" is a vague and subjective term. However, as far as touch events, my phone seems to work OK. I hardly ever hit the wrong item, and when I do I figure it's due to page design (such as a webpage having two tiny links next to each other, meaning I should zoom in for better control).

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I just can’t see why you’d want to run Android over the iPhone OS? Multitasking? Ok, we’ll have that with iPhone 4.0.
Multitasking is just a rumor for iPhone 4.0. So here he's comparing the current Android to a rumored feature for a future iPhone OS. Hey, I heard Android 3.0 will give everyone free handjobs. That makes Android better, right?

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What else? App Store limitations? Come on.
Probably not a concern to many. However, for those who want to run what they want, and for developers that want to be able to sell what they want, Android is a better platform.

As for "what else," a big thing would be cell provider. I would've loved an iPhone, but I picked a G1 because my family's on a T-Mobile plan. DROID is on Verizon.

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Plus there’s a chance iPhone 4.0 will be announced in literally weeks away....
Again, comparing to a currently non-existent future phone.

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[iPhone OS 4.0 is] a decent OS, dreamed up by an incredibly smart man, with unlimited resources and unlimited access.
Really? Both unlimited resources and access? No phone has that, or will ever, and certainly not an iPhone.

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That’s why even in Android 2.1, it’s so disheartening to see an operating system that I can’t use daily.
I use Android 1.6 daily. People used iPhone OS 1 daily. Both are solid OS that can be used daily. They may not have every feature ever, but they're certainly usable.

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I apologize for comparing this to the iPhone so much, I really didn’t set out to. But I’ve used an iPhone every day of my life since it first came out....
A little bias then, perhaps? But if he's used the iPhone since it first came out, then he should have a history with that OS and phone hardware to compare with the Android platform and phones. However, he's comparing current and future versions of the iPhone OS to an OS that's been out for less time, with a currently smaller market share.

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I found that the lack of any meaningful applications for Android really made it a no go from the beginning. I’m talking about quality — re-read the word quality — applications, here. The best VNC and RDP applications on Android are a joke. There’s not a single enjoyable Twitter application.
The iPhone app store has been around longer, so there's been longer development time for it, meaning better apps. If you care about the quality of certain apps right now, the iPhone probably has better versions. However, that's not likely to always stay the same.

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If you can find an application on the Android platform that’s better than the iPhone counterpart, I’ll send you a BGR Ninja hat.
Google Maps.

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Seriously Google, you take no responsibility for the actual “experience” of this phone, yet you tout it as your tag line.
I'm not sure what this means. Does google really take "no responsibility" as he claims? I mean, it's a Google branded phone (I'm assuming he's referring to the Nexus One).

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Applications in Android Market don’t work for all devices. They have to be updated, they might not work with a new resolution, or all touch screen display
Aside from "all touch" display, all this is true of the iPhone. iPhone apps may not work for past versions of the hardware/OS. They have to be updated. And they may not work with the iPhone 4.0's new resolution.

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The comments and “reviews” on apps are worse than Sidekick user’s AIM screen names
Are the comments and reviews on apps in the Apple Store better?

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There’s no authority and no accountability in Market
Some think the "no authority" is actually a good thing. As far as accountability though:
http://www.pocketgamer.co.uk/feature...how_to&c=12083
As we discussed in our comparison between the iPhone's App Store and the Android's Market, the Google system has one massive advantage over Apple's – a no quibbles 24 hour refund system.

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Why does the VNC application I bought and paid for crash on the Nexus One with a Java.IO error? Because your entire OS is fragmented, poorly driven, poorly policed, and because in typical Google fashion, you’re already on to the next thing before making this an absolutely flawless experience for users.
I don't understand this either: Google has been constantly updating Android, so they hadn't abandoned it. Will the author be blaming Apple when certain apps inevitably crash on iPhone OS 4.0?

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What happened to ferociously making sure the absolute core applications in your package were 100% perfect before shipping?
The author never stated any issues with the core applications, and I haven't heard of any. Unless he's referring to features instead of reliability. In that case, Google has always released products before they were finished in terms of features. Look at all the web apps they release to the public as betas. And Apple certainly didn't have "100% perfect" core apps when the iPhone first came out, and doesn't now.

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BlackBerry’s email application is flawless. Apple’s web browser is flawless.
Neither of these assertions are true.

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Here’s another issue on why for the foreseeable future Android won’t be anything like what Apple or another company can offer: coders aren’t designers. It’s really as simple as that and anyone in the business will know exactly what I’m talking about. That’s why Apple’s entire developer ecosystem is different, because believe it or not, Apple’s developers are amazing designers that make beautiful things.....
Blah, blah, blah. The author's basically giving Apple a handjob here. Didn't the author praise Android's designer Andrew Rubin at the beginning of the article. Now suddenly, neither Google, nor anyone else that develops apps for it, are developers, but just coders?

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If an app like Tweetie 2 existed on Android, I think the Android Market would literally crash, die, burn, and hang itself by how natural, beautiful, and thoughtful that application is.
I think the "2" in the title of that app belies this simple fact: it takes time to develop and refine a good app. Obviously a platform that had a head start in terms of app development will likely have better apps.

However, Tweetie hasn't had the perfect life on the iPhone. Tweetie 1.3 initially was rejected by the Apple Store because people swear on Twitter:
http://www.downloadsquad.com/2009/03...ring-on-twitt/

Also, there's already a Twitter App on Android that one reviewer thinks may be as good as Tweetie:
http://www.techzulu.com/will-seesmic...id-market.html

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Now, multiply something like that 5,000 times and you’ll have an idea of why all this Android hype amounts to very little.
I have no idea where he got this number, or what it means. Is he referring to there being 5,000 twitter apps on the iPhone?

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We have the best Android device ever made in the history of the world, finally! Oh wait, Apple’s event is in 2 weeks and no one will remember this.
Wow, he barely even tries to hide his Apple fanaticism with lines like this.

In short, I think there definitely issues with the Android platform, and specific phones in particular, but I don't think this article evenhandedly addressed any of them.

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well said. i was gonna say all that too, but you saved me some time.
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The majority of the space must be used by games. Besides, it's not the size of the app that counts, it's what it can do that matters.


This is debatable. Some apps have better iPhone versions than Android versions. However, considering the extra development time the iPhone has had, that's not surprising.

However, Android may have the edge on app usability. I don't know if the iPhone Pandora app looks nicer, but I know I couldn't run it in the background while doing something else on my iPhone, like I can with my G1.


Yep, games are taking up that space.


Both app stores have way more apps than any person could ever hope to use. Just because the iPhone has more app clones than Android doesn't mean their offerings are better.


Can you cite that study?
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles...d_at_2_4b.html

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE5AJ1EU20091120

gameloft did say they will look at android some more a few days after this article came out

http://www.cnbc.com/id/33721096/site/14081545

there was another one that followed a few apps that were available on iphone and android and the iphone versions made more money and had less refunds. Apple also changed their policy recently about in app purchasing to cut down on piracy and enable developers to make more money on applications

other than JOhn Carmack, Tapulous is making $1 million in revenue per month on their apps and Red Laser is about the same.
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Pretty interesting rant from Boy Genius Report about the Android platform:

http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2010/...onal-thoughts/

The link above started out as a hands on review of the Nexus One, but then concluded with a "Personal Thoughts" section that went on and on about what was wrong about Android vs. iPhone or Blackberry. There are some criticisms made in the article that, as a current Droid owner, I sort of agree with. I like my Droid, but there are some things about it that I think could be a whole lot better, without having to root the phone.

I'm curious to know what people think of these points, without it devolving into a "fine...get an iPhone then!" temper tantrum. Is he way, way off the mark?

Spoilered for quite long length (that's what she said):

Spoiler:
This is an add-on to the Google Nexus One review…

I have issues with Android and Google’s approach to it. I think it’s an amazing concept — people holding hands, skipping down sugar-encrusted roads with pink ponies and colorful rainbows — but the execution falls flat in many ways if you’re a hardcore phone user, and Google has constantly missed the mark in almost every area.

Part of my main issue with Android, and this applies slightly less to HTC Sense UI handsets, is that there’s practically no human emotion with Google when it comes to technology. Everything is statistical and analytical. While you could argue that being this way is way superior to “feeling” and “emotion”– it might be 95% of the time — you still will almost always lose that charm and that amazing feeling of connecting to something. People would die for their iPhones, people would die for their BlackBerrys – and they feel like their lives are in there. People feel connected to their BlackBerrys. Some sleep with them next to their pillow. No one gives a crap about their Android phone, there’s zero emotional attachment. The closest example would be Palm’s webOS. A great concept, besides Apple’s iPhone OS, it’s the most polished, the most friendly, and the most human. Do you see that?

Hello. Fucking. Humans. If you’re going to use that line, at least have the sense to actually make it make sense. Plus, isn’t the point of all this technology to make everything feel more natural and more human? I mean, that’s why we have robotic dogs that learn (shout out to Just Blaze and I for having Sony AIBOs), that’s why our car remembers our personal settings when we enter the cockpit, that’s why our TiVos know exactly what program we want to watch. And yet, with everything moving forward in the technology space, Android continues to feel systematic and clinical.

Andy Rubin is brilliant. To this day, I still compare things to the Sidekick OS because it was so ahead of its time in every way, and it made sense. But Android still feels half baked even after two years. And you can’t prance around smiling without raising the bar. You can take your non-multi-touch device and shove it — it’s inexcusable.

There are so many fundamental issues with Android’s OS that still haven’t been addressed and it really makes my head spin. Uniformity is not a word you’ll find in Android’s dictionary. How about the fact that the application icons aren’t the same size. Uh, why? Since there’s no transparent padding around the icons — you know, something that might be smart — there’s no uniformity in the touch areas when you go to tap on an icon. The fact that the Clock and Camera icons have different touch areas than the Facebook and Email icons is mind blowing. It’s not like you’ll always end up not triggering a touch event if you go to hit the Camera icon instead of the Maps icon real fast, but more than once I’ve had touch events not register due to icons not being uniform in size or at least in touch. It’s a small, but very important point that really reflects how poorly Android is designed in some areas.

Other issues that I can’t live with day to day? How do I copy text from non-editable field like an email, webpage, or SMS, or even a 3rd party application? Oh, I can’t. Say what you want about the iPhone not having copy and paste for two years — a joke — it’s the single best implementation on the planet for a smartphone and Google’s approach is almost as bad as RIM’s with the Storm-series.

Android doesn’t make sense as a whole. It’s fragmented, poorly executed, the Android Market for apps is a mess, and developers still don’t care about it. There’s not one single good IM program that I could rely on day to day (I don’t use Google Talk), the browser is decent at best. It’s faster now, sure, there’s a 1GHz CPU under its ass, but it’s not intuitive, and there’s always erroneous touch events; when I want to hit something I hit another link, button or app by accident.

For a company that’s so smart, and makes so much sense, it’s unbelievable how little sense Android makes in most places. I just can’t see why you’d want to run Android over the iPhone OS? Multitasking? Ok, we’ll have that with iPhone 4.0. What else? App Store limitations? Come on. Plus there’s a chance iPhone 4.0 will be announced in literally weeks away (Apple will up their screen resolution on the iPhone to probably double, and have a new resolution for their “slate”) — you can be sure Apple is going to come out swinging. Android isn’t a game changer. It’s a decent OS, dreamed up by an incredibly smart man, with unlimited resources and unlimited access. That’s why even in Android 2.1, it’s so disheartening to see an operating system that I can’t use daily.

I apologize for comparing this to the iPhone so much, I really didn’t set out to. But I’ve used an iPhone every day of my life since it first came out in addition to every BlackBerry ever available simultaneously, and I actually had an open mind about the Nexus One possibly replacing my iPhone. I felt like maybe I wanted more “freedom” and “flexibility” and not have to deal with Apple’s ridiculous train of thought sometimes. I wasn’t too plugged into the Apple ecosystem. I already paid out the ass to upgrade my entire library to non-DRM status, I use Exchange and Gmail, both are supported on the Nexus One — nothing was really holding me back.

But in the end, I found that the lack of any meaningful applications for Android really made it a no go from the beginning. I’m talking about quality — re-read the word quality — applications, here. The best VNC and RDP applications on Android are a joke. There’s not a single enjoyable Twitter application, and any application that’s on Android that is available on the iPhone pales in comparison. If you can find an application on the Android platform that’s better than the iPhone counterpart, I’ll send you a BGR Ninja hat.

Seriously Google, you take no responsibility for the actual “experience” of this phone, yet you tout it as your tag line. Applications in Android Market don’t work for all devices. They have to be updated, they might not work with a new resolution, or all touch screen display — try using one of those NES/SNES emulators on the Nexus One — the comments and “reviews” on apps are worse than Sidekick user’s AIM screen names, there’s no authority and no accountability in Market, and outside of people that know what they’re doing, you’re basically leading the rest into a forest with wolves in the dark, while they’re bleeding and blindfolded. Why does the VNC application I bought and paid for crash on the Nexus One with a Java.IO error? Because your entire OS is fragmented, poorly driven, poorly policed, and because in typical Google fashion, you’re already on to the next thing before making this an absolutely flawless experience for users. What happened to ferociously making sure the absolute core applications in your package were 100% perfect before shipping? BlackBerry’s email application is flawless. Apple’s web browser is flawless. But there’s not a single application on Android that doesn’t have carbon spots in it. (Look it up)

Here’s another issue on why for the foreseeable future Android won’t be anything like what Apple or another company can offer: coders aren’t designers. It’s really as simple as that and anyone in the business will know exactly what I’m talking about. That’s why Apple’s entire developer ecosystem is different, because believe it or not, Apple’s developers are amazing designers that make beautiful things, and they happen to know how to code. That’s entirely different from someone who’s the best coder in the world and trying to create something that looks, works, and feels great. And so, this is my issue with Android and why you won’t see applications of iPhone-quality on Android aside from any SDK and programming hurdles.

If an app like Tweetie 2 existed on Android, I think the Android Market would literally crash, die, burn, and hang itself by how natural, beautiful, and thoughtful that application is. Now, multiply something like that 5,000 times and you’ll have an idea of why all this Android hype amounts to very little. We have the best Android device ever made in the history of the world, finally! Oh wait, Apple’s event is in 2 weeks and no one will remember this. Until Android 2.2 launches with a new device. Then I’ll write another review.
he makes some valid points, but he's a known iphone fanboy

and the app store has some real crap
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I don't see how, I think RIM is pretty solid in the enterprise market despite growing Apple improvements. Phones like the Nexus One and the Droid seem to be specifically targeting the iPhone more then Blackberry, with a lot of hype and fanfare around them and the Android name.

Palm really seems like the odd one out. My friend has the Pre and it seems pretty good, but only being on Sprint and the release of the Droid shortly after seemed to kill any momentum it could of had.

Personally, I'm probably aiming for a Android phone or the new Blackberry Pearl as my new personal phone sometime this year with T-Mobile.
RIM is good in the enterprise but in the last few years they made a push to sell their phones as personal phones.

if i had to choose between Google, RIM or Palm for a phone then RIM would be my last choice. the phones suck compared to Palm and Google, the OS is old and showing it's age, the phones are overpriced compared to Palm and Google and RIM phones are paperweights when BIS has it's monthly crash since everything you do seems to flow through RIM's datacenters.

Palm is also releasing their phones on VZW and AT&T in the next few months
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Only the first article is actually a study, and only compares pay and free app downloads. In that regard, the iPhone does lead in terms of percentage of users who buy apps, and in in terms of how many they buy, and average spending.

However, the other two articles are just anecdotal "I've heard this..." about Android. And none of the articles compare piracy between the two.

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there was another [study] that followed a few apps that were available on iphone and android and the iphone versions made more money and had less refunds.
If the study size was as small as you imply, then I don't think the results are worthwhile.
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gameloft is a nice sized company that brings in $250 million in revenue a year or somewhere around that much selling mobile apps. if there was money to be made in Android, they would be all over it
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RIM is good in the enterprise but in the last few years they made a push to sell their phones as personal phones.

if i had to choose between Google, RIM or Palm for a phone then RIM would be my last choice. the phones suck compared to Palm and Google, the OS is old and showing it's age, the phones are overpriced compared to Palm and Google and RIM phones are paperweights when BIS has it's monthly crash since everything you do seems to flow through RIM's datacenters.

Palm is also releasing their phones on VZW and AT&T in the next few months
And they've done pretty decently with the consumer market ever since the Pearl came out. I'm still using the Pearl 8100, and their other lines seem to be fairly popular for non-business users still, despite other smartphones coming out. Android is certainly just as much competition for the iPhone then they are RIM. I don't see Palm ever gaining back the market they once had any time soon.
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gameloft is a nice sized company that brings in $250 million in revenue a year or somewhere around that much selling mobile apps. if there was money to be made in Android, they would be all over it
Which is why they are still developing games for Android:
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Google is probably paying them, just like Apple paid developers to jump start the app store
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And they've done pretty decently with the consumer market ever since the Pearl came out. I'm still using the Pearl 8100, and their other lines seem to be fairly popular for non-business users still, despite other smartphones coming out. Android is certainly just as much competition for the iPhone then they are RIM. I don't see Palm ever gaining back the market they once had any time soon.

in the last year RIM has had to resort to buy one get one free offers which have resulted in a lot less activations than "sales" and their installed base has been flat. I think Apple just passed them in sales growth or sales per quarter. forget which metric
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in the last year RIM has had to resort to buy one get one free offers which have resulted in a lot less activations than "sales" and their installed base has been flat. I think Apple just passed them in sales growth or sales per quarter. forget which metric
Even if their consumer market flattens, I think they'll still be solid enterprise wise. Android will certainly take away consumer sales from RIM, but I still don't see how it won't compete with the iPhone, no matter how often you keep bringing up your 2 year old liking it.
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i meant that i think Android is more of a threat to RIM and WinMo than Apple. Like Linux took marketshare away from Sun and other ^nix vendors. also helps that most iphone contracts are newer than for other phones except BB, Android and Palm

Big companies like P&G might not adopt the iphone since the management features are non-existent but i can see independent contractors adopting it along with smaller companies allowing their employees to use it for work. MS just has to improve ActiveSync.

there are already a ton of apps in the app store for lawyers, doctors, people in RE and all other kinds of professions where you might need access to data on the go. noticed there are a lot of apps that do nothing but provide access to huge and expensive proprietary databases

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Does anybody have a recommendation for an application killer?

I read a blog that recommended TasKiller, but when it looks like the latest update requires that you accept advertisement. I'm assuming there is an ad free alternative.
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Does anybody have a recommendation for an application killer?
The free Astro File Manager includes a task killer.

I first mentioned the app in this thread:
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I first mentioned the app in this thread:
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Thanks, I'll give it a try.
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I read a blog that recommended TasKiller, but when it looks like the latest update requires that you accept advertisement. I'm assuming there is an ad free alternative.
You really don't need one with Android.

As for that rant, I thought the iPhone was a great phone. But once I got a Droid, and saw all the stuff it could do, I was saying iPhone who?

Apple will make something better or attempt to. Then Google will follow suit. We're the winners here.
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Can someone explain how Google Voice works on android phones? I have a G1 and was wondering if when using gvoice it doesn't use my plan minutes. I don't have gvoice yet but it sounded good if it only uses the data plan part of the contract. I did read that it does work for free text messages.
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