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Old 08-12-09, 04:44 PM   #1
Jim Tavegia
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DVD-V hi bitrate PCM recording

I am an audio guy, so bear with me. So many formats...so little time.

I am wanting to do all of my new recording projects in hi bitrate PCM 24/96 on DVD-V if possible. I was told that audio DVD creator would, but I am reading that it is based on the "3" format of 24/48khz.

I do not what to do DVD-A as it appears to be dead and any effort dropped by Toshiba, plus I would like for my music projects to be playable on any DVD player. I can already record all my music at 24/96 pcm.

Is there any hope for this to happen? I don't even want to get into why Toshiba and Sony come out with great audio formats and then don't support them.

Thanks in advance,

Jim
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Old 08-13-09, 01:27 AM   #2
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Re: DVD-V hi bitrate PCM recording

What the heck is "DVD-V"? I've never heard of that before.
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Old 08-13-09, 08:43 AM   #3
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Re: DVD-V hi bitrate PCM recording

It is the standard video DVD. It is used to differentiate it from DVD-A and HD-DVD.


"Never let an authoring package encode non-AC3 audio. With few exceptions, the same rules for video apply to audio. Again, authoring applications were meant to author, not encode. The only exception I find acceptable is when using TMPGEnc DVD Author to convert VCD to DVD, it is easier to allow the program to convert the 44.1kHz MPEG Layer-II audio to 48kHz, for fear of losing audio sync. Although TMPGEnc is not the best audio encoder, in this situation, this is the lesser of two evils. If the program has a true AC3 encoder, like DVDit! PE or DVD Workshop AC3, then feel free to let it encode the AC3." Sourceforge

I do belive that there is a way to do just PCM rather than the 24/48 stgd AC3, and that is what I need to know how to do. DVD-A, as you know, requires a dedicated DVD-A player and i am trying to avoid a format that requires that (also like SACD).

The TASCAM DV RA-1000 looked interesting, until we found out it does not author in STD DSD format and can't even playback standard SACDs in 2 channel even.

This format stuff is frustrating, even for just regular consumers.

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Old 08-14-09, 12:06 AM   #4
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Re: DVD-V hi bitrate PCM recording

A google found a program called DVD2One that has an Audio Remaster option for creating a DVD-Video with a static image and PCM audio:

http://www.dvd2one.com/?loc=audioremaster

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=88505
http://www.cdr-zone.com/reviews/dvd_...ed_page_1.html

It appears the primary use is for ripping a CD and upsampling to 24/96 PCM on DVD, although I don't see why it can't take 24/96 as input and pass it through.

It has a trial version so that you can test if it will work for your needs:

http://www.hitsquad.com/smm/programs/DVD2one/
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Old 08-14-09, 12:18 AM   #5
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Re: DVD-V hi bitrate PCM recording

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Originally Posted by Jim Tavegia View Post
I was told that audio DVD creator would, but I am reading that it is based on the "3" format of 24/48khz.
BTW, where did you read this info?

From Audio DVD Creator's site:

http://www.audio-dvd-creator.com/
Import 96kHz/24bits WAV files, and keep the superb quality.
Also, this archived guide for the software suggests you should be able to master in 96/24:
http://web.archive.org/web/200711292...DVD_Creator/2/
Audio Format: Here you can select the audio encoding format:
* PCM (48 kHz/16 bit) = High quality, the total playing time is up to 6 hours.
* PCM (96 kHz/24 bit) = The best quality, total play time is only 2 hours.

This guide mentions it too:
http://audio-dvd-creator.com/guide.htm
Select the audio encoding format: PCM (48 kHz/16 bit) has high quality which is similar to Audio CDs, the total playing time is up to 6 hours. PCM (96 kHz/24 bit) has the best quality, but total play time is only 2 hours.
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Old 08-14-09, 10:13 AM   #6
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Re: DVD-V hi bitrate PCM recording

Jay,

Thanks for the great info. I was waiting to hear back from Audio DVD creator to see if that was indeed the case. I was hoping it was. 2 hours is plenty of recording time since that is way past the redbook standard.

Again, thanks and I will keep you posted here on how this all works out. I am hoping that I will be doing 2496 files very shortly. Who needs a dedicated player to do hirez? Hopefully, not any of us. I was hoping that Audio DVD creator WAS too good and was TRUE!

Thanks again,

Jim
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Old 08-14-09, 11:51 AM   #7
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Re: DVD-V hi bitrate PCM recording

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Who needs a dedicated player to do hirez? Hopefully, not any of us.
To be fair, DVD-Video is limited to only stereo PCM, while DVD-Audio can provide 5.1 PCM. DVD-Audio can also go up to 24/192 in stereo. SACD can also do 6 channels of surround.

I think the DVD Consortium shot themselves in the foot when they made DVD-V and DVD-A separate licenses. Imagine if every DVD-Video player could also play DVD-A. The license fees they would've lost from the handful of DVD-A players would've been more than made up with the volume of DVD-A discs sold.

At least the BDA appears to have learned from this mistake: I believe the BD-Audio standard is part of all BD-Video standards (technically called BD-ROM AV), so any BD player should be able to play BD-A.
http://www.emedialive.com/articles/r...leid=11397#iif

BD offers 6-channel PCM up to 24/192, and 8-channel PCM up to 24/96. So if BD takes off as a video format, it may become a major hi-res audio format.
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Old 08-16-09, 04:29 PM   #8
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Re: DVD-V hi bitrate PCM recording

Jay,

You are right about the licensing. Both DVD-A and SACD would have had a much better run if every DVD player played them regardless of cost. You would not have had the pirating of music, at least not as much IMHO.

It is a nutty business and an terrible busniess model that only audio can get away with. I just hope that Sony keeps SACD from dying. The smaller labels are sure making an effort.

BTW, I am only interested in 2 ch pcm, so this is going to work for me just fine.

Thanks,

Jim
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