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Old 09-20-12, 03:47 PM   #51
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Re: Amazon Blu-ray Discounts and Deals Thread #27

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The main reason Amazon is currently the "big dog" is because of their history of a lack of tax. All they do lately is match other retailers which would automatically illicit sales since the added savings in paying no sales tax. Now, with sales tax thrown in, there's less reason to order from them.
If that's true,then the B&M companies had a valid complaint in their quest to get sales tax applied to amazon orders.
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Old 09-21-12, 05:01 PM   #52
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Just bought $153.29 of DVDs at Amazon and they charged me $13.41 for CA sales tax!

I hate this rule but right now I am too busy to price compare but what are other options besides maybe Ebay for better deals and no sales tax?
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Old 09-21-12, 10:53 PM   #53
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^^ I'm wondering the same. Are there any other major online retailers people here use that have great prices and no sales tax?
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Old 09-22-12, 04:55 PM   #54
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Can you guys order from Amazon.ca which is Region one also?
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Old 09-22-12, 04:59 PM   #55
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I went to order a DVD in the Marketplace from a seller in Montana and there was a tax charge. So I deleted it and ordered the same title for a penny more from a seller in Minnesota and there was no tax charge. ??? Does Montana also charge tax? I thought Marketplace items were exempt?

I have another question: A credit card I rarely use is still billed to where my brother lives in Illinois. If I put that card in my Amazon account with the Illinois billing address would I still be charged tax for shipping to me in California? Would I have to create a separate Amazon account?
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Old 09-22-12, 05:42 PM   #56
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I went to order a DVD in the Marketplace from a seller in Montana and there was a tax charge. So I deleted it and ordered the same title for a penny more from a seller in Minnesota and there was no tax charge. ??? Does Montana also charge tax? I thought Marketplace items were exempt?

I have another question: A credit card I rarely use is still billed to where my brother lives in Illinois. If I put that card in my Amazon account with the Illinois billing address would I still be charged tax for shipping to me in California? Would I have to create a separate Amazon account?

Montana does not charge tax, but if Amazon is fulfilling the order and the facility is in a state where tax is collected then you'll get charged.
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I went to order a DVD in the Marketplace from a seller in Montana and there was a tax charge. So I deleted it and ordered the same title for a penny more from a seller in Minnesota and there was no tax charge. ??? Does Montana also charge tax? I thought Marketplace items were exempt?
Do you live in Montana? It might be a case where tax would need to be collected from a marketplace seller who is from the same state you reside in.
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Old 09-23-12, 01:09 AM   #58
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Re: Amazon sales tax discussion

I just ordered from two different Marketplace sellers and the estimated tax was zero. Both are fulfilled by Amazon, so I don't know where they're located.

I would imagine (and my recent orders seem to bear out) that an out of State seller wouldn't trigger the tax, but if the fulfillment center they're shipping from is in State then we might still be taxed?

I don't think Amazon's CA facilities are up yet, so I'm trying to order as much as I can afford from out of State marketplace sellers right now.
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Old 09-26-12, 08:54 PM   #59
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Re: Amazon sales tax discussion

My Amazon Prime Account just automatically renewed itself yesterday and guess what? They actually charged sales tax. It's not a huge deal because I've gotten my money's worth on it, but $79 sounds a little better than paying $85.16.
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Old 09-27-12, 12:57 AM   #60
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So, does that mean Amazon is now charging tax on SHIPPING as well? Amazon Prime is a shipping service, so they definitely should not be charging tax on that!

My days at Amazon are over, and my wallet is lighter already.
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Old 09-27-12, 02:53 PM   #61
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I'm not sure what state you are in, but in TX and some others, shipping is taxable.
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Old 09-28-12, 11:11 AM   #62
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Re: Amazon sales tax discussion

This article is a few weeks old, but interesting.

As tax-free sales go, Amazon looks to speed, convenience


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Amazon.com built its business for the digital age, but it's crossing over to the bricks-and-mortar world.

From self-serve pickup stations in 7-Eleven stores to grocery-delivery trucks rolling through Seattle neighborhoods, Amazon is expanding its physical footprint to make shopping online quicker and easier — if no longer tax-free.

Much of this expansion, in fact, appears driven by the diminishing tax advantages of keeping that footprint small. For years, Amazon carefully managed its physical presence to avoid triggering state requirements that it charge customers sales taxes.

Now, as Congress considers legislation that could bring an end to tax-free sales on the Internet, Amazon is going offline for ways to hook customers.

Amazon plans new distribution centers in California, Texas, New Jersey and elsewhere to be closer to major markets and deliver items the same day they're ordered.

It also is trying out new services that bridge the gap between e-commerce and bricks-and-mortar retailing, such as in-store lockers so that customers have another place besides work or home to pick up packages.

The world's largest Internet retailer even is rumored to be considering opening a first-ever Amazon store to sell e-readers and tablet computers.

"They're not quite a brick-and-click, but they're moving quickly in that direction," said Jonathan Johnson, president of Internet-only retailer Overstock.com, using a term to describe store chains that sell online.

Amazon's "business model has changed so that they have a physical presence in many more states than they used to."

Distribution speedup
Amazon has announced plans to open at least eight new U.S. distribution centers this year, adding to the 34 it operated at the end of 2011.

Analysts say it is laying the groundwork for a broad rollout of same-day delivery, a service it already offers in 10 major metro areas.

Amazon Chief Financial Officer Tom Szkutak told analysts in a July earnings call that the company had not figured out how to do same-day delivery "on a broad scale economically." But he suggested the build-out of Amazon's distribution network had contributed to lower shipping costs and faster deliveries.

"We're getting closer to customers," Szkutak said. "We have a lot of opportunity to improve that over time."

Analysts say an expansion of same-day delivery would take away one of the few remaining advantages traditional stores enjoy over Amazon: instant gratification.

"People now expect instant gratification as opposed to waiting several days for their item to arrive in the mail, and they don't want to pay Federal Express prices for it to come overnight," said Suresh Kotha, a business professor at the University of Washington.

Moving toward faster delivery also would offset the popularity of competing services that let customers buy online and pick up their purchases in stores, said Michael Harvey, chief operating officer for New York-based e-commerce solutions company CorraTech.

"If I'm working away in my office and I want something later that night, I could place my order on Amazon and have it waiting for me when I get home," Harvey said. "I don't need a retail store."

Same-day pickup
Same-day delivery raises the possibility that Amazon will become an even more formidable threat to traditional retailers. At the same time, though, its new locker pickup service suggests it sees a benefit in working with some bricks-and-mortar businesses.

The service, being tested in London, New York, Seattle, Silicon Valley and Washington, D.C., lets customers pick up orders at self-serve stations in 7-Eleven stores and other locations. Amazon pays a small monthly fee to cover utilities costs.

"It opens up some interesting collaboration possibilities between Amazon and physical retailers," Harvey said. "Certainly, 7-Eleven loves it because everyone who walks into one of its stores to pick up a package from Amazon is going to buy gum and a Slurpee."

But the main reason Amazon may be trying out in-store delivery is to solve the "last-mile problem," a reference to the final, costly leg of getting online orders into people's hands.

Amazon could entice customers to use the service by offering discounts or freebies, such as same-day delivery at no extra charge, Harvey said.

"It's much easier for Amazon to pull off same-day delivery if they're stuffing things into lockers rather than going up people's porches," he said.

Tax loophole closing
Amazon's physical expansion comes as more states try to levy sales taxes on online purchases.

The company long has benefited from a 1992 U.S. Supreme Court ruling that exempts Internet retailers from collecting sales taxes in states where they lack a physical presence.

One reason Amazon even started in Seattle 18 years ago is that founder and CEO Jeff Bezos did not want to tax online purchases in more populous states, such as New York or California.

Amazon later built distribution centers in less populous states and operated them under separate legal entities to avoid tax liability. But its days of doing that appear numbered.

Led by Walmart, traditional retailers mounted a campaign last year to end what they call Amazon's tax loophole, saying it gives the Internet giant an unfair price advantage of 5 to 10 percent over local merchants. State and local governments also came to see taxing online sales as a necessary revenue stream in a tough economy.

By 2014, Amazon will be required to collect sales taxes in 13 states representing half of the U.S. population.

This weekend, Pennsylvania became the seventh state to make Amazon charge for taxes, after Texas. California, the nation's most populous state, will add its name to the list on Sept. 15.

"Thriving" anyway
Amazon, long known to play it close to the vest, declined to make Paul Misener, its Washington, D.C.-based vice president for global public policy, available for an interview.

Instead, the company released a statement downplaying the effects of new tax requirements on its business, noting it already taxes online purchases in more than half of the places where it operates, including Europe.

"We are pleased to say we are thriving in those geographies because Amazon offers low prices, vast selection and fast delivery," it said.

The most noticeable downside of tax collection for Amazon likely will be lower sales of big-ticket items, such as TVs and appliances, said analyst Atul Bagga of Lazard Capital Markets.

In a recent survey, Bagga's firm found that a fifth of online shoppers who live in Texas plan to buy fewer big-ticket items from Amazon now that taxes are part of the equation. Still, he said, survey participants ranked "no sales tax" behind convenience, selection, customer service, and low prices and shipping fees as reasons to shop on Amazon.

He believes Amazon is better off moving past the tax issue to expand its distribution network. By making room for more products, he said, it can improve on its selection and delivery times.

E-fairness supporter
Perhaps it's no wonder that Amazon has split with its Internet peers to urge Congress to help states collect sales taxes from online purchases.

On Aug. 1, Steve Bercu, co-owner of BookPeople, an independent bookstore in Austin, Texas, joined Amazon's Misener at a hearing of the U.S. Senate Commerce Committee to support the Marketplace Fairness Act. The legislation would allow states to impose tax-collection requirements on businesses that generate more than $500,000 a year through online sales, even if they lack a local physical presence.

"Somehow, it seems cool that we're on the same side," Bercu recalls telling Misener as they took their seats next to each other.

But others are skeptical about the company's reasons for supporting federal e-fairness legislation.

Sen. Jim DeMint, R-S.C., suggested that Amazon's real aim is to ensure that if it no longer can enjoy a tax advantage, Internet-only sellers such as eBay and Overstock can't either.

"When you had no physical presence in other states, you tended to support the status quo," he said to Misener. "Now that you're going to have to pay taxes in all of these states where you have a physical presence, you want to come back and tax other companies that don't."

Reactions mixed
While store chains and mom-and-pops applaud the taxing of online sales as only fair, some wonder if they'll regret the moment when Amazon felt freed up to get more physical.

"There's an ambition at work here to ultimately displace a lot of physical stores," said e-commerce analyst Sucharita Mulpuru of Forrester Research in Cambridge, Mass.

But merchants say that's a chance they're willing to take. No matter how big Amazon might get, they say, they're eager to compete on a level tax field.

"If they're doing it by the rules, that's capitalism. I can't argue with it," said Hut Landon, executive director of the Northern California Independent Booksellers Association.

"We don't consider we beat Amazon by any stretch," he said. "They just got to the point where distribution was more important to them."
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Old 09-28-12, 11:28 AM   #63
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Same Day Service would be awesome.
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Old 09-28-12, 12:39 PM   #64
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I didn't get taxed on shipping when I bought something the day after the CA sales tax took effect. I was just surprised to get taxed on the yearly fee.
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Old 09-30-12, 11:22 AM   #65
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I'm used to paying Amazon tax, but would not be a fan of paying it on Prime as well
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Looks like the honeymoon is over in Arizona, too.

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Old 11-21-12, 02:41 AM   #67
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Old 11-24-12, 01:41 PM   #68
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Good for him.

In the end, I've spent thousands elsewhere since the BS Tax fees. They lost lots of business from me that Target has now gained.
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Old 11-24-12, 03:48 PM   #69
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^ Me too. It made me drop Prime and the fact that they add tax to shipping charge as well, makes amazon an even worse deal. So I only use amazon for really obscure stuff I can't find locally, otherwise, I'm going way more B&M these days than I did 2-4 years ago.
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Good for him.

In the end, I've spent thousands elsewhere since the BS Tax fees. They lost lots of business from me that Target has now gained.
I don't avoid Amazon to punish them for collecting tax. It's not their fault. But since then, if the price is the same I will just go to Best Buy or Target and grab the disc that day. I still place orders with Amazon and I'll buy discs to fill out my $25 minimum but Amazon is a secondary supplier for me now
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Old 11-24-12, 04:36 PM   #71
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I don't see what the big deal is about sales taxes. Yeah it was nice while it lasted that Amazon didn't charge taxes but I've moved on and won't complain about it.

I'm a Prime Member (I was charged tax on my $79 renewal so that did kind of suck) But, I do research on the prices and if I feel comfortable paying XXXX for it, I'll get it if it's in stock. At least I can count on Amazon carrying pretty much everything whereas Target doesn't carry much catalogue product and the prices of Newer products takes time to drop.

I don't always look for Five Finger discounts. Sometimes I'm content with 25% off MSRP if it's something I really like and want to support (Fringe TV series)
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Old 11-28-12, 04:35 PM   #72
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The Marketplace sellers get most of my Amazon business now because there is rarely any tax imposed. I am no longer the virtually unconditional fan of Amazon that I used to be. As the competition has dwindled, so have Amazon's deals. Ok, that's the American way, but now if I can bypass them I will.
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I do think an almost 10% hike is a pretty big difference. You folks who say "What's the big deal?" must really be loaded and / or not have used Amazon much in the past. I've stuck to Amazon marketplace sellers to get around the tax problem. Even so, my Amazon spending has decreased by around 75% compared to a year ago.
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The people here who complain about the sales tax they pay are the same ones bellyaching about the loss of many of the services these taxes pay for in your state. Get over it. Sales tax helps states pay for infrastructure and the maintenance of it.
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The people here who complain about the sales tax they pay are the same ones bellyaching about the loss of many of the services these taxes pay for in your state. Get over it. Sales tax helps states pay for infrastructure and the maintenance of it.
Right. All I see is my tax money turning into free handouts for lazy people.
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