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Old 02-07-17, 02:55 PM   #51
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i absolutely hate the college rule. As was already mentioned, it almost completely removes special teams and field position from the equation. It also removes the possibility/need for big downfield plays. Just way too gimmicky for my tastes.
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Old 02-07-17, 03:05 PM   #52
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I grew up playing high school football where the overtime rules were exactly the same as college, only you start from the 10 yard line instead of the 25. This was before there was any overtime in college football. At least it is better than that
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Old 02-07-17, 03:09 PM   #53
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I don't care for how the current NFL rules differentiate between field goals and touchdowns. They either need to go back to true sudden death, or the the opponent should get a possession regardless of whether a field goal or a touchdown is scored. I think a 10 minute non-sudden death overtime period would be the best way to handle it, but I understand the reasons why the league might not want to do that.

I absolutely hate the college rule. As was already mentioned, it almost completely removes special teams and field position from the equation. It also removes the possibility/need for big downfield plays. Just way too gimmicky for my tastes.
I agree with this post. Sudden death overtime is bullshit especially in the playoffs. Teams should at least get a chance to answer a score. In overtime, each team should get at least one possession. If the first team scores a field goal, the second team needs to score a field goal to tie or a touchdown to win. If the first team scores a TD the second needs to score a TD to tie. If it is tied still after the first possession for each team, do it again.

And the NHL currently does have sudden death overtime.
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Old 02-07-17, 03:15 PM   #54
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For the life of me, I don't know why college doesn't move the ball back to the 50 at the start of OT. That seems fair (in the context of regulation, everybody would agree that the 50 constitutes great starting field position) and would require at least a smidgen of offensive prowess before attempting a Field Goal.
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For the life of me, I don't know why college doesn't move the ball back to the 50 at the start of OT. That seems fair (in the context of regulation, everybody would agree that the 50 constitutes great starting field position) and would require at least a smidgen of offensive prowess before attempting a Field Goal.
As a non watcher of College football and an occasional watcher of pro ball, am I correct in saying that they place the ball on the opponents 25 yard line to start? And teams are allowed to kick field goals without advancing the ball any?

One point I wanted to add is another rule that bothers me a little bit. The forward progress rule. I never really understood why the offense was allowed to push their ball carrier forward to gain yardage, but the defense could not push the ball carrier back to lose yardage. If the ball carrier is still "up" to gain yardage, he should be able to lose yardage as well.
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For the life of me, I don't know why college doesn't move the ball back to the 50 at the start of OT. That seems fair (in the context of regulation, everybody would agree that the 50 constitutes great starting field position) and would require at least a smidgen of offensive prowess before attempting a Field Goal.
If their system has to remain, it would be far better if it started at the opponents (35 or 30). Even making them start on the 50 means a team only has to advance a dozen or so yards to make it possible for a good kicker to have a shot.
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Old 02-07-17, 03:49 PM   #57
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They should do something silly like an NHL shootout. Maybe a modified kick off where there's only 3 people on the field for both teams, or 1 on 1 (+Qb) Hail Mary attempts from the 40.
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As a non watcher of College football and an occasional watcher of pro ball, am I correct in saying that they place the ball on the opponents 25 yard line to start? And teams are allowed to kick field goals without advancing the ball any?
Yup, though after two or three "Overtime Periods", they have to score TDs and go for 2 point conversions to make it more challenging and hopefully break the tie.

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If their system has to remain, it would be far better if it started at the opponents (35 or 30). Even making them start on the 50 means a team only has to advance a dozen or so yards to make it possible for a good kicker to have a shot.
You forget about the alternating possessions. If you start at the opponent's 30, you could go over 15 minutes without ever scoring a FG.
Starting at the 50 is way better than starting at your own 25, but still allows the team with the ball to have a fighting chance of scoring on the possession.
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For the life of me, I don't know why college doesn't move the ball back to the 50 at the start of OT. That seems fair (in the context of regulation, everybody would agree that the 50 constitutes great starting field position) and would require at least a smidgen of offensive prowess before attempting a Field Goal.
I don't either. And the thing about college OT (which is beyond hokey) compared to NFL is that it simply shifts the advantage to the team getting the ball 2nd (which is why the team that wins the toss always chooses to play D first), so they know exactly what they need and if they need a TD, they can play 4-down mode.

One intriguing OT idea I've heard of before is that the team that wins the toss gets to pick a yard line to place the ball. Then the other team gets to choose whether to play offense or defense from that spot....sudden death.
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You forget about the alternating possessions. If you start at the opponent's 30, you could go over 15 minutes without ever scoring a FG.
Starting at the 50 is way better than starting at your own 25, but still allows the team with the ball to have a fighting chance of scoring on the possession.
I see you point about not scoring. Maybe the 50 would be a good starting point to see if it results in teams not getting a FG on each possession. But if results in most reams still getting a FG on each try, I think I'm back where I was before. Shouldn't be a gimme like it is today.
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One intriguing OT idea I've heard of before is that the team that wins the toss gets to pick a yard line to place the ball. Then the other team gets to choose whether to play offense or defense from that spot....sudden death.
A interesting idea. Adds a little gamesmanship into the end if the game, which is never a bad thing. I could possibly go for that over both the current college and NFL systems.
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Yup, though after two or three "Overtime Periods", they have to score TDs and go for 2 point conversions to make it more challenging and hopefully break the tie.
Starting with the 3rd overtime, they have to go for 2 if they score a TD, but they can still kick field goals if they choose.
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In high school, when we played with the same rules from the 10, you would also always go on defense first if you won the toss, and if we were able to keep the other team from scoring any points, we would just kick a field goal on first down (not all high school teams had reliable kickers though).
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