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View Poll Results: Who will win Super Bowl LI?
Predicting the Patriots and rooting for the Patriots 13 26.00%
Predicting the Patriots but rooting for the Falcons 19 38.00%
Predicting the Patriots but don't care who wins 3 6.00%
Predicting the Falcons and rooting for the Falcons 13 26.00%
Predicting the Falcons but rooting for the Patriots 1 2.00%
Predicting the Falcons but don't care who wins 1 2.00%
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Old 02-07-17, 09:54 AM   #376
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Re: 2016 NFL Playoffs Thread - Super Bowl LI, February 5, 2017

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The QB that Tom Brady reminds me of more than anyone else is Danny White. White was a very, very good QB who had several great performances. But he took over at a time when the Cowboys defense (and offensive line) was aging and their GM started missing on the rookies in the draft. If he had the 1978 Cowboys line-up (at the ages they were in 1978) in 1980-1982 they may have three-peated (at least won one Super Bowl) and he'd be in the Hall of Fame. He was more than good enough to win multiple Super Bowls, but the team around him wasn't. Is that his fault? Of course not.of the all time best, if not THE best.

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Well, I see him moping on the sidlines and pouting when things aren't going well. You NEVER saw Roger Staubach do that, no matter how bad things were going. You didn't see Dan Fouts do that either - he got angry and tried to rally his team no matter how far down they were!

I'd have a much easier time with someone saying Peyton Manning was the best ever since he did have the physical tools and was an unbelievable team leader and coach on the field, and for a long time he was one of the most accurate QB's in the league with a very strong arm.
I was a huge Cowboys fan in those days, loved Danny White, but that's a ridiculous comparison. And I'm stunned that you can tell what kind of leader Brady is by determining that he was moping and pouting. You must have some amazing intel and know things about him that have never been said in public.

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While I won't go to these same lengths, I do have to wonder how the michigan Alum would be viewed if a few plays out of his control went the other way. If he loses the "tuck rule" game, as he should have, if the Seahawks don't incredibly stupidly throw the ball instead of running it in, and if the Atlanta running back doesn't completely whiff on a block/Edelman catch Brady would have three less Super Bowl wins. Even if you give him the Giants amazing win, that is still two less. Would he be the unquestioned greatest still?

The point is, pointing to the playoff record as proof is silly given the razor thin margins being dealt with.
Coulda woulda shoulda, you can do that with almost any player in any sport. That's the way sports works. And sure, it's razor thin playoff margins, but still, they fall in his favor more than anyone else. And the regular season is the same way, you could flip a few plays and voila, everyone's stats are different!

As for the regular season, well, he's in the top 3 or 4 in almost every career stat there is.
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Old 02-07-17, 09:57 AM   #377
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One thing I haven't seen mentioned is that Belichick almost cost the Pats the game by deciding to go for the onside kick in the 3rd qtr. It ended up giving the Falcons outstanding field position and if they hadn't bailed out Belichick by completely screwing up that drive, Atlanta would've been able to kick a field goal that likely would have iced the game.
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Old 02-07-17, 10:18 AM   #378
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Glossed over? It's been discussed plenty since about Monday. They discussed how no team had ever come back from more than 10 points down. That any team that got down by 10 seemed to just pack it in. They also discussed just how points Dan Quinn defenses have given up in fourth quarters in Super Bowls. Sad, but true.
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Old 02-07-17, 10:44 AM   #379
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They also discussed just how points Dan Quinn defenses have given up in fourth quarters in Super Bowls. Sad, but true.
Harsh but true, and both times against Brady. One of the things that tipped me toward Brady as GOAT was the way he picked apart the Seahawks in that comeback win. I will say that the Seahawks had some big injuries along the way, and we've already discussed how the Falcons were gassed, so I don't think it's all on Quinn. But in the end, he's still the guy in charge.
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Old 02-07-17, 11:53 AM   #380
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Brady may be the most decorated QB in NFL history, but the fact that he hasn't broken out of local endorsements/commercials says something about his popularity.
I'm not sure where you're getting this. The Shields MRI commercial was (to my knowledge) the first local commercial that Brady has ever done. Brady has national endorsements with Tag Heur, Under Armour and Uggs, among others. He tends to limit his endorsements to products he actually likes/uses, so he's never going to be out there selling pizza. He also lead the league in merchandise sales this year, so to say that his popularity is local only is pretty inaccurate.
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Old 02-07-17, 12:40 PM   #382
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Brady may be the most decorated QB in NFL history, but the fact that he hasn't broken out of local endorsements/commercials says something about his popularity.
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But Belichick has had success with other QB's in New England. Drew Bledsoe, Matt Cassel, Jimmy Garoppolo - there isn't much difference in the Patriots' results without Brady in the lineup. There is a slight dropoff, but it's still a playoff team and fairly legit Super Bowl contender without him.
I'm not sure what success Belichick ever had with Drew Bledsoe. His record with Bledsoe starting was 5-13. Cassel went 11-5, but that was a 5 win drop-off from the year before and they didn't beat a single good team, which is why they didn't make the playoffs. And Garoppolo played 1.5 games. Let's not go crazy. If it were truly about Belichick's system, why haven't they cut Brady and let the far cheaper Garoppolo be the starter? Furthermore, if Belichick's system was so incredible so as to not even matter who plays quarterback, then why doesn't any other team run his system?
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Old 02-07-17, 01:28 PM   #384
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Re: 2016 NFL Playoffs Thread - Super Bowl LI, February 5, 2017

Patriots buses just drove by our work on way back to Foxboro from the parade with their police escort. Pretty much the whole floor got up and stood by the windows while they drove past. On to 2017-2018!
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Old 02-07-17, 11:48 PM   #385
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Re: 2016 NFL Playoffs Thread - Super Bowl LI, February 5, 2017


Food prices at the Super Bowl

And you thought movie food prices was a rip off?
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Old 02-08-17, 12:14 AM   #387
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Re: 2016 NFL Playoffs Thread - Super Bowl LI, February 5, 2017

Not surprising, though, considering how much they jack up prices for a regular game.

And I would eat that burger stak.
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Old 02-08-17, 07:46 AM   #388
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Re: 2016 NFL Playoffs Thread - Super Bowl LI, February 5, 2017

Sound FX SB LI tonight 8PM on the NFL network. These are always great.
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Re: 2016 NFL Playoffs Thread - Super Bowl LI, February 5, 2017

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Shouldn't we be ranting the most?
Yeah, nothing is quite as hopeless as a new Lions season.
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Yeah, nothing is quite as hopeless as a new Lions season.
But I give credit to the Lions for making the playoffs without Megatron and with a clown car at running back. I kept hoping the ex-Husky Dwayne Washington would seize the job but he never did, for health or talent reasons.
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Old 02-08-17, 09:11 PM   #391
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Re: 2016 NFL Playoffs Thread - Super Bowl LI, February 5, 2017

Manning was blown out by the same defense that Brady overcame a 10 point deficit in the following SB. Sorry, Manning can never be considered as good as Brady if you put any weight on playoffs and championship.
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I'm not sure where you're getting this. The Shields MRI commercial was (to my knowledge) the first local commercial that Brady has ever done. Brady has national endorsements with Tag Heur, Under Armour and Uggs, among others. He tends to limit his endorsements to products he actually likes/uses, so he's never going to be out there selling pizza. He also lead the league in merchandise sales this year, so to say that his popularity is local only is pretty inaccurate.
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http://wearefanatics.com/top-50-best...s-2016-season/

1.) Ezekiel Elliott
2.) Dak Prescott
3.) Tom Brady

I forgot about all those Tag Huer, Under Armor, and Uggs commercials airing non-stop. My bad.
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http://wearefanatics.com/top-50-best...s-2016-season/

1.) Ezekiel Elliott
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3.) Tom Brady
Jerseys don't represent all merchandies.

http://view.ceros.com/nflpa/top-50-p...ist-17-q-3/p/1

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I forgot about all those Tag Huer, Under Armor, and Uggs commercials airing non-stop. My bad.
Now you're just moving the goal posts. You said he hasn't broken out of local commercials when the truth is he'd never done one before now. And whether or not any of those companies mentioned above have tv ads going non-stop doesn't change the fact that he is more of less the primary spokesperson for many national brands. The dude is selective about what he endorses and turns down way more than he ever does.
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Re: 2016 NFL Playoffs Thread - Super Bowl LI, February 5, 2017

Jersey sales always seem skewed to me anyway, because they favor the newer players who haven't had jerseys available before.
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I was a huge Cowboys fan in those days, loved Danny White, but that's a ridiculous comparison. And I'm stunned that you can tell what kind of leader Brady is by determining that he was moping and pouting. You must have some amazing intel and know things about him that have never been said in public.
You're being generous. It's an absurd comparison. I saw Danny White. Fine QB and on a great team around him but come on (it's not like the Eagles/Niners/Skins were so much better than them in those 3 years). If someone wants to compare the Brady early years to that, whatever. Those Pats teams were built around D and a solid QB. I can maybe buy that. But the last 10 years? The whole Brady is a "system QB" is so stupid at this point. He is the system on the offensive side. Someone said earlier -- between the ears. That's where Brady beats you....at the line. Not with physical skills. He's going to beat you basically w/in a second of the snap. That's why the D gameplan has always been get in his face fast. When ATL went to zone they were doomed.

I say if you're going to call Brady a "system QB" as some kind of insult, then do it for Montana too. Then again, I always rated Marino ahead of Montana.
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Everybody wants to blame the Falcons offense but nobody wants to blame their D and playing 93 snaps on defense.
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Jerseys don't represent all merchandies.

http://view.ceros.com/nflpa/top-50-p...ist-17-q-3/p/1



Now you're just moving the goal posts. You said he hasn't broken out of local commercials when the truth is he'd never done one before now. And whether or not any of those companies mentioned above have tv ads going non-stop doesn't change the fact that he is more of less the primary spokesperson for many national brands. The dude is selective about what he endorses and turns down way more than he ever does.
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Jersey sales always seem skewed to me anyway, because they favor the newer players who haven't had jerseys available before.
Agreed on the jersey sales david777 ... At one point Carson Wentz was the best seller.

Rocket, you are somewhat correct. I thought he did a commercial for a local mattress store, but it was actually Beautyrest. However he had done commercials for that same healthcare facility before, so he has done local commercials before.

Edit: deleted sarcastic comments. I'll just leave it where it is.
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Old 02-11-17, 07:27 AM   #398
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I guess if you include the version of the same Shield commercial without the tag, then sure, he's done them before.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/business...0SM/story.html

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