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Old 01-12-17, 08:34 PM   #101
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LA folk have already said they dont want them. I've been watching news all day on it and they are simply not wanted.
Spanos acts like he wasn't given a choice and that's bullshit. He wanted ONLY his way and never looked at any other options the city had. He did it 15 years ago and did it this time. It's well documented. He should have just said straight up I want to leave. Fuck all the bullshit he put the city and fans through. If this was his intentions all along, then he should have said so instead of having the city waste a shitload of money for no reason trying to please him.

I honestly dont know how to fully feel.
The team I love. The ownership I hate.
I'll probably follow up until the point River and or Gates retires. I just wont be fully invested as I have been. If they lose, no big deal to me now.
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Old 01-12-17, 08:47 PM   #102
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Ian Rapoport just tweeted that Lynn is hoping to keep Ken Whisenhunt as OC and hire Gus Bradley as DC
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Old 01-12-17, 08:48 PM   #103
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It does matter. How does it not? It's called integrity to your team and the fans that supported you even during ALL the losing seasons. But it just simply shows he gives 2-shits about any thing or any one. As long as his pockets are full of cash.
So he was acting like a businessman.
Newsflash: All business exist to make money - the most amount of money possible. They only "care" about their customers to ensure their customers are loyal to the product so they will continue to buy the product. Integrity has nothing to do with it.
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Old 01-12-17, 10:02 PM   #104
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Old 01-12-17, 11:02 PM   #105
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Raiders: Las Vegas stadium financing secure, with or without Adelson investment

By RICHARD N. VELOTTA
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Oakland Raiders executives have told the NFL that Goldman Sachs is committed to financing the team’s proposed domed stadium in Las Vegas with or without an investment from casino executive Sheldon Adelson, the Las Vegas Stadium Authority board learned Thursday.

Jeremy Aguero of Applied Analysis, the company serving as staff to the authority, on Thursday provided an update on the Raiders’ relocation efforts after consulting with team officials earlier in the day.

Aguero’s statement to the authority board provided a clearer picture of what the NFL’s stadium and finance committees were told by the Raiders at a Wednesday meeting in New York.

“The team’s presentation highlighted its research that the Las Vegas market can support the team, that bringing the NFL to the market aligns with the league’s strategic goals and that Goldman Sachs is committed to financing the project with or without a third party,” Aguero said.


“The Raiders told the committees that there is no deal in place yet with the Adelson family and that the team is pursuing approval with no third-party involvement,” Aguero said. “However, if an accord with the Adelson family is reached later, the team would bring that back for league approval.”

The Raiders and Adelson, the chairman and CEO of Las Vegas Sands Corp., are the private partners behind a planned $1.9 billion, 65,000-seat domed football stadium. The plan currently calls for $750 million in Clark County hotel room tax revenue, $650 million from the Adelson family and $500 million from the Raiders and the NFL to fund construction.

Las Vegas Sands executive Andy Abboud, a spokesman for the Adelson family, said late Thursday that talks are continuing.

“It’s a complicated negotiation and there are a lot of different details involved that we need to resolve,” Abboud said.

“It’s really a matter of coming up with something that works for the family, the Raiders and the NFL,” he said. “Talks are ongoing.”

Abboud said he could not elaborate on what issues are in dispute.

Aguero told the board no formal action was taken by the NFL committees, “but it is our understanding that the Raiders organization continues to gain positive momentum relative to the process of relocation.”

“The Raiders discussed with the NFL the process for filing its application for relocation. The team received support on the Las Vegas project both inside the committee room and publicly with positive comments coming from some owners,” Aguero said.

Tom Blanda, senior vice president of stadium development and operations for the Raiders, attended Thursday’s authority board meeting and said he was optimistic the matter would be resolved within a month.


“Right now, negotiations are proceeding and we’ll see if we come to an agreement with the Sands [Adelson] family. I’m not really sure who else we’ll talk to,” he said.

Blanda did not address the board.

“The Sands [Adelson] family has been gracious and has sat and negotiated with us from the get-go on this,” Blanda said. “We’ll see how things resolve themselves.”

Asked what issues were holding up an agreement, Blanda said he couldn’t discuss those details.

“It’s a legal negotiation and I don’t step into that,” he said.



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Old 01-12-17, 11:32 PM   #106
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Old 01-13-17, 12:26 AM   #107
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Why the fuck does it work both ways? It absolutely doesn't, nor does it have to. There are only 32 teams. It's not a two way street. You either pay or your don't. There's no equality. That's a pipe dream.

You can have all the respect you want for SD. And they can choose not to pay for a stadium. And now they don't have an NFL team.

The Padres only recently even got up to the middle of the pack in attendance. They were typically around 20th. The Padres paid only 1/3 of the costs for the stadium. And - uh oh - the Chargers proposed the same and then wanted the public to finance the rest and be repaid by hotel taxes (most likely not even to be incurred by SD residents!)

San Diego will never have pro football again and maybe that's what they want but it's what they deserve.
San Diego sports fans supported the Chargers for decades.

The stadium was always sold out during the Air Coryell years and during the 1992-1995 Stan Humphries/Natrone Means teams. The stadium was always packed, too, for the Philip Rivers led team that won several division championships in a row and made it to an AFC Championship Game. Over 70,000 people showed up at The Murph to welcome the Chargers home and celebrate when the Chargers beat the Steelers to make it to the Super Bowl.

The City was not soft in it's support of the Chargers - Until Dean made it clear that it was give me a new stadium or I'm taking my ball to Los Angeles! Even then, the attendance was excellent - until the team was run back into the ground and it was made clear that Dean intended to move the team to LA. It took a lot of bad PR moves on Dean's part over a 12 year span to turn San Diego apathetic towards the Chargers, but he managed to pull it off!

Notice that Dean isn't getting a new stadium of his own in Los Angeles, either. He'll be a tenant. And Kroenke is paying for his stadium himself, no public money.

Dean has been one of the worst owners in the NFL for the last 25 years (ever since his dad gave him the keys to the car). He chose Bobby Beathard over Bobby Ross, even when it was clear that Beathard didn't understand how the draft worked in the free agent era. He chose A.J. Smith over a 14-2 Marty Schottenheimer, and Smith went on to run the team into the ground. Dean approved the hiring of Kevin Gilbride as Head Coach (one of the worst head coaches ever) and the drafting of Ryan Leaf. Did Dean get anything right? And he wanted San Diego to finance his stadium for him?

I'd call Dean the new Art Modell, but Modell was a good, respected owner until he moved the Browns to Baltimore. Dean has never been good nor respected in his tenure as owner and President of the Chargers.
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Old 01-13-17, 12:32 AM   #108
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LA folk have already said they dont want them. I've been watching news all day on it and they are simply not wanted.
Spanos acts like he wasn't given a choice and that's bullshit. He wanted ONLY his way and never looked at any other options the city had. He did it 15 years ago and did it this time. It's well documented. He should have just said straight up I want to leave. Fuck all the bullshit he put the city and fans through. If this was his intentions all along, then he should have said so instead of having the city waste a shitload of money for no reason trying to please him.

I honestly dont know how to fully feel.
The team I love. The ownership I hate.
I'll probably follow up until the point River and or Gates retires. I just wont be fully invested as I have been. If they lose, no big deal to me now.
I know how to feel - Fuck the Chargers. I hope they go 0-16. Spanos can go to hell.

Look, he could have gotten a stadium deal a decade ago when the team was hot and constantly contending to go to the Super Bowl, but there was an 8 year span of time that coincided with that when all he did was wait for the city to propose something to him. He didn't give the city ANY kind of proposal or suggestion until last year.

Dean did literally EVERYTHING wrong from a PR standpoint. He never got out front and showed that he cared about the community, he never showed any humility or appreciation - and then he hired a legal attack dog to be his frontman (Mark Fabiani) and that attack dog proceeded to spend a decade pissing off the people and politicians in San Diego.

If there were a class in how to NOT get a major project done in a big city this case would be all they'd need for an entire semester. Spanos did everything wrong and then blamed everyone else.




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Old 01-13-17, 12:49 AM   #109
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Could one of you SD guys explain to me about what happened with the recent vote? One person here said very few people got to vote on the proposal and ESPN radio said the same thing -- that Spanos was rigging the vote to fail miserably. Who was and wasn't allowed to vote on this? Wasn't it all of San Diego county?

If only you guys lived in a crooked state like NV where the governor can call an emergency session of the Senate and House and push through 3/4 Billion dollars in public funding without any public vote and before anyone could organize any opposition.

Seriously though I hate that the Chargers are moving to LA and I feel awful for you guys -- though even without an NFL team in the county, there are still worse places to live.
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Old 01-13-17, 12:55 AM   #110
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Could one of you SD guys explain to me about what happened with the recent vote? One person here said very few people got to vote on the proposal and ESPN radio said the same thing -- that Spanos was rigging the vote to fail miserably. Who was and wasn't allowed to vote on this? Wasn't it all of San Diego county?
No, it wasn't San Diego county, only the city of San Diego that could vote on the stadium proposal. It also required a 2/3 majority to pass, and that was extremely unlikely (it ended up getting less than 50%). The ballot measure was shady to begin with. It was added late, and the signature gatherers were very deceptive, saying it was to "keep Comic-Con in San Diego" (which is pretty much the opposite, as a new downtown stadium would most likely halt any San Diego Convention Center expansion and probably spell the end of Comic-Con).
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Could one of you SD guys explain to me about what happened with the recent vote? One person here said very few people got to vote on the proposal and ESPN radio said the same thing -- that Spanos was rigging the vote to fail miserably. Who was and wasn't allowed to vote on this? Wasn't it all of San Diego county?
Nope. City residents only. And there was bad blood between the Mayor and Dean, so the Mayor didn't get on board until late, and his support was halfhearted. Dean seemed to do the best he could at all times to piss off as many people as possible, and he usually succeeded.

With the last 3 years turning out the way they did on the field, and with Spanos and his attack dog Fabiani doing everything they could to alienate the people of San Diego, and with the intent to move approved by the NFL last January this measure had no way of passing.

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Seriously though I hate that the Chargers are moving to LA and I feel awful for you guys -- though even without an NFL team in the county, there are still worse places to live.
There are few worse places to live if you're a sports fan. That wasn't always true, but over time San Diego became the most miserable sports city in the country.

And, truth be told, Dean Spanos and his family do not have the financial resources to own an NFL team. If he tried to buy the Chargers today the league would turn his application for ownership down because he doesn't have enough liquid assets to properly run & fund the team!

What we needed was a special order from the Governor ordering Spanos to sell the Chargers to San Diego investors who had enough money to properly run an NFL team...


(On the plus side - the Aztecs ended up ranked in the final Top 25 in football for the first time since 1977! 7 years in a row in Bowl games, and the last two were utter dismantlings of fairly good/respected teams. - It's not much, but it's all we've got! )
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Old 01-13-17, 01:13 AM   #112
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Eh, the last San Diego team to move to LA was my beloved Clips, who also are second class tenants in their own building.

It'll be a race to see which team, the Rams or the Chargers, can put a decent team with stars on the field, because even with the Rams history here, they aren't the Raiders. The Chargers at least have a decent offense (for the first three quarters and until Rivers retires).
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I feel for San Diego fans. The owners of the Sonics similarly ran the team into the ground in order to get people to not care, and they paid lip service to staying when everyone knew what the plan was from the beginning.
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LA Chargers just hired Bills OC Anthony Lynn as head coach

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I really doubt Shanahan wants the 49ers job. Looks like its McDaniels or bust.
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I feel for San Diego fans. The owners of the Sonics similarly ran the team into the ground in order to get people to not care, and they paid lip service to staying when everyone knew what the plan was from the beginning.
Exactly. It's why the whole "but the fans didn't support them" talk is often bogus. The Sonics (and the Chargers) got a shit ton of support until it was clear they were goners. Even when they were not one of the best teams in their league (but often they were).
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Exactly. It's why the whole "but the fans didn't support them" talk is often bogus. The Sonics (and the Chargers) got a shit ton of support until it was clear they were goners. Even when they were not one of the best teams in their league (but often they were).
People often complain these days about teams that tank in order to build up their team for the future. That's what the Sonics did--dump current assets for draft position, trade exceptions, etc. But they were doing it so they could get out of town, AND so they could be good IN ANOTHER CITY. Sure, they had to make good use of those assets, and they did, but it was just a debacle, and all so obvious.
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That's pretty much where I'm at right now.

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People often complain these days about teams that tank in order to build up their team for the future. That's what the Sonics did--dump current assets for draft position, trade exceptions, etc. But they were doing it so they could get out of town, AND so they could be good IN ANOTHER CITY. Sure, they had to make good use of those assets, and they did, but it was just a debacle, and all so obvious.
That was a master class in tanking and luck. I mean they managed to draft three of the top ten players (maybe top 5) in the league today.
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That was a master class in tanking and luck. I mean they managed to draft three of the top ten players (maybe top 5) in the league today.
Presti Magic! Was really sorry to see him go.
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Statement from Roger Goodell about the Chargers moving to LA.

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Raiders to file relocation papers to move from Oakland to Vegas.

Is the NFL ready for Las Vegas? It better be. The Raiders will file relocation papers to move from Oakland to Las Vegas, according to sources familiar with their thinking. After a year of planning, debate, and bold action, after many years of a sub-par stadium option in Oakland, the Raiders have made a firm decision on their future.

The stunning move, one that should be made official in the coming days, is expected to add a new city to the NFL's ever-changing landscape. The Raiders would need 24 votes from the league's owners to formally make the move, a vote that will come this spring.

The city of Oakland has made no progress to keep the team, sources say. It has not come up with a stadium proposal that league or independent sources believe is credible. At this point, it is only a matter of time before they officially leave. This decision comes on the heels of -- but not directly related to -- the Chargers' swift move from San Diego to Los Angeles.

NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell has said "if the (Raiders) decide that they can't make it work in Oakland and they decide that they want to file for relocation, then their window is from when they get eliminated from the playoffs to Feb. 15." They will file before that window closes. There are still questions, including whether or not the Raiders do the deal for the $1.9 billion Las Vegas Stadium project with the help of casino magnate Sheldon Adelson or not.

That was the original plan -- the Adelson family would contribute $650 million, the Raiders would contribute $500 million, and there would be $750 million in Clark County hotel room tax revenue. They have not yet come to terms. Earlier in December, the Raiders presented a plan to NFL owners to finance the stadium with the help from Goldman Sachs advisors. Either option would work.

'But the Raiders do hold the Adelson family in the highest regard for everything they've done to advance the project, and it would not be where it is without the family's help. The Raiders would acknowledge that.
When the Raiders officially file, the league and its owners will begin a process that should take several weeks. The membership just went through a similar process before the Rams moved to Los Angeles and this one will be familiar.

The filing would include a statement explaining the Raiders' decision, then potentially words from Goodell. There would be committee meetings to analyze the move from all sides, then a vote of all the owners. Between the analysis, vetting, and discussion, it's likely it would take about 4-6 weeks. That would set up a vote of the owners to send the Raiders to Vegas during the late-March league meetings in Arizona -- with 24 votes needing to pass. The other option would be to call a special league meeting, which doesn't appear likely.

As for the support from the room of owners, it's described as making progress and gathering momentum. There isn't nearly the opposition some anticipated'originally. And it continues to build, with some of'the most prominent'owners vocally in favor of it.

No sources would estimate a vote count, but it's headed in the right'direction. Raiders owner Mark Davis has said publicly that even if the team moves, he plans on playing for the next couple seasons in Oakland while his new stadium is built. After that, pending the vote from the owners, it's off to Vegas, baby. Vegas.

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Well, nothing is official yet, but I stopped by Target today and it looks like they're ready for relocation.

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NFL To Move All 32 Teams To Los Angeles
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NEW YORK—National Football League commissioner Paul Tagliabue announced Tuesday that, after over a decade without a football team, Los Angeles would become the home of all 32 NFL franchises by 2010.

"The league has met with Los Angeles city officials several times over the past few years in an attempt to bring a football team to the nation's second-largest market," Tagliabue said in a press conference held to unveil the NFL's realignment plan. "I'm happy to announce that we have finally reached a decision: Every single NFL team will be relocated to the Los Angeles metropolitan area over the next five years."

Tagliabue noted that Los Angeles, which has been without an NFL franchise of its own since the Raiders moved back to Oakland and the Rams went to St. Louis in 1995, had everything the league was looking for in a comprehensive host city: previous experience in hosting more than one team, proximity to the nerve center of the entertainment industry, a diverse fan base, and a climate ideally suited for playing the traditionally autumnal sport of football well into the inhospitable winter months.

"Los Angeles is a perfect football city," said Gene Washington, the NFL's director of football operations. "It's a mystery to me why no team has been able to make a go of it here during the modern era, when places like Pittsburgh and Green Bay enjoy rabid fan bases. Obviously, the solution that has always eluded us is to move the most popular teams here. I'm sure the die-hard followers of the Glendale Steelers and the Orange County Packers won't abandon their teams over a little thing like geography."

"Plus, the intricate L.A. highway system will cut team travel time by almost 25 percent," Washington added.

The National Football League and city officials have reached a preliminary deal on terms to bring all the teams back to the Los Angeles area. The current divisional alignment will be preserved, with teams from the NFC and AFC North divisions making their home in northern L.A., creating such teams as the Malibu Vikings and Venice Beach Browns. Teams in the Eastern divisions would become the Compton Cowboys and Florence Avenue Jets, and so on throughout the 4,100-square mile sprawl of Los Angeles County.

All teams will play their first few seasons of games in the Los Angeles Coliseum until 31 separate stadium referenda can be agreed upon by the city's taxpayers, after which the venerable facility will become the home of the Silver Lake Jaguars.

The reaction from fans and players alike has been mixed.

"This is certainly a bold move," said Alex Smith, rookie quarterback of the Beverly Hills 49ers. "I can't say I saw it coming. But I'll continue working hard for my team, my coach, and the 49ers fans—the greatest fans in the world, no matter where they wind up living when this whole thing is over with."

"Wait… What the hell?' said Albert Doherty, who has operated the Big Green Nest, a die-hard, fans-only Pasadena Eagles bar in the heart of downtown Philadelphia, since the early 1970s. "First McNabb goes down for the season, then I get told today that I've got to move my bar halfway across the country or lose my official Eagles designation. Is this true? Can they do this? Do we still get to play the Cowboys twice a year?"

"We're hoping that this announcement will put to rest any question of whether the league is considering the move of a team such as the troubled Minnesota Vikings or the currently homeless New Orleans Saints out to the West Coast," Tagliabue said. "Obviously, the answer is yes, we are—and every single other team in the league, as well."
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Josh McDaniels dropped out of the running for the 49ers job.

Looks like it's Kyle Shanahan or former Raiders coach Tom Cable as the top 2 guys.
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