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Old 08-30-10, 06:16 AM   #1
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MLB Monday August 30, 2010

Sunday, August 29, 2010
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Kansas City 6, at Cleveland 2Chen (9-7) Carmona (11-13) 19,725
Detroit 10, at Toronto 4Porcello (7-11) Rzepczynski (1-3) 26,624
at Cincinnati 7, Chicago Cubs 5Ondrusek (4-0) Marshall (6-5) Cordero (35) 30,809
at NY Mets 5, Houston 1Dickey (9-5) Norris (6-8) 32,779
at Atlanta 7, Florida 6Saito (2-3) Nunez (4-3) 38,170
at Washington 4, St. Louis 2Lannan (6-6) Wainwright (17-9) Storen (3) 24,782
NY Yankees 2, at Chicago White Sox 1Nova (1-0) Floyd (9-11) Rivera (27) 39,433
at Milwaukee 8, Pittsburgh 4Bush (7-11) Morton (1-10) Hoffman (8) 35,733
Oakland 8, at Texas 2Gonzalez (12-8) Lewis (9-11) 37,188
at Colorado 10, LA Dodgers 5Hammel (9-7) Lilly (8-9) 38,343
Baltimore 1, at LA Angels 0Guthrie (8-13) Weaver (11-10) Uehara (4) 38,232
Philadelphia 5, at San Diego 0Hamels (8-10) Richard (12-6) 30,528
at San Francisco 9, Arizona 7Affeldt (3-3) Vasquez (1-5) Wilson (36) 38,735
at Seattle 2, Minnesota 1French (3-4) Pavano (15-10) Aardsma (25) 28,923
at Tampa Bay 5, Boston 3Shields (13-11) Lackey (12-8) Soriano (39) 23,438
Monday, August 30, 2010
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Chicago White Sox at Cleveland7:05 PM Tickets | Travel | StadiumBuehrle vs Talbot
Oakland at NY Yankees7:05 PM Tickets | Travel | StadiumCahill vs Moseley
NY Mets at Atlanta7:10 PM Tickets | Travel | StadiumMisch vs Jurrjens
Milwaukee at Cincinnati7:10 PM Tickets | Travel | StadiumWolf vs Bailey
Washington at Florida7:10 PM Tickets | Travel | StadiumMarquis vs Sanabia
Toronto at Tampa Bay7:10 PM Tickets | Travel | StadiumCecil vs Davis
Pittsburgh at Chicago Cubs8:05 PM Tickets | Travel | StadiumMaholm vs Zambrano
St. Louis at Houston8:05 PM Tickets | Travel | StadiumWestbrook vs Happ
Texas at Kansas City8:10 PM Tickets | Travel | StadiumWilson vs Davies
San Diego at Arizona9:40 PM Tickets | Travel | StadiumLeBlanc vs Saunders
LA Angels at Seattle10:10 PM Tickets | Travel | StadiumSantana vs Pauley
Philadelphia at LA Dodgers10:10 PM Tickets | Travel | StadiumHalladay vs Kuroda
Colorado at San Francisco10:15 PM Tickets | Travel | StadiumDe La Rosa vs Sanchez
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Old 08-30-10, 06:17 AM   #2
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American League
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Tampa Bay8050.615-41-2539-25646501+145Won 26-4
NY Yankees8050.615-42-2238-28697534+163Won 26-4
Boston7457.5656.540-2634-31658593+65Lost 25-5
Toronto6862.5231235-2733-35604572+32Lost 15-5
Baltimore4883.36632.527-3821-45482666-184Won 36-4
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Minnesota7556.573-40-2235-34629528+101Lost 15-5
Chicago Sox7060.5384.538-2732-33616546+70Lost 25-5
Detroit6566.4961043-2522-41589602-13Won 17-3
Kansas City5575.42319.529-3326-42532686-154Won 14-6
Cleveland5377.40821.529-3624-41522631-109Lost 14-6
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Texas7357.562-43-2630-31630546+84Lost 26-4
Oakland6564.5047.538-2727-37523489+34Won 26-4
LA Angels6368.48110.534-3229-36574602-28Lost 33-7
Seattle5179.3922230-3421-45423559-136Won 14-6
National League
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Atlanta7555.577-46-1829-37615499+116Won 24-6
Philadelphia7357.562242-2631-31597526+71Won 35-5
Florida6564.5049.531-3134-33584559+25Lost 26-4
NY Mets6565.5001039-2526-40523507+16Won 15-5
Washington5675.42719.534-3122-44531608-77Won 24-6
CENTRALWLPCTGBHOMEROADRSRADIFFSTRKL10
Cincinnati7555.577-38-2737-28650563+87Won 16-4
St. Louis6959.539541-2328-36593498+95Lost 24-6
Milwaukee6268.4771333-3529-33620691-71Won 36-4
Houston5971.4541632-3327-38489598-109Lost 16-4
Chicago Cubs5576.42020.528-3827-38556648-92Lost 15-5
Pittsburgh4387.3313230-3613-51441697-256Lost 33-7
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San Diego7653.589-38-2638-27568448+120Lost 44-6
San Francisco7259.550540-2632-33585519+66Won 15-5
Colorado6861.527843-2125-40605564+41Won 26-4
LA Dodgers6764.5111039-2728-37571562+9Lost 26-4
Arizona5279.3972530-3622-43599710-111Lost 15-5
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Old 08-30-10, 09:25 AM   #3
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Can someone explain too me how Tampa has a MLB team? 23,000 for a Sunday night game against Boston. If I were MLB-I would move them to New Jersey after building a 40,000 seat new stadium. I'm sure they would attract more than flies. Another joke is giving the Florida Marlins a new stadium. Fan interest in Southern Florida is at an all-time low.
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Old 08-30-10, 09:38 AM   #4
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Can someone explain too me how Tampa has a MLB team? 23,000 for a Sunday night game against Boston. If I were MLB-I would move them to New Jersey after building a 40,000 seat new stadium. I'm sure they would attract more than flies. Another joke is giving the Florida Marlins a new stadium. Fan interest in Southern Florida is at an all-time low.
The Florida-experiment by Selig was a disaster. I still can't believe the Marlins got funding for a new stadium, as they will sell-out for one season, and then go back to 20,000 per game.

Also the whole business of the Pirates making a 20 million dollar profit pisses me off too. The Pirates are getting alot of money from the revenue sharing teams that go over the luxury tax (mainly the Yanks & Sox), and for them to keep selling off players and not trying to win, something has to be done. Maybe Selig needs to threaten them with Contraction the way he did with Minnesota a few years back as this team has been totally irrelevant since 1992.
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Old 08-30-10, 10:05 AM   #5
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Re: MLB Monday August 30, 2010

Part of me is wondering if the Manny deal would have been dropped if Minnesota had won yesterday. I guess I can hope the whole thing throws the Sox into a downward spiral.
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Old 08-30-10, 10:08 AM   #6
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The only way these teams would stop salary dumping would be to have rules where you would have to replace the salary dumped player with another player of equal value. The Orioles just had their first winning August since 1997, Unbelievable.
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Old 08-30-10, 10:41 AM   #7
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Can someone explain too me how Tampa has a MLB team? 23,000 for a Sunday night game against Boston. If I were MLB-I would move them to New Jersey after building a 40,000 seat new stadium. I'm sure they would attract more than flies. Another joke is giving the Florida Marlins a new stadium. Fan interest in Southern Florida is at an all-time low.
It's quite embarrassing when it's on national TV isn't it? You should see a Mon-Wed night game. If it's not the Yanks or Boston, there are maybe 12-15,000 there and this is a 1st place team, tied for the best record in baseball. Some of it has to do with the stadium being a dump, but the fans are just not interested in baseball down here. I thought they were diehard football here, but given the fact that the Bucs are going to have most of their games blacked out this year, I would have to conclude that they are fair weather fans at best and certainly not baseball fans.
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Old 08-30-10, 10:46 AM   #8
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I wouldn't want to go to a game there and have some chuckle-head bang on a cowbell in my ear.
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Old 08-30-10, 10:48 AM   #9
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It's quite embarrassing when it's on national TV isn't it? You should see a Mon-Wed night game. If it's not the Yanks or Boston, there are maybe 12-15,000 there and this is a 1st place team, tied for the best record in baseball. Some of it has to do with the stadium being a dump, but the fans are just not interested in baseball down here. I thought they were diehard football here, but given the fact that the Bucs are going to have most of their games blacked out this year, I would have to conclude that they are fair weather fans at best and certainly not baseball fans.
Another problem the Rays (and the Marlins as well) have is that the stadium is in an awful location. Way, way too far away from the city. I actually think that the presence of a downtown stadium for the Marlins will help a good deal in the long term, though only enough to get them into the low-mid 20s when it comes to attendance, instead of being at the bottom.
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Old 08-30-10, 10:49 AM   #10
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For this week and this week only, I am a Mets fan. It's painful to even say that. But it's in the Phillies' best interest!
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Another problem the Rays (and the Marlins as well) have is that the stadium is in an awful location. Way, way too far away from the city. I actually think that the presence of a downtown stadium for the Marlins will help a good deal in the long term, though only enough to get them into the low-mid 20s when it comes to attendance, instead of being at the bottom.
The retractable roof should help too especially if it can be air conditioned. I went to a few games in Miami in the middle of the summer. It's brutal out there in the heat and humidity.

For a hot weather city, I think Houston really got their stadium right. It's beautiful, natural grass and the roof can retract when the weather cools down.
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Old 08-30-10, 11:49 AM   #12
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Only the Indians had a smaller turnout yesterday than the Rays.
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Old 08-30-10, 12:08 PM   #13
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The retractable roof should help too especially if it can be air conditioned. I went to a few games in Miami in the middle of the summer. It's brutal out there in the heat and humidity.

For a hot weather city, I think Houston really got their stadium right. It's beautiful, natural grass and the roof can retract when the weather cools down.
I'm fairly sure the new stadium will be air conditioned.

The only time I go to games currently is if I feel like splurging for tickets in the club section. At least those are shaded and air conditioned, and you have the air conditioned concourse.
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For this week and this week only, I am a Mets fan. It's painful to even say that. But it's in the Phillies' best interest!
Tell me about it. The Braves are becoming tiresome now.
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It's quite embarrassing when it's on national TV isn't it? You should see a Mon-Wed night game. If it's not the Yanks or Boston, there are maybe 12-15,000 there and this is a 1st place team, tied for the best record in baseball. Some of it has to do with the stadium being a dump, but the fans are just not interested in baseball down here. I thought they were diehard football here, but given the fact that the Bucs are going to have most of their games blacked out this year, I would have to conclude that they are fair weather fans at best and certainly not baseball fans.
I don't necessarily think that the bold statement is true. Many, many fans in FL love baseball, but have too many options (whether it's spring training or low level minors). Why pay inflated prices to see an MLB game in a terrible stadium when you can pay a lot less to go see a game in a nicer, smaller venue. Also, FL baseball still has issues with divided allegiances given the number of teams having ST complexes in the area and the whole retirement community bringing in their fandom biases from home.

All that said, I think FL baseball can be successful with quality venues AND quality teams. The Marlin's experience over the next couple of years will be very telling.
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Old 08-30-10, 03:21 PM   #16
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I live in Orlando and go to Tampa for various sporting events several times a year.

It's just a lousy sports city. Sure, there are some knowledgeable fans, but as a whole it's the least educated, most obnoxious group of people I've ever sat near at sporting events, and that includes Rays games, Bucs games, and Lightning as well. And I grew up going to sporting events in the northeast, so I've seen some assholes in my day.

And even when they've been winning the last couple years, they have no following. I never see Rays jerseys or hats here, and we're 60 miles away.

Baseball shouldn't be there. Move the Rays to a city like Portland, Las Vegas, or an area like Northern New Jersey, and they'd draw far more fans.
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I don't necessarily think that the bold statement is true. Many, many fans in FL love baseball, but have too many options (whether it's spring training or low level minors). Why pay inflated prices to see an MLB game in a terrible stadium when you can pay a lot less to go see a game in a nicer, smaller venue. Also, FL baseball still has issues with divided allegiances given the number of teams having ST complexes in the area and the whole retirement community bringing in their fandom biases from home.

All that said, I think FL baseball can be successful with quality venues AND quality teams. The Marlin's experience over the next couple of years will be very telling.
I live 10 minutes from the Phillies AAA affiliate. I love going. But there is absolutely no comparison to going to a major league game to see a good team play.
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I live 10 minutes from the Phillies AAA affiliate. I love going. But there is absolutely no comparison to going to a major league game to see a good team play.
I have to agree with CRM there. I DO love going to minor league ball down here, BUT it's no comparison to MLB level play. And when I do go to games, there are maybe a couple of thousand at the game at most. Clearwater Phillies get a lot more than Dunedin Blue Jays or Tampa Yanks. The latter of the those teams getting about 500 a night, maybe. I don't think the presence of minor league ball is a significant factor in the lack of attendance. If people really want to to see MLB, they will go. They don't want to.

I do put some stock into the transplanted fan theory though. If you're a Mets/Phillies/Yanks/Boston transplant, why would you be interested in the Rays, especially with things like the MLB package on cable or satellite?
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Please show that you have some dignity and go out there and play some baseball like you really care.
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The Florida-experiment by Selig was a disaster. I still can't believe the Marlins got funding for a new stadium, as they will sell-out for one season, and then go back to 20,000 per game.
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Another problem the Rays (and the Marlins as well) have is that the stadium is in an awful location. Way, way too far away from the city. I actually think that the presence of a downtown stadium for the Marlins will help a good deal in the long term, though only enough to get them into the low-mid 20s when it comes to attendance, instead of being at the bottom.
Both teams get no love in S. FL.

The Marlins are stealing tax payer money, and the worst part is that no one will go to their new stadium!
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I do put some stock into the transplanted fan theory though. If you're a Mets/Phillies/Yanks/Boston transplant, why would you be interested in the Rays, especially with things like the MLB package on cable or satellite?
Yeah, I would put stock into this as well. I went to a Devil Rays game back in '05, before they were any good, and it was crazy to see how bad of a situation that team was in. Bad team, bad stadium, bad location; it's really a no-brainer as to why they still are not big attractions.

I do think that if they actually won a World Series, they'd get a big boost in attendance for a good amount of time. But they really should have a stadium that isn't on the outskirts. I remember going a bit past the turn when you get off the freeway and it looked like something out of the 1950's.
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I remember going a bit past the turn when you get off the freeway and it looked like something out of the 1950's.
Yeah well if you look at the population of St Pete, they enjoyed their prime in the 1950's. Bunch of geriatrics on fixed incomes.
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The Mets keep squandering opportunities....color me shocked.
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The Cardinals offense would be great if this were soccer.
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