Yankees vs. Phillies Official WS Thread (part II) - Page 6

Obey The D · 11-02-09, 11:55 PM

So is anyone other than Raven going to game 6? If so, we should all do a pre-game meet-up at one of the bars.

whotony · 11-03-09, 02:07 AM

610 wip is reporting that yahoo sports says Hamels and Myers had fight.

Myers saw Hamels at his locker after the game and said why are you here I thought you quit. Hamels responded with a profanity then a scuffle.

cardsfan111 · 11-03-09, 02:14 AM

^ They just talked about that on ESPN as well. You think other players might be upset as well, or is this just a fellow pitcher who probably would love the chance to be a starter again?

chrisih8u · 11-03-09, 02:31 AM

Good to know Myers is fighting men now.

chrisih8u · 11-03-09, 02:47 AM

Let's talk about the Phillies and their cheating ways.

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“There’s rumors going around that when you play the Phillies, there’s a camera somewhere or bullpen people are giving signs,” Bowa told ESPN 950. “And catchers are constantly changing signs. That’s the rumor. Now, is it proven? No.”

Bowa, a former Yankees coach and Phillies manager, went on to describe a center field camera the Phillies allegedly use when they’re at home to pick up signs and relay them to hitters.

“I’ve had three people come up to me and say, ‘Watch center field. They got a camera. Some guy stands up by the fence. If their arm’s up, it’s a breaking ball,’” Bowa said. “I watched. I didn’t see it. But other teams swear by it. So I’m sure the Yankees personnel said, ‘Hey, heads up, these guys like to give signs at second.’”

There have been whispers around baseball that the Phillies were stealing signs in the past, including against the Mets in 2007. But it is rare to hear someone currently working for a major-league team be so blunt in public the allegation.

http://www.nj.com/yankees/index.ssf/...ach_larry.html

I'm sure Arlen Spector will try to get to the bottom of this very soon.

Goat3001 · 11-03-09, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by chrisih8u

Good to know Myers is fighting men now.

Goat3001 · 11-03-09, 08:35 AM

I don't know how to feel about this short rest thing. CC pitched well. Not his best game but 6 1/3 and 3 runs is very good and a game that he should have won if the pen held up.

Burnett got tattooed but I'm not sure if we can blame is on the short rest. He's had 5 starts this post season and the only good ones came at home. The other two games on the road he got hit hard. It's just Burnett's inconsistent nature.

Pettitte admitted that he had "nothing" in game 3 but that was on extended rest. Pettitte is a gamer so hopefully he brings his A game tomorrow.

Either way, it's all about getting to Pedro. This is the second time the Yankees will have seen him this World Series and they've already done much better off of Lee this go around so maybe they'll be able to get to Pedro a bit more too.

Even if the Yankees were to lose tomorrow, I'd like to see them get to Pedro and force Manuel to use Happ for more than an inning. That way he won't start game 7 and the ball will go to Hamels who seems to be ready for spring training.

Man this has been a fun series. Lots of big hits from both sides. A few solid pitching performances. Utley and Howard are mowing down records. A-Rod is coming up huge when it matters. Now we have Pedro coming back to Yankee Stadium in a do or die situation against one of the best postseason pitchers ever.

Question: If we go 7 and Hamels gets knocked around and gets saddled with the loss... will he be a Phillie next season? I can't imagine the fans will really be on his side next year.

Have the idiots that they call Buck and McCarver mentioned that Howard has tied the World Series mark for strike outs?

cardsfan111 · 11-03-09, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Goat3001

Question: If we go 7 and Hamels gets knocked around and gets saddled with the loss... will he be a Phillie next season? I can't imagine the fans will really be on his side next year.

I'd be shocked if he wasn't in Philly. Even the fickle fans there won't have such a memory loss that they'll forget his performance in 2008 when it mattered most.

Brad Lidge is probably enjoying all this Hamels media attention. It's probably taken some of the heat off of him.

Goat3001 · 11-03-09, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by cardsfan111

^ They just talked about that on ESPN as well. You think other players might be upset as well, or is this just a fellow pitcher who probably would love the chance to be a starter again?

If game 3 of the World Series just finished and my teammate said "I can't wait for this season to be over", I'd be furious. I can't blame Myers for saying what he did and I'm willing to bet the majority of the team agrees with Myers.

I also think that Cole's statements are a bit overblown. Yes what he said was wrong but the guy just came off a loss so you can't take what he said at face value.

On the other hand, it's never good when teammates (one of which is your probable game 7 starter) are fighting in the clubhouse, let alone in the World Series.

Goat3001 · 11-03-09, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by cardsfan111

I'd be shocked if he wasn't in Philly. Even the fickle fans there won't have such a memory loss that they'll forget his performance in 2008 when it mattered most.

Brad Lidge is probably enjoying all this Hamels media attention. It's probably taken some of the heat off of him.

true and why do I get the feeling that this is all setting up for Hamels to pitch 8 shut out innings in Game 7 followed by a 1-2-3 save by Brad Lidge.

starman9000 · 11-03-09, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Goat3001

Have the idiots that they call Buck and McCarver mentioned that Howard has tied the World Series mark for strike outs?

Yeah, they said it right away.

Goat3001 · 11-03-09, 08:57 AM

^I was piss drunk so I must have missed it. I don't think they said anything leading up to it. McCarver also said that AL teams aren't as used to Cliff Lee as NL teams are, so they're still idiots.

starman9000 · 11-03-09, 09:16 AM

They mentioned it several times before hand too. I know it's hard to believe the media isn't out to get you guys

CRM114 · 11-03-09, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Goat3001

Question: If we go 7 and Hamels gets knocked around and gets saddled with the loss... will he be a Phillie next season? I can't imagine the fans will really be on his side next year.

If Hamels goes in a hypothetical game 7, he will get the hook as soon as he gets a base runner or gets into trouble. Manuel will use every pitcher in the pen. Maybe he'll even get Jamie Moyer out there.

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Originally Posted by Goat3001

Have the idiots that they call Buck and McCarver mentioned that Howard has tied the World Series mark for strike outs?

Yes. A couple of times. Are you implying those announcers are in the bag for the Phillies?

CRM114 · 11-03-09, 10:46 AM

whotony · 11-03-09, 10:47 AM

Hamels statement was overblown and out of context, he said several times right before that remark that he hopes to have a chance to redeem himself in a game 7.

he was asked about how he feels about his pitching performance this season and he said he felt it was bad and hoped it ends soon, but he was referring to more of looking forward to having a fresh start next season and he worded his answer very badly.

Plus the fight may not have actually happened.
2 philly beat reporters came on the radio and downplayed it as if it didn't happen.

That it was just standard ripping from player to player.
Myers did say I thought you quit but not in the sense of the previous answer to a question.
The players say this when the game is over and a player is still hanging around answering questions.
"quit" = left the stadium or stopped answering to reporters.

overblown by the yahoo blogger.

wildcatlh · 11-03-09, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by chrisih8u

Let's talk about the Phillies and their cheating ways.

http://www.nj.com/yankees/index.ssf/...ach_larry.html

I'm sure Arlen Spector will try to get to the bottom of this very soon.

What, the ramblings of an idiot who's still pissed that he got fired, and says "I didn't see anything, but it must be true!". Yeah, that's a lot of evidence.

wildcatlh · 11-03-09, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by CRM114

If Hamels goes in a hypothetical game 7, he will get the hook as soon as he gets a base runner or gets into trouble. Manuel will use every pitcher in the pen. Maybe he'll even get Jamie Moyer out there.

If this does get to 7, one of the things to look for is Cliff Lee coming out of the pen. It's 2 days after his last start, which would normally be his throw day. So he's likely good for 45-50 pitches on Thursday if it gets there and if he's needed.

Goat3001 · 11-03-09, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by CRM114

Yes. A couple of times. Are you implying those announcers are in the bag for the Phillies?

No. I'm implying that they didn't bring it up that often. Certainly not as much as they brought up Utley's home run's, A-Rod's RBI's and Jeter, Pettitte and Rivera's World Series numbers.

Goat3001 · 11-03-09, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by CRM114

If Hamels goes in a hypothetical game 7, he will get the hook as soon as he gets a base runner or gets into trouble. Manuel will use every pitcher in the pen. Maybe he'll even get Jamie Moyer out

The more I think about it the more I think they'll start Happ. Regardless of what Hamels said to the media and where his head may or may not be, I just don't think Chuck trusts him right now. Happ might be the better option. I just hope (and you don't hope) the Yankees smack Pedro around enough to force them to bring Happ in tomorrow and have Happ only available for relief work for game 7, forcing them to start Hamels.

Of course if Pedro gets hit hard, chances are they won't win anyway.

This series may go 7 and the Phillies may win but the Yankees need to take advantage of being in the driver's seat right now.

RoyalTea · 11-03-09, 12:24 PM

If the Yankees win the series, does Utley still take home WS MVP?

starman9000 · 11-03-09, 12:33 PM

I don't think so. I'd give it to Mo.

SonOfAStu · 11-03-09, 12:44 PM

Utley would be as deserving as anyone in history on the losing end (if they lose), but Rivera is just as deserving and would be on the winning team. No brainer to me.

cardsfan111 · 11-03-09, 12:49 PM

I've always hated the idea of a postseason MVP coming from a losing team...never made much sense to me. Then again, I've retained bitterness from Jeffrey Leonard in the 1987 NLCS.

starman9000 · 11-03-09, 01:44 PM

Does anyone give out a full post season MVP award? That'd be closer between A-Rod and Mo IMO, but with MO still deserving it. I'd be more willing to look at a guy from the losing team for an award like that, however.

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Obey The D DVD Talk Platinum Edition Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Northern NJ Posts: 3,627	Re: Yankees vs. Phillies Official WS Thread (part II) So is anyone other than Raven going to game 6? If so, we should all do a pre-game meet-up at one of the bars. __________________ Otterville Minister of Beer GamerTag: ntlbornkiller Last edited by Obey The D; 11-02-09 at 11:58 PM.

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whotony DVD Talk Limited Edition Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: earth ..."that's were i keep all my stuff" Posts: 6,769	Re: Yankees vs. Phillies Official WS Thread (part II) 610 wip is reporting that yahoo sports says Hamels and Myers had fight. Myers saw Hamels at his locker after the game and said why are you here I thought you quit. Hamels responded with a profanity then a scuffle. __________________ "When he hits that ball in the middle of the bat there on that sweet spot, there 's no park in the league that can hold his balls in." Gary Matthews "What's going to happen is that you jerk off the ball. You almost want to let this guy, here jam you and if it comes comes, it comes comes." http://www.prestonandsteve.com/audio/1342.mp3 My Countdown Counting down to: 9 years hard to believe.

11-03-09, 02:14 AM	#128
cardsfan111 DVD Talk Limited Edition Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Indiana Posts: 5,379	Re: Yankees vs. Phillies Official WS Thread (part II) ^ They just talked about that on ESPN as well. You think other players might be upset as well, or is this just a fellow pitcher who probably would love the chance to be a starter again? __________________ 2009 Horror Challenge List My Countdown Counting down to: DVD Talk Annual Horror Challenge The horror has begun!

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chrisih8u DVD Talk Legend Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: A few miles north of the Cape Posts: 17,106	Re: Yankees vs. Phillies Official WS Thread (part II) Good to know Myers is fighting men now.

11-03-09, 08:35 AM	#132
Goat3001 DVD Talk Hall of Fame Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 8,474	Re: Yankees vs. Phillies Official WS Thread (part II) I don't know how to feel about this short rest thing. CC pitched well. Not his best game but 6 1/3 and 3 runs is very good and a game that he should have won if the pen held up. Burnett got tattooed but I'm not sure if we can blame is on the short rest. He's had 5 starts this post season and the only good ones came at home. The other two games on the road he got hit hard. It's just Burnett's inconsistent nature. Pettitte admitted that he had "nothing" in game 3 but that was on extended rest. Pettitte is a gamer so hopefully he brings his A game tomorrow. Either way, it's all about getting to Pedro. This is the second time the Yankees will have seen him this World Series and they've already done much better off of Lee this go around so maybe they'll be able to get to Pedro a bit more too. Even if the Yankees were to lose tomorrow, I'd like to see them get to Pedro and force Manuel to use Happ for more than an inning. That way he won't start game 7 and the ball will go to Hamels who seems to be ready for spring training. Man this has been a fun series. Lots of big hits from both sides. A few solid pitching performances. Utley and Howard are mowing down records. A-Rod is coming up huge when it matters. Now we have Pedro coming back to Yankee Stadium in a do or die situation against one of the best postseason pitchers ever. Question: If we go 7 and Hamels gets knocked around and gets saddled with the loss... will he be a Phillie next season? I can't imagine the fans will really be on his side next year. Have the idiots that they call Buck and McCarver mentioned that Howard has tied the World Series mark for strike outs? __________________ My Countdown Counting down to: Lost: Final Season Premiere 80 days 7 hours 49 minutes Last edited by Goat3001; 11-03-09 at 08:42 AM.

11-03-09, 08:57 AM	#137
Goat3001 DVD Talk Hall of Fame Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 8,474	Re: Yankees vs. Phillies Official WS Thread (part II) ^I was piss drunk so I must have missed it. I don't think they said anything leading up to it. McCarver also said that AL teams aren't as used to Cliff Lee as NL teams are, so they're still idiots. __________________ My Countdown Counting down to: Lost: Final Season Premiere 80 days 7 hours 49 minutes

11-03-09, 09:16 AM	#138
starman9000 DVD Talk Hall of Fame Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: MN Posts: 9,581	Re: Yankees vs. Phillies Official WS Thread (part II) They mentioned it several times before hand too. I know it's hard to believe the media isn't out to get you guys

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CRM114 DVD Talk Legend Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Lehigh Valley Posts: 21,985	Re: Yankees vs. Phillies Official WS Thread (part II)

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whotony DVD Talk Limited Edition Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: earth ..."that's were i keep all my stuff" Posts: 6,769	Re: Yankees vs. Phillies Official WS Thread (part II) Hamels statement was overblown and out of context, he said several times right before that remark that he hopes to have a chance to redeem himself in a game 7. he was asked about how he feels about his pitching performance this season and he said he felt it was bad and hoped it ends soon, but he was referring to more of looking forward to having a fresh start next season and he worded his answer very badly. Plus the fight may not have actually happened. 2 philly beat reporters came on the radio and downplayed it as if it didn't happen. That it was just standard ripping from player to player. Myers did say I thought you quit but not in the sense of the previous answer to a question. The players say this when the game is over and a player is still hanging around answering questions. "quit" = left the stadium or stopped answering to reporters. overblown by the yahoo blogger. __________________ "When he hits that ball in the middle of the bat there on that sweet spot, there 's no park in the league that can hold his balls in." Gary Matthews "What's going to happen is that you jerk off the ball. You almost want to let this guy, here jam you and if it comes comes, it comes comes." http://www.prestonandsteve.com/audio/1342.mp3 My Countdown Counting down to: 9 years hard to believe.

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RoyalTea DVD Talk Limited Edition Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: frass canyon Posts: 7,200	Re: Yankees vs. Phillies Official WS Thread (part II) If the Yankees win the series, does Utley still take home WS MVP?

11-03-09, 12:33 PM	#147
starman9000 DVD Talk Hall of Fame Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: MN Posts: 9,581	Re: Yankees vs. Phillies Official WS Thread (part II) I don't think so. I'd give it to Mo.

11-03-09, 12:44 PM	#148
SonOfAStu DVD Talk Gold Edition Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Saint Paul Posts: 2,440	Re: Yankees vs. Phillies Official WS Thread (part II) Utley would be as deserving as anyone in history on the losing end (if they lose), but Rivera is just as deserving and would be on the winning team. No brainer to me.

11-03-09, 12:49 PM	#149
cardsfan111 DVD Talk Limited Edition Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Indiana Posts: 5,379	Re: Yankees vs. Phillies Official WS Thread (part II) I've always hated the idea of a postseason MVP coming from a losing team...never made much sense to me. Then again, I've retained bitterness from Jeffrey Leonard in the 1987 NLCS. __________________ 2009 Horror Challenge List My Countdown Counting down to: DVD Talk Annual Horror Challenge The horror has begun!

11-03-09, 01:44 PM	#150
starman9000 DVD Talk Hall of Fame Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: MN Posts: 9,581	Re: Yankees vs. Phillies Official WS Thread (part II) Does anyone give out a full post season MVP award? That'd be closer between A-Rod and Mo IMO, but with MO still deserving it. I'd be more willing to look at a guy from the losing team for an award like that, however.