MLB Monday July 6, 2009

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Sunday, July 5, 2009
RESULT	WIN	LOSS	SAVE	ATT.
Oakland 5, at Cleveland 2	Gonzalez (1-2)	Lee (4-8)	Bailey (9)	19,105
at NY Yankees 10, Toronto 8	Albaladejo (3-1)	Ryan (1-1)	Aceves (1)	46,320
St. Louis 10, at Cincinnati 1	Carpenter (6-3)	Arroyo (8-8)		24,017
at Florida 5, Pittsburgh 0	Nolasco (6-6)	Ohlendorf (7-7)		13,287
at Boston 8, Seattle 4	Masterson (3-2)	Batista (5-3)		37,691
at Washington 5, Atlanta 3	Olsen (2-4)	Lowe (7-7)	MacDougal (5)	22,677
at Philadelphia 2, NY Mets 0	Blanton (5-4)	Santana (9-7)	Lidge (16)	45,333
at Kansas City 6, Chicago Sox 3	Bannister (6-6)	Richard (3-2)	Soria (12)	15,915
at Minnesota 6, Detroit 2	Blackburn (7-4)	Porcello (8-6)		33,274
at Chicago Cubs 8, Milwaukee 2	Lilly (8-6)	Burns (1-2)		40,369
Arizona 4, at Colorado 3	Haren (8-5)	Jimenez (6-8)	Qualls (15)	27,547
at LA Angels 9, Baltimore 6	Oliver (3-0)	Albers (1-3)	Fuentes (24)	35,912
LA Dodgers 7, at San Diego 6	Weaver (5-2)	Mujica (2-4)		30,070
Houston 7, at San Francisco 1	Oswalt (5-4)	Johnson (8-6)		30,157
at Texas 5, Tampa Bay 2	Feldman (7-2)	Garza (6-6)	Francisco (14)	22,324

Monday, July 6, 2009
TEAMS	TIME (ET)	NAT TV	XM RADIO	RESOURCES	PITCHERS
Toronto at NY Yankees	1:05 PM		XM 176	Tickets | Travel | Stadium	Romero vs Pettitte
Kansas City at Detroit	7:05 PM		XM 175	Tickets | Travel | Stadium	Meche vs Galarraga
Atlanta at Chicago Cubs	7:05 PM		XM 184	Tickets | Travel | Stadium	Jurrjens vs Wells
Cincinnati at Philadelphia	7:05 PM		XM 183	Tickets | Travel | Stadium	Cueto vs Hamels
Oakland at Boston	7:10 PM		XM 177	Tickets | Travel | Stadium	Anderson vs Smoltz
Pittsburgh at Houston	8:05 PM		XM 185	Tickets | Travel | Stadium	Vasquez vs Hampton
Washington at Colorado	8:40 PM		XM 186	Tickets | Travel | Stadium	Stammen vs Marquis
San Diego at Arizona	9:40 PM		XM 187	Tickets | Travel | Stadium	Silva vs Garland
Texas at LA Angels	10:05 PM		XM 178	Tickets | Travel | Stadium	Millwood vs Weaver
Baltimore at Seattle	10:10 PM		XM 179	Tickets | Travel | Stadium	Bergesen vs Washburn
Florida at San Francisco	10:15 PM		XM 188	Tickets | Travel | Stadium	West vs Cain

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2009 American League - Standings
EAST	W	L	PCT	GB	HOME	ROAD	RS	RA	DIFF	STRK	L10
Boston	49	32	.605	-	26-12	23-20	427	351	+76	Won 1	5-5
NY Yankees	48	33	.593	1	26-15	22-18	451	390	+61	Won 3	9-1
Tampa Bay	44	39	.530	6	26-13	18-26	449	374	+75	Lost 4	6-4
Toronto	42	41	.506	8	25-18	17-23	411	376	+35	Lost 3	2-8
Baltimore	36	46	.439	13.5	24-20	12-26	383	447	-64	Lost 2	4-6
CENTRAL	W	L	PCT	GB	HOME	ROAD	RS	RA	DIFF	STRK	L10
Detroit	44	37	.543	-	23-11	21-26	385	369	+16	Lost 2	4-6
Minnesota	43	40	.518	2	26-16	17-24	397	364	+33	Won 2	7-3
Chicago Sox	42	40	.512	2.5	20-20	22-20	365	362	+3	Lost 2	7-3
Kansas City	35	46	.432	9	22-24	13-22	319	382	-63	Won 2	4-6
Cleveland	33	50	.398	12	19-25	14-25	427	456	-29	Lost 1	3-7
WEST	W	L	PCT	GB	HOME	ROAD	RS	RA	DIFF	STRK	L10
Texas	45	35	.563	-	28-17	17-18	399	365	+34	Won 5	7-3
LA Angels	45	35	.563	-	23-16	22-19	417	391	+26	Won 2	7-3
Seattle	42	39	.519	3.5	21-15	21-24	320	338	-18	Lost 1	6-4
Oakland	34	46	.425	11	19-21	15-25	335	380	-45	Won 1	3-7
2009 National League - Standings
EAST	W	L	PCT	GB	HOME	ROAD	RS	RA	DIFF	STRK	L10
Philadelphia	42	37	.532	-	16-22	26-15	407	388	+19	Won 3	5-5
Florida	43	40	.518	1	25-21	18-19	381	399	-18	Won 2	6-4
NY Mets	39	42	.481	4	22-17	17-25	355	375	-20	Lost 3	2-8
Atlanta	39	42	.481	4	21-21	18-21	344	354	-10	Lost 2	5-5
Washington	24	55	.304	18	15-26	9-29	340	441	-101	Won 2	4-6
CENTRAL	W	L	PCT	GB	HOME	ROAD	RS	RA	DIFF	STRK	L10
St. Louis	45	39	.536	-	24-20	21-19	372	352	+20	Won 1	5-5
Milwaukee	43	39	.524	1	22-18	21-21	387	380	+7	Lost 1	5-5
Chicago Cubs	40	39	.506	2.5	24-14	16-25	332	328	+4	Won 1	6-4
Cincinnati	40	40	.500	3	20-20	20-20	333	355	-22	Lost 1	6-4
Houston	39	41	.488	4	19-21	20-20	324	358	-34	Won 1	6-4
Pittsburgh	37	45	.451	7	22-17	15-28	356	357	-1	Lost 2	4-6
WEST	W	L	PCT	GB	HOME	ROAD	RS	RA	DIFF	STRK	L10
LA Dodgers	52	30	.634	-	28-13	24-17	398	313	+85	Won 1	5-5
San Francisco	44	37	.543	7.5	26-13	18-24	337	299	+38	Lost 1	5-5
Colorado	42	39	.519	9.5	18-17	24-22	407	376	+31	Lost 2	5-5
San Diego	35	46	.432	16.5	23-20	12-26	310	405	-95	Lost 1	4-6
Arizona	33	49	.402	19	15-28	18-21	358	401	-43	Won 2	3-7
Glossary
W: Wins, L: Losses, PCT: Winning percentage, GB: Games back, HOME: Home record, ROAD: Road record, RS: Runs scored, RA: Runs allowed, DIFF: Run differential, STRK: Current streak, L10: Last 10 games

[dvd-4-life]

When was the last time that 10 out of the 14 AL teams had winning records this late in the season? Also,when was the last time the Yankees played 4 straight day games at home against the same opponent?

[Mr. Cinema]

I have a couple of questions for any White Sox fans who've been to Cellular Field a few times.

I'm making a trip up there on the 17th and will be watching Friday and Saturday games against Baltimore. Buehrle is scheduled to pitch on the 17th. *fingers crossed* I guess that depends on how much he pitches at the All-Star game. Unfortunately, I found out that Contreras is scheduled for Saturday. Was hoping for Danks.

Anyways, I was wondering how easy it is to find good seats at the game. I figured it probably is since most only care about the Cubs. I am looking online and I see plenty of options. I wanted to sit in the Premium Lower Box area for Friday's game. Anyone know roughly how many rows there are in each of those sections? Most of what I see is rows 20-30. Just trying to see how far back that is. The prices I'm seeing for where I want to sit are around $60. Could I find those same seats at the day of the game for cheaper?

thanks!

[Goat3001]

Darn day games. I was looking forward to watching Ricky Romero pitch.

Bullpen has been taxed and Ace can use a few days off. Pettitte needs to go deep into the game.

As for finding a replacement for Wang. I hope they call someone up. They already said Hughes won't happen and Aceves can do it but he's needed in the bullpen. I'd rather they call up Sergio Mitre and give him a shot while they figure out how long Wang will be out. As long as Mitre can pitch like a #5 starter the Yankees will be ok.

[Obey The D]

Originally Posted by Goat3001

Darn day games. I was looking forward to watching Ricky Romero pitch.

Bullpen has been taxed and Ace can use a few days off. Pettitte needs to go deep into the game.

As for finding a replacement for Wang. I hope they call someone up. They already said Hughes won't happen and Aceves can do it but he's needed in the bullpen. I'd rather they call up Sergio Mitre and give him a shot while they figure out how long Wang will be out. As long as Mitre can pitch like a #5 starter the Yankees will be ok.

All I know is praise the lord and all things that are holy that Ian Kennedy isn't an option for them right now.

[Mad Dawg]

Smoltz with another rough night. It doesn't help when the offense is befuddled.

[KingSmoth]

The Braves get to lose in front of a larger TV audience tonight!

[raven56706]

HOLY CRAP... 22-1 Philly demolishing Cincinnati

[wirefan]

Apparently they changed the rules on stolen bases... Jeter gets called out because "the ball beat you there"... funny I thought that was only the rule on force outs Blown calls are going to happen, but how can a professional umpire just make something up? It seems like he saw the play correctly and just doesn't know the rules... or he knew he blew the call and made something up to cover his ass (and thought Jeter would somehow buy that explanation?) . Even the crew chief after the game all but threw the guy under the bus.

There were also several bad calls at 2nd... but at least that ump didn't make up new rules, he just missed the calls.

Still the Yanks blew a chance to move into a tie for first...umps certainly didn't help, but they could have hit better with runners on base.

[cardsfan111]

Originally Posted by raven56706

HOLY CRAP... 22-1 Philly demolishing Cincinnati

I listened to the first inning on the radio when the Phillies scored 10 runs. Commented to a friend who was with me that the game could get real ugly since it was likely that a position player would be on the mound late in the game. Turned out that way as infielder Paul Janish gave up 6 runs in the 8th.

[wirefan]

Originally Posted by dvd-4-life

Also,when was the last time the Yankees played 4 straight day games at home against the same opponent?

July 2003 (source ESPN)

[mgbfan]

Originally Posted by wirefan

Apparently they changed the rules on stolen bases... Jeter gets called out because "the ball beat you there.

If it makes you feel any better, the Yankees benifited from the same call a couple months ago vs. the Twins. I believe it was Cuddyer clearly getting in before the tag and the ump having the arm cocked back and ready to fire before the play was ever done.

Umpire error--it happens.

[wirefan]

Originally Posted by mgbfan

If it makes you feel any better, the Yankees benifited from the same call a couple months ago vs. the Twins. I believe it was Cuddyer clearly getting in before the tag and the ump having the arm cocked back and ready to fire before the play was ever done.

Umpire error--it happens.

And did the umpire then tell Cuddyer that it only matters that the ball beat him? That was merely a blown call - the ump thought the tag was made and it was not this "the ball beat you" make believe rule. If that was the case here, Jeter would not have argued, Girardi would not have gotten thrown out and it just would have been abut a bad call.

It's about the ridiculous justification afterwards. If you saw the interview with Jeter after the game, he was upset not with the blown call (as you say, it happens) but with the ump just making up some phony rule and reasoning to justify it... cannot you not see the distinction? I'm not sure the umpire even made an error, he was in good position and was not obstructed at all - I think he saw no tag but decided the ball was significantly ahead of Jeter so it's an out. If he saw a tag, why would he tell Jeter the ball beat him, and not I saw him get the tag in?

By the way the 2nd base ump had a similar situation with Swisher and called him safe even though the ball beat him by probably 2 steps (swisher clearly avoided the tag). He was called safe because apparently the 2nd base ump wasn't taught "if the ball beats him" rule... you now have 2 umps applying different rules.

EDIT - by the way thanks for clipping the "Blown calls are going to happen, but how can a professional umpire just make something up?'" and "There were also several bad calls at 2nd... but at least that ump didn't make up new rules, he just missed the calls." out of the quote... makes it sound a lot more like bitching about a blown call when you take the context out of it.

[chrisih8u]

Awesome ovation for Nomar in his 1st game at Fenway since leaving. Gave me goosebumps.

[Goat3001]

Originally Posted by chrisih8u

Awesome ovation for Nomar in his 1st game at Fenway since leaving. Gave me goosebumps.

That was good to see. If anybody deserves a standing ovation at Fenway it's Nomar. It really bugged me in 2004 when some Sox fans were happy to see him go. In the years he was in Boston, he was Nomahhhh. He was the Red Sox. So good to see him getting the respect he deserves.

[huh?]

Originally Posted by Goat3001

That was good to see. If anybody deserves a standing ovation at Fenway it's Nomar. It really bugged me in 2004 when some Sox fans were happy to see him go. In the years he was in Boston, he was Nomahhhh. He was the Red Sox. So good to see him getting the respect he deserves.

He'll always be Nomahhhhh

[Goat3001]

Originally Posted by wirefan

Apparently they changed the rules on stolen bases... Jeter gets called out because "the ball beat you there"... funny I thought that was only the rule on force outs Blown calls are going to happen, but how can a professional umpire just make something up?

Bad calls happen all the time. Most of the time you can't even blame the ump. After all they have to make the call on the spot while everyone else has the benefit of instant replay from 10 angles and slow motion. So I give them a break as long as it doesn't look like they're favoring any one team because by the end of the year those are the things that will even out. You'll get some in your favor and you'll get some taken away. It's just how it works.

But this umpire just flat out made this up. All he had to say was "I saw a tag" and that would have been it. It would have been a blown call but that's it. What actually happened was a joke and when the other umpire is backing up the player then you really know the ump fucked up. Time to start firing some umpires.

[Mad Dawg]

Originally Posted by wirefan

Apparently they changed the rules on stolen bases... Jeter gets called out because "the ball beat you there"... funny I thought that was only the rule on force outs

To be fair, it's not really a made up rule. It's more a rule of thumb that some umpires have relied on forever to help make calls. Or maybe a better way to put it is that it's something that often fools umps into making the wrong call. Broadcasters bring it up all the time. A fielder will often get the benefit of the doubt when a throw gets to the bag or plate before the runner does, even if the tag is missed.

That said, it doesn't make it right so I can appreciate why you guys are steamed.

[mgbfan]

Mountains and molehills. Anyone who has watched baseball for any length of time knows about "the ball beat the runner." It's a rule that's not a rule. The poster implying that the ump made it up is either choosing to ignore that fact or he's fairly new to watching the game.

The Yankees aren't being picked on. This happens all the time. The ball beat the runner. Is it correct? Nope. Is it common? Yup.

[wirefan]

Originally Posted by mgbfan

Mountains and molehills. Anyone who has watched baseball for any length of time knows about "the ball beat the runner." It's a rule that's not a rule. The poster implying that the ump made it up is either choosing to ignore that fact or he's fairly new to watching the game.

The Yankees aren't being picked on. This happens all the time. The ball beat the runner. Is it correct? Nope. Is it common? Yup.

Did I say the Yankees are getting picked on? Please point out where I did. Why do people just choose to read into posts instead of reading them. I said the ump shouldn't make up a BS explanation... if he thought he saw a tag (because the ball beat him there), fine... he just missed the call. He obviously did not see the tag or his explanation would have been I thought he got you, not the ball beat you there. Let me guess, you're one of those folks who think... well the home plate ump keeps calling that pitch 6 inches off the plate but at least he's consistent?

And no I'm not new to the game (thanks for implying it though) I've been watching baseball for about 25 years and played for 12 (topping out at college). The reason it is common is because the when the ball beats the runner, the ump often can't see the tag. It's one thing if you can't see the tag and the ball beats the runner, it's another thing to see no tag and just say the ball beat him.

Apparently, by your outstanding logic, Derek Jeter does not know baseball either (or maybe he's just new to the game, he looks like a fine ball player, I hope he catches on and has a good career ) He said he was not aware of the rule that the ball simply had to beat you. (Heck he's a middle infielder, he would not be familiar with this type of unwritten rule, right?) Apparently Joe Girardi does not know baseball, apparently the CREW CHIEF and the 2nd base ump (who made the correct call on a play at 2nd under the same circumstances) also do not know this rule or are new to the game. Maybe you can educate them as well on this "rule that's not a rule" as apparently it is not just me that doesn't understand it.

EDIT - Maddawg, thanks for your post (and lack of characterizations) - but do you really think the ump was fooled? If he was, why did he just not tell Jeter that I thought he got you?

[Goat3001]

Originally Posted by mgbfan

Mountains and molehills. Anyone who has watched baseball for any length of time knows about "the ball beat the runner." It's a rule that's not a rule. The poster implying that the ump made it up is either choosing to ignore that fact or he's fairly new to watching the game.

The Yankees aren't being picked on. This happens all the time. The ball beat the runner. Is it correct? Nope. Is it common? Yup.

The ball beat the runner isn't a rule. It's a tool umpires use because they can't always see the play. It's a fair tool to use because the majority of the time if the ball is there then the tag is made. So calling Jeter out wasn't a horrible call. And no one here is arguing the call, it's the explanation that is ridiculous. Jeter got called out and told the ump that he was never tagged and the ump responds with "you don't have to be". That is a terrible explanation. Of course he has to be, the rule is he has to be. If the ump said "I saw a tag", there would haven't been any arguing. It would have just been a bad call and been put to bed. To tell a runner that he doesn't need to be tagged to be called out is just dumb on the umpires part and he should be disciplined for it.

[Mad Dawg]

Originally Posted by wirefan

EDIT - Maddawg, thanks for your post (and lack of characterizations) - but do you really think the ump was fooled? If he was, why did he just not tell Jeter that I thought he got you?

Yeah, he probably got fooled and made a snap judgement call. Then, from the sounds of it, he did a terrible job defending a terrible call. But no, I don't think that he forgot there was no force play or anything.

[mcnabb]

This is the problem I have always had with Baseball Umpires, as there are certain 'unwritten rules' they have which are ridiculous. The strike zone since I was growing up is from the knees to the armpits, but RARELY does an umpire call a strike above the waist. So why the hell do they have the strike zone go to the armpit?????

For some reason Umpires are the most arrogrant of the 4 sports, as they never want to get overruled by another umpire. Now the last few years, I have seen it happen, but it is almost like they have to protect each other even if the other umpire can overrule him if he saw it the other way. In football and basketball, they overrule all the time, they huddle up, and come out with the new call, but for some reason certain baseball umpires (cough...Joe West....cough) are the biggest dicks in the world and will never admit when they are wrong.