The Official MMA Thread - Part IV - Page 2

slymer · 07-06-09, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by DeltaSigChi4

Explain TUF 9 Finale and how it was so good, when it was weeks before 100? Explain away.

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It was decent and it was free.

BravesMG · 07-06-09, 11:25 PM

Mask and Liddell being inducted into the UFC HoF this weekend. Great choices.

Slumbering Fist · 07-08-09, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by BravesMG

Mask and Liddell being inducted into the UFC HoF this weekend. Great choices.

Really? Is that sarcastic?

I mean, where is this hallowed hall anyway?

Seriously, who votes to get fighters in there? Oh that's right, a prestigious panel of no one but Dana'er and the Ferttitas. To me, its just an illusory accolade. I certainly hope they dont devote much time on the ppv to it.

starseed1981 · 07-08-09, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Slumbering Fist

Really? Is that sarcastic?

I mean, where is this hallowed hall anyway?

Seriously, who votes to get fighters in there? Oh that's right, a prestigious panel of no one but Dana'er and the Ferttitas. To me, its just an illusory accolade. I certainly hope they dont devote much time on the ppv to it.

Wow. Did you just become roomates with Delta?

j/k

Actually, I think those are good choices. Mask did alot not to just promote the UFC but alot of smaller shows (tuff-n-uff, PFC, King of The Cage, ROTR, etc.) so I'm glad he's being recognized.

Liddell is a great choice too, like it or not he got alot of people interested in MMA. Title defenses against Tito & Jeremy Horn might not be that grand, but again...he did / does alot for the sport.

Goat3001 · 07-08-09, 02:44 PM

Yeah Liddell is clearly a HOF fighter and Mask did do a lot for the UFC but that doesn't change the fact that the UFC Hall of Fame is the most illegitimite HOF in sports.

Slumbering Fist · 07-08-09, 04:06 PM

I dont think I'm being callous.

The body that determines who gets the accolades is just the company, not fighters, fans, sports writers, managers, etc, so its not any kind of real achievement other than a meaningless way for the UFC to pat its own back and control its image (For instance, if you think Tito or Frank Shamrock will ever get nods while they are on the outs, you're dreaming).

Besides ,other than the nod, being a hall of famer gets you nothing. Its not like anyone always says "UFC Hall of Famer Dan Severn" or that title elevates him or anyone else in any significant way. They dont even have annual events or any incentive, other than some glad handing at the induction, to be a "hall of famer."

To me its just a dopey distraction. Its already a bloated ppv, so I want fights occupying my time, not a montage of a t-shirt guy and Liddell clocking hand-picked opponents for years on end.

stingermck · 07-08-09, 07:53 PM

Saw this on Attack of the Show earlier

slymer · 07-08-09, 09:32 PM

Pretty funny. Was he drunk?

zuffy · 07-08-09, 10:58 PM

Dumb but I would dry hump her too

SPiRAL · 07-08-09, 11:51 PM

He never stopped

starseed1981 · 07-09-09, 01:18 AM

Cro Cop Vs. Junior Dos Santos at UFC 103.

DeltaSigChi4 · 07-09-09, 03:19 AM

I've attended eight Tuff-N-Uff events (nine after this week) and I've never seen Lewis at any of them. Alright, the ninth one shouldn't count because he is dead ::insert tombstone smilie here::

You probably can come to your own conclusions as to what I am getting at.

Yes.

I wish to be inducted into the Hall of Fame what I have done for MMA.

*commences preparing speech*

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DeltaSigChi4 · 07-09-09, 03:22 AM

And I attended three ROTR/RWE cards in the fiftieth state and never saw Lewis at any of those either. I wonder where he was "promoting" the event from.

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spainlinx0 · 07-09-09, 09:36 AM

Figured I would ask here, but does anyone know of any good MMA/jujitsu places around New Brunswick, NJ? I used to really like taking the classes back when I lived in North Jersey, but I don't know what gym would be good around here. I'm trying to get back into shape, and this was always fun for me.

Goat3001 · 07-09-09, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by DeltaSigChi4

Yes.

I wish to be inducted into the Hall of Fame what I have done for MMA.

*commences preparing speech*

E

I'm sure you'd be a HOF lock if stupid Dana White would allow you to go on The Ultimate Fighter.

TheDude · 07-10-09, 07:12 AM

Quick secondary question:

How much does it cost for these top level guys to run a training camp?

I was looking back through the payouts for a few of the last few UFC PPV's and saw that some of these guys were making as little as $5000 for the fight.

Is that enough to run a camp? How much do the sponsors take care of (if anything)? For these $5000 guys, are they still working a second/third job? How much do you need to make to become a 'fighter only'?

Alrighty, so this turned from one quick question into a bunch of them, but any insight is much appreciated.

Deftones · 07-10-09, 06:51 PM

Just ordered the PPV for tomorrow.

Quake1028 · 07-10-09, 07:29 PM

WAR Mir!

Manco · 07-10-09, 08:02 PM

I thought this was pretty funny.

astrochimp · 07-10-09, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Deftones

Just ordered the PPV for tomorrow.

Ditto.

Go GSP!

Quake1028 · 07-11-09, 02:08 PM

So, who has some picks for tonight:

Jones vs. O'Brien - Jones
Danzig vs. Miller - Miller
Coleman vs. Bonnar - Bonnar
Akiyama vs. Belcher - Akiyama
Henderson vs. Bisping - Hendo
Fitch vs. Thiago - Fitch
GSP vs. Alves - GSP
Mir vs. Lesnar - Mir

Slumbering Fist · 07-11-09, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDude

I was looking back through the payouts for a few of the last few UFC PPV's and saw that some of these guys were making as little as $5000 for the fight.

Is that enough to run a camp? How much do the sponsors take care of (if anything)? For these $5000 guys, are they still working a second/third job? How much do you need to make to become a 'fighter only'?

Well, its pretty obvious, you make $3-5,000 a fight and fight maybe three times a year, you are either not living it up or have a secondary income. On a low level, being in the UFC can get you a couple more thousand in sponsor money, but recently the UFC seriously cut back on those sponsors, so low tier fighters are getting the shaft.

In terms of camps, if you are low level, you work within the camp, get your training in with the usual day to day mix, whereas top/mid tier names have camps tailored just for them. Skilled mid tier guys can make a decent living from just fighting and extra training work (having a top camp helps), sparring, seminars, etc. Its a niche sport, so making a substantial, long term, career living, is rare.

Slumbering Fist · 07-11-09, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Quake1028

So, who has some picks for tonight:

Jones vs. O'Brien - Jones
Danzig vs. Miller - Miller
Coleman vs. Bonnar - Bonnar
Akiyama vs. Belcher - Akiyama
Henderson vs. Bisping - Hendo
Fitch vs. Thiago - Fitch
GSP vs. Alves - GSP
Mir vs. Lesnar - Mir

Whats funny is, I can see so many of these matches going either way because I dont trust some of the fighters, like *ugh* Mir. Hendo has a way of coasting and losing matches he should win, and , contradictorily, a way getting gift decisions, plus his motivation is frequently in question. GSP has the overall game, but I wouldnt rule out an Alves KO. And, though I favor him, the octagon debutjitters/Asian-curse could easily strike Sexyyama.

The only picks I really lean towards with some certainty are Miller, Bonnar, and Fitch.

Jones-O'Brien is up in the air for me simply because I'm not sold on Jones yet and totally cold on O'Brien as anything special.

MrX · 07-11-09, 09:18 PM

@ Forrest vs Shogun being voted #10 on Spike's Top 100 UFC fights of all time show

Spicollidriver1 · 07-11-09, 09:29 PM

Yeah I am watching this too also a little annoyed at all of a sudden this is a promo for 100

07-06-09, 11:25 PM	#27
BravesMG DVD Talk Limited Edition Join Date: Dec 2000 Posts: 6,279	Re: The Official MMA Thread - Part IV Mask and Liddell being inducted into the UFC HoF this weekend. Great choices. __________________ "Never go with a hippie to a second location." - Jack Donaghy HD-A35, PS3 owner. Xbox Live Tag: Tiny Doubles

07-08-09, 02:44 PM	#30
Goat3001 DVD Talk Hall of Fame Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 8,474	Re: The Official MMA Thread - Part IV Yeah Liddell is clearly a HOF fighter and Mask did do a lot for the UFC but that doesn't change the fact that the UFC Hall of Fame is the most illegitimite HOF in sports. __________________ My Countdown Counting down to: Lost: Final Season Premiere 79 days 16 hours 43 minutes

07-08-09, 04:06 PM	#31
Slumbering Fist DVD Talk Reviewer Join Date: Jun 2000 Posts: 3,152	Re: The Official MMA Thread - Part IV I dont think I'm being callous. The body that determines who gets the accolades is just the company, not fighters, fans, sports writers, managers, etc, so its not any kind of real achievement other than a meaningless way for the UFC to pat its own back and control its image (For instance, if you think Tito or Frank Shamrock will ever get nods while they are on the outs, you're dreaming). Besides ,other than the nod, being a hall of famer gets you nothing. Its not like anyone always says "UFC Hall of Famer Dan Severn" or that title elevates him or anyone else in any significant way. They dont even have annual events or any incentive, other than some glad handing at the induction, to be a "hall of famer." To me its just a dopey distraction. Its already a bloated ppv, so I want fights occupying my time, not a montage of a t-shirt guy and Liddell clocking hand-picked opponents for years on end. Last edited by Slumbering Fist; 07-08-09 at 04:09 PM.

07-08-09, 07:53 PM	#32
stingermck DVD Talk Ultimate Edition Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Wilmington, NC Posts: 4,940	Re: The Official MMA Thread - Part IV Saw this on Attack of the Show earlier __________________ "We wouldn't have to "regress" so much if it wasn't for that weird period in comics history when EVERYTHING in comics had to be awful and bleak. Characters died, became killers, were crippled and had lots of pouches and belts on their costumes, and we, this generation of creators, represent the undoing of that." - Ethan Van Sciver

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slymer DVD Talk Gold Edition Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: The slums of Escondido Posts: 2,316	Re: The Official MMA Thread - Part IV Pretty funny. Was he drunk? __________________ DVD & blu-ray

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07-09-09, 03:19 AM	#37
DeltaSigChi4 Suspended Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 2,077	Re: The Official MMA Thread - Part IV I've attended eight Tuff-N-Uff events (nine after this week) and I've never seen Lewis at any of them. Alright, the ninth one shouldn't count because he is dead ::insert tombstone smilie here:: You probably can come to your own conclusions as to what I am getting at. Yes. I wish to be inducted into the Hall of Fame what I have done for MMA. commences preparing speech E

07-09-09, 03:22 AM	#38
DeltaSigChi4 Suspended Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 2,077	Re: The Official MMA Thread - Part IV And I attended three ROTR/RWE cards in the fiftieth state and never saw Lewis at any of those either. I wonder where he was "promoting" the event from. E

07-09-09, 09:36 AM	#39
spainlinx0 DVD Talk Hall of Fame Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: NJ Posts: 9,150	Re: The Official MMA Thread - Part IV Figured I would ask here, but does anyone know of any good MMA/jujitsu places around New Brunswick, NJ? I used to really like taking the classes back when I lived in North Jersey, but I don't know what gym would be good around here. I'm trying to get back into shape, and this was always fun for me. __________________ 360: Scorpy Gkar

07-10-09, 07:12 AM	#41
TheDude DVD Talk Special Edition Join Date: Oct 1999 Location: Raleigh, NC Posts: 1,892	Re: The Official MMA Thread - Part IV Quick secondary question: How much does it cost for these top level guys to run a training camp? I was looking back through the payouts for a few of the last few UFC PPV's and saw that some of these guys were making as little as $5000 for the fight. Is that enough to run a camp? How much do the sponsors take care of (if anything)? For these $5000 guys, are they still working a second/third job? How much do you need to make to become a 'fighter only'? Alrighty, so this turned from one quick question into a bunch of them, but any insight is much appreciated. __________________ XBL Gamertag: inverse cosine

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Quake1028 DVD Talk Legend Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Hurricane Nation Posts: 21,912	Re: The Official MMA Thread - Part IV So, who has some picks for tonight: Jones vs. O'Brien - Jones Danzig vs. Miller - Miller Coleman vs. Bonnar - Bonnar Akiyama vs. Belcher - Akiyama Henderson vs. Bisping - Hendo Fitch vs. Thiago - Fitch GSP vs. Alves - GSP Mir vs. Lesnar - Mir __________________ RIP M.L.B. 1968-2005

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