2009 NBA offseason thread

[Kerborus]

Originally Posted by El Scorcho

Elite power forwards want the ball in crunch time. Elite power forwards aren't afraid to be the go-to guy.

Rasheed is a wasted talent in that he has/had all the skills to be a go to guy but was too much of a headcase and too much of a pussy to assume such a role.

Guys with skill sets like Rasheed and Vince Carter but with the mail-it-in mentality when they're not happy/getting-their-way are the most irritating kind of player in the NBA because you see just enough flashes of brilliance that show you that they do have the innate gifts to be in all the "best ____ ever" lists but lack the things between the ears to make it so.

Fuck them both.

I agree, but Rasheed was not like this in 2004. He did want the ball and hit many clutch shots against the Lakers and other teams in the playoffs.

I do agree, Fuck him, after last season.

[WallyOPD]

Originally Posted by Kerborus

Because you cherry picked your sampling. Enough said.

Well if you say it then it must be true.

[El Scorcho]

Originally Posted by Kerborus

And you penchant for assery is also off the charts. In the terms of the alll time great teams, this Pistons team is right up there. 10 straight playoff trips,6 straight ECF, 1 NBA title (2 Finals appearances) and a whole lot of playoff wins including a 64 win season (only topped by a handful of teams).

Show me what other teams and franchises have accomplished that over the same time span?

Laker, Bulls, Celtics, Spurs and??

10 straight playoff trips? lol who cares, this is been done several times over and isn't even in view of the record.

6 straight ECF trips? Does this even have much value at all considering that the East was the junior varsity league for most/all of those years? The east was so mediocre for so fucking long that the Pistons *should* have been in the ECF every year -- anything less would be an epic failure considering their talent.

2003 - 1 50 win team (6 in west)
2004 - 2 50 win teams (6 in west)
2005 - 2 50 win teams (6 in west)
2006 - 3 50 win teams (3 in west)
2007 - 2 50 win teams (5 in west)
2008 - 3 50 win teams (8 in west)

Detroit's run was good and all but belongs nowhere in the discussions of greatest teams ever. But go ahead and keep jerking off over your pictures of Tayshaun and Rip while keeping your head in the sand.

I do have to give you credit though -- for years you've spewed nothing but hyperbole about the Pistons and their supposed "greatness" and everyone has done everything but call you an idiot the entire time yet you continue to stick to your guns and ignore the fact that you have nobody that has ever agreed with you regarding the Pistons on this forum. I admire the dedication to the cause!

[fumanstan]

Originally Posted by Kerborus

The better teams are still in the East at this point. Last I checked, only 8 teams from each league get into the playoffs. So each has 8 contenders and of those 16 only 4 teams reallly have any chance and the rest is just hoping for a key injury to the other key. Why have conference pride? Why have team pride? Why follow sports at all? Cause it's fun, get over it.

I don't see the fun in having conference pride. It's one thing to see your team go through ups and downs, but being happy that one of 16 teams in your conference wins seems silly. But whatever floats your boat.

Dirk is a better player? Can he defend? Not quite. Comparing Rasheed to Duncan is silly, not many people compare to Duncan, certainly not Wallace. I'd say that KG has an edge over Wallace, but they still have the same amount of titles...

A league MVP, multiple All-NBA team selections, a trip to the Finals. Yeah, i'd say Dirk is better. Despite the league wide conspiracy to hate members of the Detroit Pistons, I don't think Rasheed is at that level. While I'd certainly agree that defense is always overlooked, I don't think that's enough to give Rasheed the edge. Dallas has been a winning team for a decade built around Dirk, whereas Rasheed is a complementary piece. I don't see Rasheed capable of being able to lead anyone.

I have about as big a red light as anyone else here when their team gets attacked. Let's just start saying something about the Lakers and see all the crying begin...

Even guys that aren't on your team anymore, apparently. Really, what has been said about Rasheed that you would consider bashing? Have we really said anything different from what you've said about his motivation? You were the one that came out attacking us for bashing Rasheed Wallace in the past, but somehow it's ok for you to criticize him? I'm confused.

[Aphex Twin]

So who's handsomer? Father or son?

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[Kerborus]

Originally Posted by El Scorcho

10 straight playoff trips? lol who cares, this is been done several times over and isn't even in view of the record.

6 straight ECF trips? Does this even have much value at all considering that the East was the junior varsity league for most/all of those years? The east was so mediocre for so fucking long that the Pistons *should* have been in the ECF every year -- anything less would be an epic failure considering their talent.

2003 - 1 50 win team (6 in west)
2004 - 2 50 win teams (6 in west)
2005 - 2 50 win teams (6 in west)
2006 - 3 50 win teams (3 in west)
2007 - 2 50 win teams (5 in west)
2008 - 3 50 win teams (8 in west)

Detroit's run was good and all but belongs nowhere in the discussions of greatest teams ever. But go ahead and keep jerking off over your pictures of Tayshaun and Rip while keeping your head in the sand.

I do have to give you credit though -- for years you've spewed nothing but hyperbole about the Pistons and their supposed "greatness" and everyone has done everything but call you an idiot the entire time yet you continue to stick to your guns and ignore the fact that you have nobody that has ever agreed with you regarding the Pistons on this forum. I admire the dedication to the cause!

Nice to see you still have a hard-on for me. Ever think about responding without making it so personal? You really come across as a jerk, you know?

I've just asked you to demonstrate a better team over the same timespan. You come up with numbers about the west (conference pride?) Did you research their records against the western teams in those years? I think you'll see they handled the west just fine. Not to mention that they defeated the best team of the 00's (Lakers) handily and came very close to defeating the other greatest western team. I defy you to show me another team as successful that was not named Lakers, Bulls, Spurs, Celtics in the same consitent time period.

If the East was so mediocre for so long, then why didn't other Eastern teams dominate for so long? And the East is so mediocre, they own as many titles as the west does in the last 5-6 years. I think it is not in your power to give Detroit it's due.

[Kerborus]

Originally Posted by WallyOPD

Well if you say it then it must be true.

Ok, so all the stuff about Rasheed saving kittens and the Detroit 'Sheeds' etc. didn't happen I guess. So yes, it is true. Go back and read.

[WallyOPD]

Originally Posted by Kerborus

Ok, so all the stuff about Rasheed saving kittens and the Detroit 'Sheeds' etc. didn't happen I guess. So yes, it is true. Go back and read.

Again, people mocking your hyperbole. People may have made fun of him but nobody said he was a bad player. One guy said Gasol was better than him and everyone else jumped on him.

[Kerborus]

Originally Posted by fumanstan

I don't see the fun in having conference pride. It's one thing to see your team go through ups and downs, but being happy that one of 16 teams in your conference wins seems silly. But whatever floats your boat.



A league MVP, multiple All-NBA team selections, a trip to the Finals. Yeah, i'd say Dirk is better. Despite the league wide conspiracy to hate members of the Detroit Pistons, I don't think Rasheed is at that level. While I'd certainly agree that defense is always overlooked, I don't think that's enough to give Rasheed the edge. Dallas has been a winning team for a decade built around Dirk, whereas Rasheed is a complementary piece. I don't see Rasheed capable of being able to lead anyone.



Even guys that aren't on your team anymore, apparently. Really, what has been said about Rasheed that you would consider bashing? Have we really said anything different from what you've said about his motivation? You were the one that came out attacking us for bashing Rasheed Wallace in the past, but somehow it's ok for you to criticize him? I'm confused.

Exactly, whatever floats your boat. I root for the NL teams as well. Many do, so what? I appreciate the Eastern style (defense) over the western style (run and gun).

Dirk is a better player when you put it like that, but Rasheed is a more well balanced player in my opinion. Dirk has always been soft in my book. So ok, Dirk is better, I don't mind saying that.

Well, remain confused. I think I'm done with Rasheed, the Celtics can have him. Can't wait to hear his praises sung from their side, much the way that Billups' praises were sung from the Denver side - hey, this guy really IS a great player! Who knew?

[Kerborus]

Switching topics, what can anyone tell me about Villanueva? Is he any good?

[devilshalo]

Originally Posted by Kerborus

Ever think about responding without making it so personal? You really come across as a jerk, you know?

[dx23]

Originally Posted by Kerborus

Switching topics, what can anyone tell me about Villanueva? Is he any good?

He is a decent player, but has been too inconsistent throughout his career. He can score, but for his size, he doesn't rebound or defend that well. He is also been accused of being too soft.

[The_Cube]

Originally Posted by Kerborus

Switching topics, what can anyone tell me about Villanueva? Is he any good?

As a Bucks fan, I am happy that they didn't resign him. He would be a good 6th man for about $5 million, but he is not worth the money the Pistons paid him. He jacks up too many 3's for a big man and doesn't play defense. He reminds me a lot of what Tim Thomas used to be as a Buck. However, this time the Bucks didn't make the mistake of giving Charlie a huge contract like they did Thomas.

[fujishig]

Originally Posted by Kerborus

Switching topics, what can anyone tell me about Villanueva? Is he any good?

I always seem to think of him as Zach Randolph-lite... capable of getting 20 and 10, but only if he dominates the ball. Lucky for him, everyone in Milwaukee got injured last year, otherwise no way he gets that contract.

[dx23]

Dallas working on a sign and trade with the Raptors to get Shawn Marion.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4310011

[VinVega]

Originally Posted by Kerborus

And you penchant for assery is also off the charts.

Originally Posted by El Scorcho

But go ahead and keep jerking off over your pictures of Tayshaun and Rip while keeping your head in the sand.

Originally Posted by Kerborus

You really come across as a jerk, you know?

mod warning - If the two of you can't respond to each other in a more civilized manner, you're both going to get a time out. I am going to suggest the ignore button for both of you to use.

[PopcornTreeCt]

Originally Posted by El Scorcho

Elite power forwards want the ball in crunch time. Elite power forwards aren't afraid to be the go-to guy.

I'm curious who these elite power forwards that want the ball in crunch time?

Kevin Garnett disappears in the fourth quarter. Dirk Nowitzki is a great player but he's only clutch because everyone else on his team sucks. Tim Duncan fits the description of an elite power forward. Dennis Rodman was not an elite power forward?

I just think it's a silly point. Rasheed Wallace is not an elite power forward but he's a big presence and can hit shots.

[El Scorcho]

sorry kerby, it's nothing personal - i say that kind of shit to my friends all the time and forget that it comes differently online sometimes

[alfredog1976]

Lakers re-sign Shannon Brown:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4309942

[mrpayroll]

Originally Posted by alfredog1976

Lakers re-sign Shannon Brown:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4309942

Yayyyyy! At least he has some loyalty to the Lakers.

He and Farmar should make a great backup for Fisher and they will probably get the majority of the middle minutes.

Chris

[MovieMaster11]

Glad to see Brown re-sign. He was huge in the playoffs.

[Ravenous]

Shit, Spurs are apprantly going after Big Bitch. I hate that pussy. Though I guess hes better than Rashit, who I despise.

So whats all this arguing? Its not about the Pistons right? Sports most boring team!

[Mordred]

Originally Posted by dx23

Dallas working on a sign and trade with the Raptors to get Shawn Marion.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4310011

Please no.

[dx23]

apparently, Lebron told Ariza that he is staying in Cleveland past 2010.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4310284

[Arpeggi]

Dude has no integrity, lying to Ariza like that.