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Old 06-12-07, 10:49 AM   #101
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But then you also have to take into account the eras in which they played, which would then even it right back out.
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Old 06-12-07, 10:58 AM   #102
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Old 06-12-07, 11:01 AM   #103
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And, I would suggest Mattingly was a better defensive player than Bernie, so he has that to his advantage also.
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Old 06-12-07, 12:06 PM   #104
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But then you also have to take into account the eras in which they played, which would then even it right back out.

Assuming you are not going to take juicing into account in the coming years when it comes to HOF voting, which is a bad assumption given that the sportswriters can't stop yapping about it today and have already seemingly banished Big Mac.
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Old 07-30-07, 07:28 PM   #105
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How about:

Tim Raines?

He's elgible next year. I think he should, he was the second best leadoff man in his era...behind the greatest of all time (Rickey).
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Old 07-30-07, 08:14 PM   #106
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Tim Raines?

He's elgible next year. I think he should, he was the second best leadoff man in his era...behind the greatest of all time (Rickey).
Raines certainly has a compelling case. Compare Raines' stats to those of Lou Brock, who is in the hall.

Tim Raines- http://www.baseball-almanac.com/play...hp?p=raineti01

Lou Brock- http://www.baseball-almanac.com/play...hp?p=brocklo01

Raines has the advantage in runs scored, RBI, homeruns, walks (by a wide margin) which leads to a much higher OBP. Brock has the advantage in hits (about 400 more) but had about 1500 more plate appearances.

Defensively, Raines has a much better fielding percentage.
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Old 07-30-07, 09:14 PM   #107
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I would have to say yes to raines I was a big fan of his when I was younger and always wanted his baseball cards even though I didn't understand why they were worthless I always thought if I knew who they were they were worth something
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Old 07-30-07, 09:17 PM   #108
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IMO, Raines is a HOFer. He was the National League's Rickey Henderson.
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Old 07-30-07, 09:20 PM   #109
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I wonder if Raines' early drug problems will have any effect on his getting in. He seemed to kick the problem early and stayed clean the rest of his career/life.
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Old 07-30-07, 09:24 PM   #110
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IMO, Raines is a HOFer. He was the National League's Rickey Henderson.
Except he had some really good years with the White Sox.
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Old 07-30-07, 09:57 PM   #111
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Raines will benefit from being the top new guy on the ballot. If he had been on there this year, I don't think he makes it (with Ripken and Gwynn). Next year, he has a good shot.
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Old 03-26-08, 12:08 PM   #112
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Bumping this thread to ask if Chris Webber is a Hall of Famer.

He's one of only 6 players in NBA history to average 20 points, 9 rebounds and 4 assists a game.

The other 5 are Kevin Garnett (future first ballot Hall of Famer), Wilt Chamberlain, Larry Bird, Elgin Baylor and Billy Cunningham (all Hall of Famers).

I personally don't think he is. Too many injuries and was never regarded as one of the games best at any point in his career.
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Old 03-26-08, 12:18 PM   #113
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I say no on Webber.
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Old 03-26-08, 01:19 PM   #114
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When evaluating players for the Basketball Hall of Fame, remember it is college+pro, although one can wonder what the game played in the pros in the last decade or so has to do with basketball.
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Old 03-26-08, 02:54 PM   #115
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No, he shouldn't get in at least until a lot of other just as or more deserving players get in. Since only 1 or 2 NBA players get into the shitty basketball HOF each year, he has a long line in front of him. He would have a better chance if the NBA started their own HOF, which they should.

As a side note, how the hell is John Chaney in the HOF when Guy Lewis isn't?
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Old 03-26-08, 05:28 PM   #116
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No to Webber as well. Even at best, He had 2 maybe 3 seasons where you thought to yourself he was top 5 at his respected position. And that's not enough to be a hall of famer. Factoring in his college career does bring him closer, but still no cigar.
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Old 03-26-08, 05:31 PM   #117
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Old 03-26-08, 06:21 PM   #118
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If his Sacramento team had ever won a championship, I might think differently, but he was never named a starter in the all-star game and was first team all nba only once. I always thought he was one of the most gifted power forwards to play the game (of course at one time I thought similar things about Derrick Coleman), but he played in eras where Malone, then Garnett and Duncan just dominated the power forward position.
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Old 03-26-08, 08:20 PM   #119
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If Garnett is a shoe-in, then Webber is a barely-in.
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Old 03-26-08, 08:47 PM   #120
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I say no on Webber too, just barely, but I do think he was greatly underrated as a PF, and i'd actually say he was a Top 5 PF for about half his career. I agree that everyone would see him differently if the Kings won a title and beat the Lakers. His career numbers are pretty damn good, especially his assists for a big man.
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Old 03-27-08, 06:19 AM   #121
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Webber to me is not a Hall of Famer, as he just doesn't rise to the level of guys like Barkley, Malone, and Pippen, who I consider shoe-in HOF'ers.

Sometimes numbers are overrated in basketball, as Derrick Coleman routinely put up 20 pts/10 rebounds, but that doesn't mean they are great players. I think Webber is a guy who had a really good career, but I just can't put him in that HOF class.
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Old 04-17-08, 11:19 PM   #122
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Steve McNair retired today after 13 seasons. Does he make the Pro Football Hall of Fame? I say yes. 30,000 yards, 60% completion rate, 174 touchdowns. Co-MVP in 2003 and a Super Bowl appearance. Played through injuries and played consistently throughout his career, only having 1 really bad year, last year unfortunately.

I don't think he'll get in on the 1st ballot, but definitely within the 1st 10 years of eligibility.
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Old 04-17-08, 11:52 PM   #123
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174 tds in 13 seasons, that's not impressive at all.
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Old 04-17-08, 11:55 PM   #124
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Old 04-18-08, 07:21 AM   #125
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Put McNair on those Cowboys teams in the 1990s, and he'd be a HOFamer just like Aikman.

Loved watching him play. A true gamer and leader.
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