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Old 06-08-07, 06:56 PM   #51
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I could see Payton in, but not first ballot.

Griffey's in, and I'll take Arod as well.

For Basketball, while searching, I found this:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/.../hof_prob.html

Interesting, bold are the players not yet eligible (kinda forgot Jordan's not in yet). Carter is pretty high (above Ewing) and Payton is above Stockton. And Darius Miles has a .0001 chance of getting in, which makes me doubt this whole list...

edit: Nash is also way too low on this list, so I guess stats aren't everything...
That list is silly. They have Iverson listed above Pippen, David Robinson, and Stockton. All of them have much more of a pedigree than Iverson.
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Old 06-08-07, 07:14 PM   #52
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Iverson is a HoFer IMO. 4 time scoring champ, 8 time All Star, 3 All NBA first teams, 3 All NBA second teams, Rookie of the Year, NBA MVP, 2 time All Star MVP, 3rd All Time PPG, 7th All Time SPG. I really don't see how anyone can argue it at this point.
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Old 06-08-07, 07:35 PM   #53
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That list is silly. They have Iverson listed above Pippen, David Robinson, and Stockton. All of them have much more of a pedigree than Iverson.
It's one of those things where stats outweigh roles. Numbers wise, Pippen is hardly spectacular where as Iverson putting up 30 PPG probably plays a significant role. That and the formula includes height

Even so, the list looks to be fairly accurate to me. Although like I said earlier, I think times have changed so that 20 PPG scorers aren't as special as they used to be.
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Old 06-08-07, 07:36 PM   #54
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Sure-fire hall of famers (among current players)
Shaq
Duncan
Iverson
Kobe
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Old 06-08-07, 07:42 PM   #55
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Sure-fire hall of famers (among current players)
Shaq
Duncan
Iverson
Kobe
Garnett
Payton
I would add JKidd to this list, but otherwise I agree.
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Old 06-08-07, 09:52 PM   #56
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Thats funny that you guys are all saying these two guys are surefire locks, and I have heard a ton of conversations saying they are not. KG not being clutch and a finisher, and Griff the injuries and on occasion the impression that he doesn't make his teams better because of his bad luck (I think the reasoning is the damage he does when hes out outweighs his accomplishments in the lineup). By the way I was agree that both are in although it may not be first ballot locks they are definitely in. I guess I was trying to see if you guys are like some of these annoying shits you run in to who think no one gets in. Tomorrow I'll find a harder one. Also am glad that this has some interest.
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Old 06-08-07, 10:36 PM   #57
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Thats funny that you guys are all saying these two guys are surefire locks, and I have heard a ton of conversations saying they are not.

You must have heard idiots conversing because anyone who says Griffey is not a lock for the Hall of Fame is an idiot. Not my opinion, just FACT.
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Old 06-08-07, 11:17 PM   #58
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I could see Payton in, but not first ballot.

Griffey's in, and I'll take Arod as well.

For Basketball, while searching, I found this:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/.../hof_prob.html

Interesting, bold are the players not yet eligible (kinda forgot Jordan's not in yet). Carter is pretty high (above Ewing) and Payton is above Stockton. And Darius Miles has a .0001 chance of getting in, which makes me doubt this whole list...

edit: Nash is also way too low on this list, so I guess stats aren't everything...
112 Stephon Marbury .3309
113 Steve Francis .3144

118 Shawn Marion .2584
119 Antoine Walker .2557

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178 Reggie Miller .0417


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Old 06-09-07, 01:35 AM   #59
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Old 06-09-07, 07:33 AM   #60
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Well thats what I thought but when it comes to sports there are a lot of bad opinions out there. Hopefully this one is harder

Craig Biggio

7 all star appearances(only player to get in as a catcher then a second basemen)
4 gold gloves
5 silver slugger awards
2980 hits
285 home runs
412 stolen bases
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all with the same team.
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Old 06-09-07, 08:13 AM   #61
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Hall of Fame, duh.
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Old 06-09-07, 08:43 AM   #62
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Really a 280 hitter without exceptional power. Plus we have gotten to that point were 3000 hits and 500 home runs aren't as special anymore. I'm really not sure if he gets in and if he does probably not first ballot. The 300 300 club ( by the time the season is over at least) is the one thing that maybe really stands out. I don't think this one is obvious he almost seems a lock for some because he is such a great guy kind of like Kirby, and the aforementioned KG.
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Old 06-09-07, 09:10 AM   #63
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Well the Hall decides so it will be as a Mariner.
Agreed, I don't think there's much on a choice here. Seattle way over cincy for Griffey's hat (unless Griffey chooses no hat).
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Old 06-09-07, 09:11 AM   #64
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Monk should be, but if he hasn't made it by now I don't know what his odds are.

Heres 2: Bert Blyleven, He has some great numbers, plus I found this interesting:
"There are only eight pitchers who rank in the top 20 in wins, shutouts, and strikeouts. Here is the list:

Wins SO SHO
Bert Blyleven 17th 5th 8th
Steve Carlton 6th 4th 13th
Ferguson Jenkins 19th 11th 17th
Walter Johnson 1st 9th 1st
Gaylord Perry 12th 8th 14th
Nolan Ryan 8th 1st 6th
Tom Seaver 13th 6th 6th
Don Sutton 8th 7th 9th

Ryan is the only pitcher who ranks higher than Blyleven in all three categories. That's right, there is only one pitcher in the history of baseball who has more wins, strikeouts, and shutouts than Blyleven."

Another one, Adam Vinatieri. This is almost like getting into the Horry role player argument, but I can hear a case for him.
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Old 06-09-07, 09:15 AM   #65
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I need to reference this thread:

http://forum.dvdtalk.com/showthread....hlight=griffey

and this post in particular:

http://forum.dvdtalk.com/showpost.ph...1&postcount=73

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So Ken Griffey, Jr., hit homerun number 575 today.

I keep hearing all of this HOF talk with Griffey. Is that right? Does it seem like he's had a HOF career?
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In a forum where Dalvin posts, please don't take this lightly. This is the single dumbest thing I have ever seen on this forum.
because it is relevant here
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Old 06-09-07, 09:18 AM   #66
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Really a 280 hitter without exceptional power. Plus we have gotten to that point were 3000 hits and 500 home runs aren't as special anymore. I'm really not sure if he gets in and if he does probably not first ballot. The 300 300 club ( by the time the season is over at least) is the one thing that maybe really stands out. I don't think this one is obvious he almost seems a lock for some because he is such a great guy kind of like Kirby, and the aforementioned KG.
3000 hits still remains pretty special (moreso than the 500 HRs), and remember he's doing this as a 2B and some as a catcher. That's very impressive. You won't find many better 2B in major league history.
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Old 06-09-07, 09:49 AM   #67
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So is Bonds still considered a first ballot HOF because of his numbers, despite the steroids controversy?
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Old 06-09-07, 11:24 AM   #68
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112 Stephon Marbury .3309
113 Steve Francis .3144

118 Shawn Marion .2584
119 Antoine Walker .2557

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178 Reggie Miller .0417

Unsurprising, considering Reggie Miller's numbers are rather unspectacular.
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Old 06-09-07, 01:22 PM   #69
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Unsurprising, considering Reggie Miller's numbers are rather unspectacular.
Reggie was a good scorer, and a clutch shooter but that's about it. He really couldn't do anything else. I think he's in the top 15 all time in points, but he played a long time and was healthy most the way.
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So is Bonds still considered a first ballot HOF because of his numbers, despite the steroids controversy?
Can't really say how they are going to vote him. IMO he was a first ballot lock before 2000, so this steroid clouded stuff is just icing.
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Old 06-09-07, 03:25 PM   #71
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Hall of Fame, duh.
Biggio yep, probably should be first ballot, but might depend on who is in his class.
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Old 06-09-07, 03:34 PM   #72
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Biggio yep, probably should be first ballot, but might depend on who is in his class.
It is also hurting him that he continues to play. He is only batting .227 this year (.246 all of last year). He has an outside shot of hitting 300 HR this year (needs 16 more, has hit 4 so far, 21 last year).
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Old 06-09-07, 04:11 PM   #73
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Yeah sorry that was presumptive of me that he would get to 300 hr's, and that's one of the reasons I chose him his clearly diminishing skills. As far as the baseball guys are concerned steroids is not something I want to debate here because everyone has an opinion and there isn't going to be much movement. Arguing Baseball and steroids is like arguing pro-choice-pro-life you can't win that fight, and there is much more fun arguments to be had.
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Old 06-09-07, 06:57 PM   #74
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Here's what I think of the Hall of Fame chances of the players listed so far, by sport:

Basketball:

Kevin Garnett: Yes
Vince Carter: No
Ray Allen: No
Paul Pierce: No
Robert Horry: Maybe
Karl Malone: Yes
Charles Barkley: Yes
Tracy McGrady: Maybe
Grant Hill: No
Allen Iverson: Yes
Scottie Pippen: Yes
Kobe Bryant: Yes
Shaquille O'Neal: Yes
Tim Duncan: Yes
Steve Nash: Maybe
Jason Kidd: Yes
Gary Payton: Yes
Elton Brand: No
Reggie Miller: Yes

Baseball:
Barry Bonds: Yes
Ken Griffey Jr.: Yes
Gary Sheffield: Maybe/Yes
Alex Rodriguez: Yes
Derek Jeter: Yes
Sammy Sosa: Maybe/Yes
Craig Biggio: Maybe/Yes

Football:
Dan Marino: Yes
Art Monk: Yes
Adam Vinateri: Yes

Since there hasn't been any discussion of hockey, here's the first-time eligible players for the Hockey Hall of Fame:

First Year Eligible Players for Hockey Hall of Fame

Looking at the list, Mark Messier, Ron Francis, Igor Larionov, Al Macinnis and Scott Stevens are in.
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Trevor Hoffman?
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