College FB - The Wisconsin Badgers Deserve Better

Jadow · 11-11-06, 05:57 PM

They are now 10-1, their only loss coming to Michigan, and they only ranked 16 and not really in BCS contention.

They will be 11-1 after next week, and definitely deserve a BCS game.

The Cow · 11-11-06, 06:10 PM

Not until they schedule some good out of conference games. They fall into the easy schedule zone.

das Monkey · 11-11-06, 06:31 PM

Nope. Sorry. They're the 3rd best team in their conference, and their 4 non-conference opponents have a total of 6 division I victories: Temple (1-9), Kent State, Air Force, Buffalo (2-8), Ohio, Eastern Michigan (1-8). I've bet money on Wisconsin for like 7 straight weeks, and they always do me right, but they've only beaten 2 teams with winning records against div I opponents (both 5-4), and they're 3rd place in their own conference. No.

das

movielib · 11-11-06, 06:47 PM

They get to not play Ohio State this year (not their fault, of course) or they'd have two losses. Plus, they barely beat a weaker than usual Iowa team and a perennially bad Illinois team.

The Zizz · 11-11-06, 07:22 PM

They actually cannot go to a BCS game. Only 2 teams from a conference can go to BCS games, and the winner of the Michigan/OSU game goes to the championship, and loser will go to the Rose Bowl (you surely wouldn't argue that Wisconsin is better than Michigan or Ohio State). So, there simply isn't any sense in arguing about their status in any way--they'll go to the Capital One bowl, and if they win they'll finish the season in the top 10.

Arpeggi · 11-11-06, 07:37 PM

No, they are straight-up garbage.

The Cow · 11-11-06, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Arpeggi

No, they are straight-up garbage.

Damn, you post a bunch of shit. What teams do you follow?

twikoff · 11-11-06, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by das Monkey

Nope. Sorry. They're the 3rd best team in their conference, and their 4 non-conference opponents have a total of 6 division I victories: Temple (1-9), Kent State, Air Force, Buffalo (2-8), Ohio, Eastern Michigan (1-8). I've bet money on Wisconsin for like 7 straight weeks, and they always do me right, but they've only beaten 2 teams with winning records against div I opponents (both 5-4), and they're 3rd place in their own conference. No.

das

yep, what he said ^^^
beating 2 5-4 bcs conf teams doesnt make you worthy of a bcs bowl

ignition · 11-12-06, 11:18 AM

And don't forget that if Penn State had any sort of offense at all they might have very well suffered a second loss last weekend (good thing for the Badgers that the Nittany Lions have an offense easily compared to the one of Sister Mary's school for girls).

kenbuzz · 11-13-06, 06:42 AM

If the Big 10 had a championship game, Wisconsin would likely win the Big 10 "West" and face the Ohio State-Michigan winner next week at the RCA Dome in Indianapolis. If they won the championship, they would earn an automatic bid into the BCS Championship Tourney that doesn't exist either.

Sorry Wisconsin, but you've been jobbed by a system that refuses to let teams settle matters on the field. Petition to change it and you'll be able to punch your own ticket to a title rather than be dependent on the whims of "expert" voters.

matta · 11-13-06, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by kenbuzz

If the Big 10 had a championship game, Wisconsin would likely win the Big 10 "West" and face the Ohio State-Michigan winner next week at the RCA Dome in Indianapolis. If they won the championship, they would earn an automatic bid into the BCS Championship Tourney that doesn't exist either.

If Wisconsin won-out then beat the winner of the OSU/Michigan game, I bet they'd make it into the NC game even as the system stands now.

namja · 11-13-06, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by kenbuzz

Sorry Wisconsin, but you've been jobbed by a system that refuses to let teams settle matters on the field. Petition to change it and you'll be able to punch your own ticket to a title rather than be dependent on the whims of "expert" voters.

Actually, Wisconsin can't blame the system for not letting teams settle matters on the field. Wisconsin LOST to Michigan ON THE FIELD, or did you miss that part?

das Monkey · 11-13-06, 09:18 AM

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• kenbuzz •

Sorry Wisconsin, but you've been jobbed by a system that refuses to let teams settle matters on the field. Petition to change it and you'll be able to punch your own ticket to a title rather than be dependent on the whims of "expert" voters.

You're stretching your endless crusade against the BCS even further than usual here. Wisconsin isn't getting jobbed by anyone. And for that matter, they did "settle matters on the field" on September 23.

das

The Zizz · 11-13-06, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by kenbuzz

If the Big 10 had a championship game, Wisconsin would likely win the Big 10 "West" and face the Ohio State-Michigan winner next week at the RCA Dome in Indianapolis. If they won the championship, they would earn an automatic bid into the BCS Championship Tourney that doesn't exist either.

Sorry Wisconsin, but you've been jobbed by a system that refuses to let teams settle matters on the field. Petition to change it and you'll be able to punch your own ticket to a title rather than be dependent on the whims of "expert" voters.

Wisconsin benefitted from their Big-Ten schedule working out this year such that they didn't have to play Ohio State and thus are able to finish with only one loss instead of two.
Nice out-of-conference schedule for Wisconsin this year: Bowling Green, Western Illinois, San Diego State, and Buffalo coming up.

joe liquor · 11-13-06, 11:02 AM

Nice out of conference schedule for Michigan too.

With the exception of ND, who isn't that good, Michigan had a bunch of cream puffs out of conference too. The ND game is only played b/c of history and the money these days. If Michigan could play Eastern Illinois and make the same money they would.

Is Wisconsin better than OSU or Michigan...no, but the 3rd best team in the Big Ten is easily better than what the Big East fans think should be going to the national championship game.

I hope sometime in my lifetime we get a playoff system.

movielib · 11-13-06, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by joe liquor

Nice out of conference schedule for Michigan too.

With the exception of ND, who isn't that good, Michigan had a bunch of cream puffs out of conference too. The ND game is only played b/c of history and the money these days. If Michigan could play Eastern Illinois and make the same money they would.

Is Wisconsin better than OSU or Michigan...no, but the 3rd best team in the Big Ten is easily better than what the Big East fans think should be going to the national championship game.

I hope sometime in my lifetime we get a playoff system.

Personally, I think both Ohio State and Michigan should meet again for the national title regardless of who wins on Saturday. They are the only serious contenders who have remained undefeated thus far. The only reason one will lose a game is that they must play each other.

I also long for a playoff system.

das Monkey · 11-13-06, 11:33 AM

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• joe liquor •

Nice out of conference schedule for Michigan too.

With the exception of ND, who isn't that good, Michigan had a bunch of cream puffs out of conference too. The ND game is only played b/c of history and the money these days. If Michigan could play Eastern Illinois and make the same money they would.

Yeah, that's great. If wishes and buts ... Michigan goes on the road and owns a pretty solid Notre Dame team and then thumps Wisconsin the next week. How are they even in this argument?

das

matta · 11-13-06, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by movielib

Personally, I think both Ohio State and Michigan should meet again for the national title regardless of who wins on Saturday. They are the only serious contenders who have remained undefeated thus far. The only reason one will lose a game is that they must play each other.

I also long for a playoff system.

The biggest problem I have with an OSU/UM rematch is if they go 1-1. If OSU (or Michigan) wins both games, you have a clear winner. If they each win a game, then you still get an "official" winner, but the other team will still complain about winning the first game and the need for best 2-out-of-3.

Quake1028 · 11-13-06, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by joe liquor

Nice out of conference schedule for Michigan too.

With the exception of ND, who isn't that good, Michigan had a bunch of cream puffs out of conference too. The ND game is only played b/c of history and the money these days. If Michigan could play Eastern Illinois and make the same money they would.

Is Wisconsin better than OSU or Michigan...no, but the 3rd best team in the Big Ten is easily better than what the Big East fans think should be going to the national championship game.

I hope sometime in my lifetime we get a playoff system.

I would take a fully healty team from WVU, Rutgers and Louisville over Wisconsin.

matta · 11-13-06, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Quake1028

I would take a fully healty team from WVU, Rutgers and Louisville over Wisconsin.

I'd go with you on 2 of the 3. Of course the one I wouldn't take is the only one that's still undefeated, so what do I know?

movielib · 11-13-06, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by matta

The biggest problem I have with an OSU/UM rematch is if they go 1-1. If OSU (or Michigan) wins both games, you have a clear winner. If they each win a game, then you still get an "official" winner, but the other team will still complain about winning the first game and the need for best 2-out-of-3.

No problem, the one that wins the National Title Game is #1. Lots of teams lose games or season series in the regular season to teams they beat in the World Series, Super Bowl, NBA Championship BB NCAA Tournament etc. The Title Game is the title game.

Red Dog · 11-13-06, 01:02 PM

If Michigan wins on the road, a rematch is totally unnecessary. The only way a rematch is somewhat palatable is if OSU wins by a FG or less or in OT.

However, if a rematch maximizes the number of people bitching, that works for me.

joe liquor · 11-13-06, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Quake1028

I would take a fully healty team from WVU, Rutgers and Louisville over Wisconsin.

I have to disagree but everyone has their opinions.

And to answer Das...ND really isn't in the discussion. I'm just pointing out that Michigan played cream puffs out of conference too. Sorry, but I dont' think ND is that special.

Wisconsin's SOS has kept them down this year. I don't disagree with that. I do think that the Top 3 in the Big Ten and SEC are better than what the Big East has to offer though.

Playing Auburn in a rematch at the Cap One Bowl scares me though. They are a bit bitter from last year.

Lunatikk · 11-13-06, 01:08 PM

wisconsin should have scheduled better OOC competition in a year that they knew well ahead of time that they didnt have to face OSU. too bad.

joe liquor · 11-13-06, 01:13 PM

What a brilliant deduction. You are a BCS voter aren't you?

11-11-06, 06:31 PM	#3
das Monkey DVD Talk Hero Join Date: May 1999 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 35,881	Nope. Sorry. They're the 3rd best team in their conference, and their 4 non-conference opponents have a total of 6 division I victories: Temple (1-9), Kent State, Air Force, Buffalo (2-8), Ohio, Eastern Michigan (1-8). I've bet money on Wisconsin for like 7 straight weeks, and they always do me right, but they've only beaten 2 teams with winning records against div I opponents (both 5-4), and they're 3rd place in their own conference. No. das __________________ DragonCon 2004 - 2005 - Lost in Hawaii - DVD Reviews You are not* entitled to your own opinion. You are only entitled to your own informed opinion.** -- Harlan Ellison quoting Gustave Flaubert

11-11-06, 06:47 PM	#4
movielib DVD Talk Hero Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Madison, WI ("77 square miles surrounded by reality") Posts: 27,160	They get to not play Ohio State this year (not their fault, of course) or they'd have two losses. Plus, they barely beat a weaker than usual Iowa team and a perennially bad Illinois team. __________________ "What I 'dislike' the most is that I find myself agreeing with you more than anyone else on this forum. Damn, that sucks." - DeputyDave

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11-13-06, 06:42 AM	#10
kenbuzz DVD Talk Legend Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Bloomington, IN Who Dey! Posts: 13,870	If the Big 10 had a championship game, Wisconsin would likely win the Big 10 "West" and face the Ohio State-Michigan winner next week at the RCA Dome in Indianapolis. If they won the championship, they would earn an automatic bid into the BCS Championship Tourney that doesn't exist either. Sorry Wisconsin, but you've been jobbed by a system that refuses to let teams settle matters on the field. Petition to change it and you'll be able to punch your own ticket to a title rather than be dependent on the whims of "expert" voters. __________________ Keep your head down and mind your own business. As long as it's not hurting you, who cares what anybody else does? - Nazgul 8-10-08 Sweed goes down with an achillies injury. As a Steelers fan, this is great news. - Tarantino, 5-02-10 If Tebow beats the Steelers today, I will post a pic of me Tebow'ing in one of my Pittsburgh jerseys. - Tarantino, 1-08-12

11-13-06, 01:02 PM	#22
Red Dog DVD Talk God Join Date: Feb 2000 Location: Directionally Challenged (for DirecTV) Posts: 104,581	If Michigan wins on the road, a rematch is totally unnecessary. The only way a rematch is somewhat palatable is if OSU wins by a FG or less or in OT. However, if a rematch maximizes the number of people bitching, that works for me. __________________ "A question for you. Would you rather Bucknell make the NCAA's once every 20 years or so and get ass raped by teams like Kansas in the first round or have them drop down a rung to a confernce where they can compete for a title?" - Josh Hinkle 1st Round Final Scores: Bucknell 64 Kansas 63 \| Bucknell 59 Arkansas 55

11-11-06, 05:57 PM	#1
Jadow Suspended pending providing a working email address Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 461	College FB - The Wisconsin Badgers Deserve Better They are now 10-1, their only loss coming to Michigan, and they only ranked 16 and not really in BCS contention. They will be 11-1 after next week, and definitely deserve a BCS game.

11-11-06, 06:10 PM	#2
The Cow DVD Talk Legend Join Date: Jan 2000 Location: Grazing in a field somewhere... Posts: 17,334	Not until they schedule some good out of conference games. They fall into the easy schedule zone.

11-11-06, 07:22 PM	#5
The Zizz DVD Talk Platinum Edition Join Date: Mar 1999 Posts: 3,391	They actually cannot go to a BCS game. Only 2 teams from a conference can go to BCS games, and the winner of the Michigan/OSU game goes to the championship, and loser will go to the Rose Bowl (you surely wouldn't argue that Wisconsin is better than Michigan or Ohio State). So, there simply isn't any sense in arguing about their status in any way--they'll go to the Capital One bowl, and if they win they'll finish the season in the top 10.

11-11-06, 07:37 PM	#6
Arpeggi DVD Talk Limited Edition Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: CALI! Posts: 6,591	No, they are straight-up garbage.

11-13-06, 11:02 AM	#15
joe liquor Senior Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: Section 529, Wrigley Field Posts: 883	Nice out of conference schedule for Michigan too. With the exception of ND, who isn't that good, Michigan had a bunch of cream puffs out of conference too. The ND game is only played b/c of history and the money these days. If Michigan could play Eastern Illinois and make the same money they would. Is Wisconsin better than OSU or Michigan...no, but the 3rd best team in the Big Ten is easily better than what the Big East fans think should be going to the national championship game. I hope sometime in my lifetime we get a playoff system.

11-13-06, 01:08 PM	#24
Lunatikk DVD Talk Limited Edition Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: My Car Posts: 6,571	wisconsin should have scheduled better OOC competition in a year that they knew well ahead of time that they didnt have to face OSU. too bad.

11-13-06, 01:13 PM	#25
joe liquor Senior Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: Section 529, Wrigley Field Posts: 883	What a brilliant deduction. You are a BCS voter aren't you?