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List has been updated through Super Bowl LI: New England Patriots over Atlanta Falcons 34-28 (OT) - February 5th, 2017

Seasons: City (Last Champion) [leagues]
111: San Diego ('63 Chargers (AFL)) [MLB] (includes 53 seasons as home to Chargers, 4 seasons as home to Clippers, and 6 seasons as home to Rockets)
103: Buffalo ('65 Bills (AFL)) [NHL, NFL]
91: Minneapolis ('91 Twins) [ALL]
85: Washington ('91 Redskins) [ALL]
75: Atlanta ('95 Braves) [NBA, MLB, NFL] (includes 11 seasons as home to Thrashers)
66: Canada (all cities) ('93 Blue Jays) [NHL, NBA, MLB]
59: Houston ('95 Rockets) [NBA, MLB, NFL]
59: Phoenix ('01 Diamondbacks) [ALL]
52: Cincinnati ('90 Reds) [MLB, NFL]
47: Charlotte [NBA, NFL]
41: Philadelphia ('06 Phillies) [ALL]
39: (*)Nashville [NHL, NFL]
39: Portland ('77 Trailblazers) [NBA]
38: (*) Tampa ('04 Lightning) [NHL, MLB, NFL]
37: Salt Lake City [NBA]
34: Detroit ('08 Red Wings) [ALL]
31: Sacramento [NBA]
27: Orlando [NBA]
25: San Jose [NHL]
23: Columbus [NHL] (includes 7 seasons as home to the Panhandles/Tigers)
22: Jacksonville [NFL]
22: Dallas ('11 Mavericks) [ALL]
19: Indianapolis ('06 Colts) [NBA, NFL]
19: New York ('11 Giants) [ALL]
18: (*)Wisconsin ('10 Packers) [NBA, MLB, NFL]
16: Memphis [NBA] (includes 1 season as home to the Tennessee Oilers)
16: (*)Miami ('13 Heat) [ALL]
15: St Louis ('11 Cardinals) [NHL, MLB] (includes 4 seasons as home to the Rams)
13: New Orleans ('09 Saints) [NBA, NFL]
10: Oklahoma City [NBA] (includes 2 seasons as home to the NO/OKC Hornets)
10: Raleigh ('06 Hurricanes) [NHL]
10: Baltimore ('12 Ravens) [MLB, NFL]
8: Los Angeles ('14 Kings) [ALL]
7: Seattle ('13 Seahawks) [MLB, NFL]
7: San Francisco ('14 Giants) [MLB, NFL]
5: Oakland ('15 Warriors) [NBA, MLB, NFL]
4: Denver ('15 Broncos) [ALL]
3: (*)Kansas City ('15 Royals) [MLB, NFL]
2: San Antonio ('14 Spurs) [NBA]
2: Pittsburgh ('16 Penguins) [NHL, MLB, NFL]
2: Cleveland ('16 Cavaliers) [NBA, MLB, NFL]
1: Chicago ('16 Cubs) [ALL]
0: Boston ('16 Patriots) [ALL]

(*) - City moved up at least one place in the standings in the most recent update.

Ties are broken in favor of cities that have never won a championship, then by cities that have had the most time elapse since their last championship.

In the above, I lump teams that are in the same market together. Thus, the Giants, Jets, Devils, Rangers, Islanders, Nets, Knicks, Yankees and Mets are all "New York". I consider the AFL to be an equivalent "major" league from 1960-65 since they had their own championship prior to playing the NFL champion in what would become the SuperBowl following the 1966 season. Also, I show AFL/NFL champions in the year the season was played, regardless of whether the championship occurred in December or January of the following year. Currently, the championships occur in this order: NHL, NBA, MLB, NFL; prior to the 2006, the NBA Finals occured prior to the Stanley Cup.

The list does NOT include cities who have had major league teams in the past but who are sports-less today (like Fort Wayne, Rochester and Omaha). The list also lumps all of Canada together and treats it as one "city".

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Old 06-07-07, 03:50 PM   #51
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kenbuzz -- I think it's a typo and your numbers are still correct, but Canada's last title was the '93 Blue Jays, not '03.
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Only the four current major leagues plus the AFL.
Four current major leagues? Let's see: MLB, NFL, NBA ... is there another one? Let's see.... women's softball makes it onto ESPN.... men's lacrosse is on ESPN2... major league soccer is on Fox Sports Net.... then there's some game played on ice that has it's championship on some random cable channel that 80% of the country doesn't get...

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Old 06-15-07, 09:21 AM   #54
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San Antiono sweeps Cleveland (ha!) for the 2007 NBA Crown

Seasons: City (Last Champion) [leagues]
120: Cleveland ('64 Browns) [NBA, MLB, NFL]
96: San Diego ('63 Chargers (AFL)) [MLB, NFL]
96: Philadelphia ('83 76ers) [ALL]
85: Buffalo ('65 Bills (AFL)) [NHL, NFL]
84: Seattle ('79 Supersonics) [NBA, MLB, NFL]
72: Milwaukee ('71 Bucks) [NBA, MLB]
55: Minneapolis ('91 Twins) [ALL]
48: Washington ('91 Redskins) [ALL]
47: New Orleans [NBA, NFL]
47: Oakland ('89 Athletics) [NBA, MLB, NFL]
43: Kansas City ('85 Royals) [MLB, NFL]
42: Atlanta ('95 Braves) [ALL]
38: Canada (all cities) ('93 Blue Jays) [NHL, NBA, MLB]
33: Cincinnati ('90 Reds) [MLB, NFL]
31: Houston ('95 Rockets) [NBA, MLB, NFL]
30: Portland ('77 Trail Blazers) [NBA]
30: Dallas ('00 Stars) [ALL]
29: Charlotte [NBA, NFL]
28: Salt Lake City [NBA]
24: San Francisco ('94 49ers) [MLB, NFL]
23: Denver ('01 Avalanche) [ALL]
22: Sacramento [NBA]
21: Phoenix ('01 Diamondbacks) [ALL]
18: Orlando [NBA]
17: Nashville [NHL, NFL]
15: San Jose [NHL]
15: New York ('03 Devils) [ALL]
12: Jacksonville [NFL]
12: Baltimore ('00 Ravens) [MLB, NFL]
12: Detroit ('04 Pistons) [ALL]
10: Green Bay ('96 Packers) [NFL]
9: Boston ('04 Patriots) [ALL]
8: Tampa ('04 Lightning) [NHL, MLB, NFL]
7: Memphis [NBA] (includes 1 season as home to the Tennessee Oilers)
7: Chicago ('05 White Sox) [ALL]
6: Columbus [NHL]
4: Pittsburgh ('05 Steelers) [NHL, MLB, NFL]
4: Miami ('06 Heat) [ALL]
2: St Louis ('06 Cardinals) [NHL, MLB, NFL]
1: Raleigh ('06 Hurricanes) [NHL]
1: Indianapolis ('06 Colts) [NBA, NFL]
1: Los Angeles ('07 Ducks) [NHL, NBA, MLB]
0: San Antonio ('07 Spurs) [NBA]

Ties are broken in favor of cities that have never won a championship, then by cities that have had the most time elapse since their last championship.
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Old 06-15-07, 09:21 AM   #55
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Here's the same list, ranked in terms of number of years since a championship, regardless of the number of teams playing in a given market.

1963 San Diego
1964 Cleveland
1965 Buffalo
1967 *New Orleans
1971 Milwaukee
1977 Portland
1979 Seattle
1979 *Salt Lake City
1983 Philadelphia
1985 *Sacramento
1985 Kansas City
1989 *Charlotte
1989 *Orlando
1989 Oakland
1990 Cincinnati
1991 *San Jose
1991 Minneapolis
1991 Washington
1993 Canada (all cities)
1994 San Francisco
1995 Houston
1995 Atlanta
1995 *Jacksonville
1996 Green Bay
1997 *Memphis
1998 *Nashville
2000 Dallas
2000 *Columbus
2000 Baltimore
2001 Denver
2001 Phoenix
2003 New York
2004 Detroit
2004 Tampa
2004 Boston
2005 Chicago
2005 Pittsburgh
2006 Miami
2006 Raliegh
2006 St Louis
2006 Indianapolis
2007 Los Angeles
2007 San Antonio

* = City has zero championships. Date is based on first professional season played there.
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kenbuzz -- I think it's a typo and your numbers are still correct, but Canada's last title was the '93 Blue Jays, not '03.
Yeah, you're right. I've fixed it.... thanks!
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8: Los Angeles ('02 Angels) [ALL]
How dare they call '02 Angels "Los Angeles"?! It was ANAHEIM Angels at that time!

And Ducks does not belong to Los Angeles, too!
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Don't suppose anyone wants to further that list into futility of even making the playoffs and/or getting to a championship? Nice work Kenbuzz
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How dare they call '02 Angels "Los Angeles"?! It was ANAHEIM Angels at that time!

And Ducks does not belong to Los Angeles, too!
Dude, please read the top of this thread. This is about metro markets - Anaheim's teams are included in the Los Angeles market.

There's been a lot of discussion on this topic.
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How dare they call '02 Angels "Los Angeles"?! It was ANAHEIM Angels at that time!

And Ducks does not belong to Los Angeles, too!
I'd rather it say the Lakers if you're going to use a team to represent 02.
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Well, excuse me for hating Los Angeles. I stopped support Angels because they changed from Anaheim to Los Angeles. It's just that there's a certain rival between Los Angeles County & Orange County.
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Assuming that neither San Diego nor Philadelphia win the World Series or Super Bowl XLII, Philly will have a chance to pass San Diego into sole posession of 2nd place following next year's Stanley Cup Finals.
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The Canadian "lumping" has an error in it.
1993 for the Blue Jays and Habs.

And for including any Canadian cities you could just list Toronto. Blue Jays and Leafs. The only real 2 sport Canadian city now that the Expo's are gone.
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The Canadian "lumping" has an error in it.
1993 for the Blue Jays and Habs.
What's the error, again? I didn't understand your post.
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What's the error, again? I didn't understand your post.

He means you didn't list the Canadiens (the Habs) for NHL.
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Well, excuse me for hating Los Angeles. I stopped support Angels because they changed from Anaheim to Los Angeles.

Ditto.

I don't want to have anything to do with that shithole called LA.
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What's the error, again? I didn't understand your post.
You list it as ought 3 instead of 1993.

And yes you missed the Habs. And in retrospect wildcat saw it to.
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Uhhh..... the Ducks won the Stanley Cup just a couple of week ago. Are you arguing over an entry in a list that was made a year ago and that is obsolete now by the current list? If so, I'd recommend reading the entire thread, not just posts made a year ago. Or you can just read the first post, it was updated 3 days before your most recent reply.

I also point out that the Habs' championship was after the 1992-93 season, with them winning Game 5 of the Stanley Cup Finals, and the series 4-1, on 24 May 93. The Jays' won Game 6 of the 1993 World Series beating Philadelphia 8-6 in SkyDome on Joe Carter's walk-off 3-run HR on 23 Oct 93. Thus the Blue Jays are Canada's most recent championship team.... which to my knowledge is what the list shows.

The original list showed Blue Jays '03, which was a typographical error that wildcat helped bring to light. Nevertheless, the Jays are still the most recent Canadian champion. What is the point you are trying to make?

I'm happy to update this to correct mistakes, as you can see if you scroll back through this thread. That said, complaints about errors that are typographical in nature rather than factually based are unwelcomed... particularly those that are fixed prior to the complaintant posting a gripe. Please be a contributor, not a critic.
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I think the list you keep updated is a great idea. Better to see you do it well rather than have it attempted multiple times by people who will not put in the effort or the time you obviously have.

And for no other reason than the amount of information you have had to do and redo some things will be missed. But as an Expos fan, a Hab's fan (one of my last personal hilites) for a long time and a Canadian the year, the omission and the lumping of the country seemed worth mentioning. And I skipped the last few posts assuming the error was not yet corrected as it had been in place for quite a time. Certainly my error there.

As for:

"That said, complaints about errors that are typographical in nature rather than factually based are unwelcomed... particularly those that are fixed prior to the complaintant posting a gripe. Please be a contributor, not a critic."

In my posts I neither deride you nor your list. We have almost no history here but you have seen me around. Posts like yours are often one of the reasons I am not here more. Assume less that people are attacking you or your work. 'Cause they probably aren't.

For you not wishing to correct certain errors I do not clearly understand your meaning, since the time you have put in indicates your wish to have this list reflect the best truth possible. I'll assume there is some typographical error in it I am not seeing.
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Assuming that neither San Diego nor Philadelphia win the World Series or Super Bowl XLII, Philly will have a chance to pass San Diego into sole posession of 2nd place following next year's Stanley Cup Finals.

What if the Padres and Eagles both win? Would it blow your mind?
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And I skipped the last few posts assuming the error was not yet corrected as it had been in place for quite a time. Certainly my error there.
Thank you for being a stand-up guy. Some folks here aren't.
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As for:

"That said, complaints about errors that are typographical in nature rather than factually based are unwelcomed... particularly those that are fixed prior to the complaintant posting a gripe. Please be a contributor, not a critic."

In my posts I neither deride you nor your list. We have almost no history here but you have seen me around. Posts like yours are often one of the reasons I am not here more. Assume less that people are attacking you or your work. 'Cause they probably aren't.
It's hard to intuit your meaning when one of your first contributions to this thread was

The Canadian "lumping" has an error in it.
1993 for the Blue Jays and Habs.


Sure seemed like a critical comment to me. Maybe I'm thin-skinned, but there have been a lot of mini-threads here about "lumping" teams, and I honestly thought I covered the Canadian issue months ago when I wrote:
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Canada: I can't come up with any other way to do this other than to list ALL of the Canadian cities individually. Since most of them are one-team towns, and since most of the country tends to rally behind the one team that's gone the farthest in whichever post-season is being competed at the time, I have no significant problem with lumping all of the Great White North's teams into one "market".
The additional comment about the Jays and Habs made it look like you weren't aware that the list only tracks the most recent champion... and that the Habs' championship wasn't the most recent.
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Thanks for the response.

I simply stole the word "lumping" from your quote above. And the choice is understandable with only 8 major sports teams in Canada.

Until the NHL fixes up, there are only 2 major sports teams in Canada.
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I just caught a minor error. Phoenix had been reported as having gone 21 seasons since the Diamondbacks won the World Series in 2001. The actual count should be 22. Here are the champions since the 2001 World Series

2001 NFL Patriots
2002 NBA Lakers / NHL Red Wings / MLB Angels / NFL Buccaneers
2003 NBA Spurs / NHL Devils / MLB Marlins / NFL Patriots
2004 NBA Pistons / NHL Lightning / MLB Red Sox / NFL Patriots
2005 NBA Spurs / NHL (none) / MLB White Sox / NFL Steelers
2006 NHL Hurricanes / NBA Heat / MLB Cardinals / NFL Colts
2007 NHL Ducks / NBA Spurs

No NHL Playoffs in 2005. NBA finished after NHL starting in 2006.

Not sure how Phoenix's count got off, but it's fixed now:

Seasons: City (Last Champion) [leagues]
120: Cleveland ('64 Browns) [NBA, MLB, NFL]
96: San Diego ('63 Chargers (AFL)) [MLB, NFL]
96: Philadelphia ('83 76ers) [ALL]
85: Buffalo ('65 Bills (AFL)) [NHL, NFL]
84: Seattle ('79 Supersonics) [NBA, MLB, NFL]
72: Milwaukee ('71 Bucks) [NBA, MLB]
55: Minneapolis ('91 Twins) [ALL]
48: Washington ('91 Redskins) [ALL]
47: New Orleans [NBA, NFL]
47: Oakland ('89 Athletics) [NBA, MLB, NFL]
43: Kansas City ('85 Royals) [MLB, NFL]
42: Atlanta ('95 Braves) [ALL]
38: Canada (all cities) ('93 Blue Jays) [NHL, NBA, MLB]
33: Cincinnati ('90 Reds) [MLB, NFL]
31: Houston ('95 Rockets) [NBA, MLB, NFL]
30: Portland ('77 Trail Blazers) [NBA]
30: Dallas ('00 Stars) [ALL]
29: Charlotte [NBA, NFL]
28: Salt Lake City [NBA]
24: San Francisco ('94 49ers) [MLB, NFL]
23: Denver ('01 Avalanche) [ALL]
22: Sacramento [NBA]
22: Phoenix ('01 Diamondbacks) [ALL]
18: Orlando [NBA]
17: Nashville [NHL, NFL]
15: San Jose [NHL]
15: New York ('03 Devils) [ALL]
12: Jacksonville [NFL]
12: Baltimore ('00 Ravens) [MLB, NFL]
12: Detroit ('04 Pistons) [ALL]
10: Green Bay ('96 Packers) [NFL]
9: Boston ('04 Patriots) [ALL]
8: Tampa ('04 Lightning) [NHL, MLB, NFL]
7: Memphis [NBA] (includes 1 season as home to the Tennessee Oilers)
7: Chicago ('05 White Sox) [ALL]
6: Columbus [NHL]
4: Pittsburgh ('05 Steelers) [NHL, MLB, NFL]
4: Miami ('06 Heat) [ALL]
2: St Louis ('06 Cardinals) [NHL, MLB, NFL]
1: Raleigh ('06 Hurricanes) [NHL]
1: Indianapolis ('06 Colts) [NBA, NFL]
1: Los Angeles ('07 Ducks) [NHL, NBA, MLB]
0: San Antonio ('07 Spurs) [NBA]

Ties are broken in favor of cities that have never won a championship, then by cities that have had the most time elapse since their last championship.
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121 and counting for Cleveland....
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121 and counting for Cleveland....

Poor Cleveland. They get nothing and Boston gets everything (baseball, football, and even a good basketball team now).
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