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List has been updated through Super Bowl LI: New England Patriots over Atlanta Falcons 34-28 (OT) - February 5th, 2017

Seasons: City (Last Champion) [leagues]
111: San Diego ('63 Chargers (AFL)) [MLB] (includes 53 seasons as home to Chargers, 4 seasons as home to Clippers, and 6 seasons as home to Rockets)
103: Buffalo ('65 Bills (AFL)) [NHL, NFL]
91: Minneapolis ('91 Twins) [ALL]
85: Washington ('91 Redskins) [ALL]
75: Atlanta ('95 Braves) [NBA, MLB, NFL] (includes 11 seasons as home to Thrashers)
66: Canada (all cities) ('93 Blue Jays) [NHL, NBA, MLB]
59: Houston ('95 Rockets) [NBA, MLB, NFL]
59: Phoenix ('01 Diamondbacks) [ALL]
52: Cincinnati ('90 Reds) [MLB, NFL]
47: Charlotte [NBA, NFL]
41: Philadelphia ('06 Phillies) [ALL]
39: (*)Nashville [NHL, NFL]
39: Portland ('77 Trailblazers) [NBA]
38: (*) Tampa ('04 Lightning) [NHL, MLB, NFL]
37: Salt Lake City [NBA]
34: Detroit ('08 Red Wings) [ALL]
31: Sacramento [NBA]
27: Orlando [NBA]
25: San Jose [NHL]
23: Columbus [NHL] (includes 7 seasons as home to the Panhandles/Tigers)
22: Jacksonville [NFL]
22: Dallas ('11 Mavericks) [ALL]
19: Indianapolis ('06 Colts) [NBA, NFL]
19: New York ('11 Giants) [ALL]
18: (*)Wisconsin ('10 Packers) [NBA, MLB, NFL]
16: Memphis [NBA] (includes 1 season as home to the Tennessee Oilers)
16: (*)Miami ('13 Heat) [ALL]
15: St Louis ('11 Cardinals) [NHL, MLB] (includes 4 seasons as home to the Rams)
13: New Orleans ('09 Saints) [NBA, NFL]
10: Oklahoma City [NBA] (includes 2 seasons as home to the NO/OKC Hornets)
10: Raleigh ('06 Hurricanes) [NHL]
10: Baltimore ('12 Ravens) [MLB, NFL]
8: Los Angeles ('14 Kings) [ALL]
7: Seattle ('13 Seahawks) [MLB, NFL]
7: San Francisco ('14 Giants) [MLB, NFL]
5: Oakland ('15 Warriors) [NBA, MLB, NFL]
4: Denver ('15 Broncos) [ALL]
3: (*)Kansas City ('15 Royals) [MLB, NFL]
2: San Antonio ('14 Spurs) [NBA]
2: Pittsburgh ('16 Penguins) [NHL, MLB, NFL]
2: Cleveland ('16 Cavaliers) [NBA, MLB, NFL]
1: Chicago ('16 Cubs) [ALL]
0: Boston ('16 Patriots) [ALL]

(*) - City moved up at least one place in the standings in the most recent update.

Ties are broken in favor of cities that have never won a championship, then by cities that have had the most time elapse since their last championship.

In the above, I lump teams that are in the same market together. Thus, the Giants, Jets, Devils, Rangers, Islanders, Nets, Knicks, Yankees and Mets are all "New York". I consider the AFL to be an equivalent "major" league from 1960-65 since they had their own championship prior to playing the NFL champion in what would become the SuperBowl following the 1966 season. Also, I show AFL/NFL champions in the year the season was played, regardless of whether the championship occurred in December or January of the following year. Currently, the championships occur in this order: NHL, NBA, MLB, NFL; prior to the 2006, the NBA Finals occured prior to the Stanley Cup.

The list does NOT include cities who have had major league teams in the past but who are sports-less today (like Fort Wayne, Rochester and Omaha). The list also lumps all of Canada together and treats it as one "city".

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Old 01-22-07, 03:49 PM   #26
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Are you counting the seasons of teams that used to play in a city but have since left?

For example, does San Diego and Buffalo's total include the Clippers? Looks like they were in Buffalo (as the Braves) for 8 years and San Diego for 6.
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Curious about your Indy calculation of 61. You're not counting ABA titles, so do you start the Pacers count at the year they joined the NBA? The ABA folded in 76 and they joined the NBA= 30 years. Colts didn't get there until 1984 = 22 years. Or are you counting the Baltimore Colts in with the Indianapolis Colts?

The Pacers won the ABA title in 1973 = 33 years, so the most I could come up with is about 55.

May be all moot in 2 weeks...
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Old 01-23-07, 06:18 AM   #28
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Curious about your Indy calculation of 61. You're not counting ABA titles, so do you start the Pacers count at the year they joined the NBA? The ABA folded in 76 and they joined the NBA= 30 years. Colts didn't get there until 1984 = 22 years. Or are you counting the Baltimore Colts in with the Indianapolis Colts?
I do not count the ABA. Only the four current major leagues plus the AFL. You could include the ABA if you'd like, I just don't consider it major "enough", since, unlike the AFL-NFL merger, the ABA's absorption into the NBA didn't include all of the franchises. Ditto the WHA.

You're right about my Indy calculation being off. I should be counting only NBA years... I apparently made a mistake in my spreadsheet when I plugged 1967 as the Pacers' inagural year when it really should have been 1976 (when they joined the NBA). I'll doublecheck all of the former ABA cities who saw their teams merge into the NBA (Nets, Nuggets, and Spurs) to see if there are any other similar mistakes. Thanks!
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Update: The only change due to my ABA miscalculation is to Indianapolis. The Pacers have played in the NBA since 1976-77, which reflects 30 years without a championship. I had previously used 1967-68 as the Pacers first year, which added 9 seasons to the count, and was wrong anyway since the Pacers won 3 ABA championships (1969-70, 1971-72 and 1972-73). But all that is moot anyway since I'm not supposed to be including the ABA in my figures. For Indianapolis right now, it's 22 Colt seasons plus 30 Pacer seasons = 52 (pending Super Bowl XLI).

The other three ABA cities aren't affected by this, since all three markets have won a championship at least once since the NBA took the four ABA teams for the 1976-77 season.
  • New Jersey Jets (New York market) -> NHL Devils, 2003
  • Denver Nuggets -> NHL Avalanche, 2001
  • San Antonio Spurs -> NBA Spurs, 2005
I'll update everything and repost, but the only change I expect to see should be to Indianapolis, who will drop from 61 seasons to 52 seasons, putting them between Minneapolis and New Orleans, 8th overall,
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Old 01-23-07, 06:37 AM   #30
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Are you counting the seasons of teams that used to play in a city but have since left?

For example, does San Diego and Buffalo's total include the Clippers? Looks like they were in Buffalo (as the Braves) for 8 years and San Diego for 6.
I should. The original calculations were done last year, so as I'm fixing the Pacer/ABA/NBA issue, I'll doublecheck the Clippers. In fact, I'll doublecheck ALL of the data.
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Old 01-23-07, 09:26 AM   #31
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Damn - I knew we were dying for a Championship team in San Diego for a reason!

No wonder radio stations were holding rallies for the Chargers and the city was preparing for a Super Bowl parade about 2 weeks early... We're all just dying to see it happen!

Marty better get it done with the Chargers next year, because as experienced as this Padres pitching staff is the team doesn't have enough bats to win a World Series.
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About my choice of "lumping" different teams into the same markets...

New York metro: If I break the NJ Devils/Nets apart into their own market, then I have to take the two NFL teams as well, since their stadium is right across the parking lot from Continental Arena. I feel that the issues related to taking the Giants and Jets OUT of the New York market would far outweigh any issues related to placing the Nets and Devils INTO that market. So, like it or not, NY/NJ stays lumped.

Bay Area: Not an easy one. San Francisco and Oakland both have MLB and NFL teams, Oakland is home to the region's only NBA franchise, and San Jose hosts the only NHL team. If I make any changes to the listing, I would combine all three of these into a single market.

Carolina: Frankly, my ignorance of North Carolina geography made me assume that the Hurricanes (Raleigh) and Bobcats/Panthers (Charlotte) were neighbors. Now that I realize that there is significant distance between the two towns, I'm STILL going to lump them together since there is no overlap between leagues and since the three teams are generally supporting the same larger market. I realize that this also tends to lend credence to my thought that the Bay Area should be combined.

Canada: I can't come up with any other way to do this other than to list ALL of the Canadian cities individually. Since most of them are one-team towns, and since most of the country tends to rally behind the one team that's gone the farthest in whichever post-season is being competed at the time, I have no significant problem with lumping all of the Great White North's teams into one "market".

Washington/Baltimore: I tend to agree that these markets should be lumped, but both cities are large enough to stand alone without the other. I need to give it some more thought.
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Old 01-23-07, 09:56 AM   #33
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Here's the update, with footnotes to show where corrections have been made:

Here's the current list:
Seasons: City (Last Champion) [leagues]
119: Cleveland ('64 Browns) [NBA, MLB, NFL] (Note 1)
94: Philadelphia ('83 76ers) [ALL]
92: San Diego ('63 Chargers (AFL)) [MLB, NFL] (Note 2)
84: Buffalo ('65 Bills (AFL)) [NHL, NFL] (Note 3)
83: Seattle ('79 Supersonics) [NBA, MLB, NFL] (Note 4)
71: Milwaukee ('71 Bucks) [NBA, MLB]
63: Minneapolis ('91 Twins) [ALL] (Note 5)
52: Indianapolis [NBA, NFL] (Note 6)
46: New Orleans [NBA, NFL] (Note 7)
46: Oakland ('89 Athletics) [NBA, MLB, NFL]
46: Washington ('91 Redskins) [ALL]
43: Kansas City ('85 Royals) [MLB, NFL]
40: Atlanta ('95 Braves) [ALL] (Note 8)
36: Canada (all cities) ('03 Blue Jays) [NHL, NBA, MLB]
33: Cincinnati ('90 Reds) [MLB, NFL]
30: Houston ('95 Rockets) [NBA, MLB, NFL] (Note 9)
29: Portland ('77 Trail Blazers) [NBA]
28: Dallas ('00 Stars) [ALL] (Note 10)
27: Salt Lake City [NBA]
24: San Francisco ('94 49ers) [MLB, NFL] (Note 11)
21: Denver ('01 Avalanche) [ALL]
21: Sacramento [NBA]
20: Phoenix ('01 Diamondbacks) [ALL]
17: Orlando [NBA]
16: Nashville [NHL, NFL] (Note 12)
14: San Jose [NHL]
13: New York ('03 Devils) [ALL]
12: Baltimore ('00 Ravens) [MLB, NFL]
12: Jacksonville [NFL]
11: Los Angeles ('02 Angels) [ALL] (Note 13)
10: Detroit ('04 Pistons) [ALL]
10: Green Bay ('96 Packers) [NFL]
7: Boston ('04 Patriots) [ALL]
7: Tampa ('04 Lightning) [NHL, MLB, NFL]
6: Memphis [NBA] (includes 1 season as home to the Tennessee Oilers)
5: Columbus [NHL]
4: Chicago ('05 White Sox) [ALL]
3: Pittsburgh ('05 Steelers) [NHL, MLB, NFL]
2: Carolina (all cities) ('06 Hurricanes) [NBA, NHL, NFL]
2: Miami ('06 Heat) [ALL]
1: San Antonio ('05 Spurs) [NBA]
1: St Louis ('06 Cardinals) [NHL, MLB, NFL]

Footnotes:
  1. Added 2 seasons for 1976-78 NHL Barons, corrected NFL miscount. Breakdown since 1964 NFL Championship is... NHL Barons (1976-78, 2 seasons) + NBA Cavaliers (1970-pres, 36 seasons) + MLB Indians (1965-pres, 42 seasons) + NFL Browns I (1965-95, 31 seasons) + NFL Browns II (1999-pres, 8 seasons) = 119.
  2. Added 6 seasons for 1978-84 NBA Clippers. Breakdown since 1963 AFL Championship is... NBA Clippers (1978-84, 6 seasons) + MLB Padres (1964-pres, 43 seasons) + AFL/NFL Chargers (1964-pres, 43 seasons) = 92.
  3. Added 8 seasons for 1970-78 NBA Braves. Breakdown since 1965 AFL Championship is... NHL Sabres (1970-pres, 35* seasons) + NBA Braves (1970-78, 8 seasons) + AFL/NFL Bills (1966-pres, 41 seasons) = 84. (* = no 2004-05 NHL season).
  4. Corrected NBA miscount. Breakdown since 1978-79 NBA Championship is... NBA SuperSonics (1979-pres, 27 seasons) + MLB Mariners (1979-pres, 28 seasons) + NFL Seahawks (1979-pres, 28 seasons) = 83.
  5. Corrected NHL miscount. Breakdown since 1991 MLB Championship is...NHL North Stars (1991-93, 2 seasons) + NHL Wild (2000-pres, 5* seasons) + NBA Timberwolves (1991-pres, 15 seasons) + MLB Twins (1992-pres, 15 seasons) + NFL Vikings (1991-pres, 16 seasons) = 53. (* = no 2004-05 NHL season).
  6. Corrected NBA miscount. Breakdown of Indianapolis pro seasons (no championships) is... NBA Pacers (1976-pres, 30 seasons) + NFL Colts (1984-pres, 22** Seasons) = 52. (pending Super Bowl XLI result).
  7. Corrected NBA miscount. Breakdown of New Orleans pro seasons (no championships) is...: NBA Jazz (1974-79, 5 seasons) + NBA Hornets (2005-pres, 1 season) + NFL Saints (1967-pres, 40 seasons). TOTAL = 46.
  8. Corrected NHL miscount. Breakdown since 1995 MLB Championship is... NHL Thrashers (1999-pres, 6* seasons) + NBA Hawks (1996-pres, 11 seasons) + MLB Braves (1996-pres, 11 seasons) + NFL Falcons (1995-pres, 12 seasons) = 40. (* = no 2004-05 NHL season).
  9. Added 2 seasons for 1995-96 NFL Oilers. Breakdown since 1994-95 NBA Championship is... NBA Rockets (1995-pres, 11 seasons) + MLB Astros (1995-pres, 12 seasons) + NFL Oilers (1995-96, 2 seasons), + NFL Texans (2002-pres, 5 seasons). TOTAL = 30.
  10. Corrected NHL miscount. Breakdown since 1999-2000 NHL Championship is... NHL Stars (1999-pres, 6* seasons) + NBA Mavericks (1999-pres, 7 seasons) + MLB Rangers (2000-pres, 7 seasons) + NFL Cowboys (1999-pres, 8 seasons) = 28. (* = no 2004-05 NHL season).
  11. Corrected MLB/NFL miscounts. Breakdown since 1994 NFL Championship is... MLB Giants (1995-pres, 12 seasons) + NFL 49’ers (1995-pres, 12 seasons).= 24.
  12. Corrected NFL miscount. Breakdown of Nashville pro seasons (no championships) is... NHL Predators (1998-pres, 7* seasons) + NFL Oilers/Titans (1998-pres, 9 seasons) = 16. (* = no 2004-05 NHL season).
  13. Corrected NHL miscount. Breakdown since 2002 MLB Championship is... NHL Kings/Ducks (2002-pres, 3* seasons) + NBA Lakers/Clippers (2002-pres, 4 seasons) + MLB Dodgers/Angels (2003-pres, 4 seasons) = 11. (* = no 2004-05 NHL season).
As always, I'm soliciting for corrections.
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Old 01-23-07, 10:07 AM   #34
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Wow - you have a lot of time on your hands, don't you?

There is absolutely no reason to lump Baltimore and Washington together. The Wiz and Caps only enjoy a moderate following in Baltimore. Now that DC has it's own baseball team, there is no real tie to the Orioles. Also, Baltimoreans detest Washington, while Washingtonians basically ignore Baltimore. Most importantly, they are separate media markets (unlike the Bay Area, LA/Anaheim, and NY/NJ).
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Also, Baltimoreans detest Washington...
I think it's pronounced "Balti--s"
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Old 01-23-07, 12:26 PM   #36
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I grew up in Baltimore. It isn't.

Now if you are making a joke, nevermind.
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Yup, it's a joke, but I moved from in-between BALmer and WaRRshington two years ago, and depending on who you met.... it is.
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UH, Ken, not to cause any complications, but the Rockets were in San Diego for a couple years....

From the Rockets official website (history section):

The Houston Rockets were introduced to the NBA as the San Diego Rockets in 1967, the same year that the American Basketball Association launched itself as a rival league. Despite boasting the great Elvin Hayes through the early years, the Rockets never caught on in San Diego and moved to Houston after only four seasons.
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UH, Ken, not to cause any complications, but the Rockets were in San Diego for a couple years....

From the Rockets official website (history section):

The Houston Rockets were introduced to the NBA as the San Diego Rockets in 1967, the same year that the American Basketball Association launched itself as a rival league. Despite boasting the great Elvin Hayes through the early years, the Rockets never caught on in San Diego and moved to Houston after only four seasons.
Good to know. The Rockets played 4 seasons in San Diego (1967/68 thru 1970/71) before moving to Houston. The Houston NBA entry in the table is correct, I just need to add 4 NBA seasons to San Diego's count.

I've also broken the Carolina entry apart into Charlotte (NFL, NBA) and Raleigh (NHL) entries. The two seasons the (Raleigh) Hurricanes played in Greensboro do not appear because (a) the Canes have won the Stanley Cup since then, so the Raleigh count is at zero, and (b) Greensboro does not at present have a pro sports team. If Greensboro lands a team in the future, their count would start at two for the 1997/98 and 1998/99 NHL seasons.

Here comes an update...
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Seasons: City (Last Champion) [leagues]
119: Cleveland ('64 Browns) [NBA, MLB, NFL]
96: San Diego ('63 Chargers (AFL)) [MLB, NFL] (Note 1)
94: Philadelphia ('83 76ers) [ALL]
84: Buffalo ('65 Bills (AFL)) [NHL, NFL]
83: Seattle ('79 Supersonics) [NBA, MLB, NFL]
71: Milwaukee ('71 Bucks) [NBA, MLB]
53: Minneapolis ('91 Twins) [ALL]
46: New Orleans [NBA, NFL]
46: Oakland ('89 Athletics) [NBA, MLB, NFL]
46: Washington ('91 Redskins) [ALL]
43: Kansas City ('85 Royals) [MLB, NFL]
40: Atlanta ('95 Braves) [ALL]
36: Canada (all cities) ('03 Blue Jays) [NHL, NBA, MLB]
33: Cincinnati ('90 Reds) [MLB, NFL]
30: Houston ('95 Rockets) [NBA, MLB, NFL]
29: Portland ('77 Trail Blazers) [NBA]
28: Charlotte [NBA, NFL] (note 2)
28: Dallas ('00 Stars) [ALL]
27: Salt Lake City [NBA]
24: San Francisco ('94 49ers) [MLB, NFL]
21: Sacramento [NBA]
21: Denver ('01 Avalanche) [ALL]
20: Phoenix ('01 Diamondbacks) [ALL]
17: Orlando [NBA]
16: Nashville [NHL, NFL]
14: San Jose [NHL]
13: New York ('03 Devils) [ALL]
12: Jacksonville [NFL]
12: Baltimore ('00 Ravens) [MLB, NFL]
11: Los Angeles ('02 Angels) [ALL]
10: Green Bay ('96 Packers) [NFL]
10: Detroit ('04 Pistons) [ALL]
7: Tampa ('04 Lightning) [NHL, MLB, NFL]
7: Boston ('04 Patriots) [ALL]
6: Memphis [NBA] (includes 1 season as home to the Tennessee Oilers)
5: Columbus [NHL]
5: Chicago ('05 White Sox) [ALL]
3: Pittsburgh ('05 Steelers) [NHL, MLB, NFL]
2: Miami ('06 Heat) [ALL]
1: San Antonio ('05 Spurs) [NBA]
1: St Louis ('06 Cardinals) [NHL, MLB, NFL]
0: Raleigh ('06 Hurricanes) [NHL] (note 3)
0: Indianapolis ('06 Colts) [NBA, NFL]

Ties are broken in favor of cities that have never won a championship, then by cities that have had the most time elapse since their last championship.

Footnotes

1. Added 4 seasons for 1967/68 - 1970/71 San Diego Rockets

2. New entry, broken out from previous "Carolina" entry. Charlotte has never won a championship, having hosted 16 NBA seasons (Hornets 1888/89 thru 2001/02, Bobcats 2004/05 thru 2005/06) and 12 NFL seasons (Panthers 1995-2006).

3. New entry, broken out from previous "Carolina" entry. Raleigh is home to the defending Stanley Cup champions, so their "dought" count is at zero.
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Does the fact that New York has multiple teams in every sport not affect their score? It seems, for example, that for every NFL season that goes by they have missed 2 opportunities to win a title.
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Thanks for the update, Ken. I expect the Cleveland number to increase by 3 at the end of the year since I don't think the Cavs are going to win with the Pistons and the Heat in their way

It will be very tough for the Indians to win the World Series, since they're now in the toughest division in baseball. They could win 90 games and not make the playoffs like the White Sox did last year!

I don't think anyone honestly expects the Browns to be a Super Bowl contender this year.

I'm going to copy the list and send it to my dad. I'm sure he'll be interested in seeing the list and be depressed at the same time!
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Does the fact that New York has multiple teams in every sport not affect their score? It seems, for example, that for every NFL season that goes by they have missed 2 opportunities to win a title.
That's a great question.

The short answer is Yes. I *did* think about those markets that have more than one team competing in the same league. I decided when I was compiling these numbers that since we're talking about the number of pro seasons since a market has had a championship, it seems to only matter THAT a market competed in a particular league -- not that they competed with multiple teams. If the Jets or the Giants were to win the Super Bowl, it would be a New York win regardless of which team was hoisting the Lombardi... similarly, if neither win it this year, the New York market has endured ONE additional NFL season without a title.
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Old 02-20-07, 05:27 PM   #45
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PS, if I were to lump the three Bay Area cities into one "market", we'd go from this:
46: Oakland ('89 Athletics) [NBA, MLB, NFL]
24: San Francisco ('94 49ers) [MLB, NFL]
14: San Jose [NHL]

To this:
47: Bay Area ('94 49ers) [ALL]

Every year from 1995 to 2006 (12 years), the Bay Area has competed in all 4 pro sports EXCEPT for the 2004/05 NHL season that wasn't competed. 4 x 12 - 1 = 47. This would be the 8th longest current drought.
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Old 06-06-07, 11:34 PM   #46
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Fox sports has an article similar to this. Here's how they ranked the cities:


1. Buffalo
2. Cleveland
3. Seattle
4. Philadelphia
5. Milwaukee
6. Minneapolis/St. Paul
7. Cincinnati
8. San Diego
9. Kansas City
10. New Orleans

http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/6...PHCP&GT1=10136
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Old 06-07-07, 07:54 AM   #47
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Anaheim (LA) won the Stanley Cup last night, beating Ottawa (Canada, all cities) 4 games to 1. This moves LA to the bottom of the futility rankings, and increments all metro markets with an NHL team up one season. Here are the up-to-the-moment rankings:

Seasons: City (Last Champion) [leagues]
119: Cleveland ('64 Browns) [NBA, MLB, NFL]
96: San Diego ('63 Chargers (AFL)) [MLB, NFL]
95: Philadelphia ('83 76ers) [ALL]
85: Buffalo ('65 Bills (AFL)) [NHL, NFL]
83: Seattle ('79 Supersonics) [NBA, MLB, NFL]
71: Milwaukee ('71 Bucks) [NBA, MLB]
54: Minneapolis ('91 Twins) [ALL]
47: Washington ('91 Redskins) [ALL]
46: New Orleans [NBA, NFL]
46: Oakland ('89 Athletics) [NBA, MLB, NFL]
43: Kansas City ('85 Royals) [MLB, NFL]
41: Atlanta ('95 Braves) [ALL]
37: Canada (all cities) ('93 Blue Jays) [NHL, NBA, MLB]
33: Cincinnati ('90 Reds) [MLB, NFL]
30: Houston ('95 Rockets) [NBA, MLB, NFL]
29: Portland ('77 Trail Blazers) [NBA]
29: Dallas ('00 Stars) [ALL]
28: Charlotte [NBA, NFL]
27: Salt Lake City [NBA]
24: San Francisco ('94 49ers) [MLB, NFL]
22: Denver ('01 Avalanche) [ALL]
21: Sacramento [NBA]
20: Phoenix ('01 Diamondbacks) [ALL]
17: Nashville [NHL, NFL]
17: Orlando [NBA]
15: San Jose [NHL]
14: New York ('03 Devils) [ALL]
12: Jacksonville [NFL]
12: Baltimore ('00 Ravens) [MLB, NFL]
11: Detroit ('04 Pistons) [ALL]
10: Green Bay ('96 Packers) [NFL]
8: Tampa ('04 Lightning) [NHL, MLB, NFL]
8: Boston ('04 Patriots) [ALL]
6: Columbus [NHL]
6: Memphis [NBA] (includes 1 season as home to the Tennessee Oilers)
6: Chicago ('05 White Sox) [ALL]
4: Pittsburgh ('05 Steelers) [NHL, MLB, NFL]
3: Miami ('06 Heat) [ALL]
2: St Louis ('06 Cardinals) [NHL, MLB, NFL]
1: San Antonio ('05 Spurs) [NBA]
1: Raleigh ('06 Hurricanes) [NHL]
0: Indianapolis ('06 Colts) [NBA, NFL]
0: Los Angeles ('07 Ducks) [NHL, NBA, MLB] (note 1)

Ties are broken in favor of cities that have never won a championship, then by cities that have had the most time elapse since their last championship.

note 1: Fixed LA listing, had previously shown [ALL] leagues, when in fact there's no NFL team there.

With Cleveland playing, uhhh, (Googling) the Spurs (that would be San Antonio), for the NBA Championship starting this week, there's a chance that we could see a shake-up at the top.
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Here's the same list, ranked in terms of number of years since a championship, regardless of the number of teams playing in a given market. Personally, I find this less an indicator of 'futilty' than consecutive non-championship seasons, but some may find it interesting:

1963 San Diego
1964 Cleveland
1965 Buffalo
1967 *New Orleans
1971 Milwaukee
1977 Portland
1979 Seattle
1979 *Salt Lake City
1983 Philadelphia
1985 *Sacramento
1985 Kansas City
1989 *Charlotte
1989 *Orlando
1989 Oakland
1990 Cincinnati
1991 *San Jose
1991 Minneapolis
1991 Washington
1993 Canada (all cities)
1994 San Francisco
1995 Houston
1995 Atlanta
1995 *Jacksonville
1996 Green Bay
1997 *Memphis
1998 *Nashville
2000 Dallas
2000 *Columbus
2000 Baltimore
2001 Denver
2001 Phoenix
2003 New York
2004 Detroit
2004 Tampa
2004 Boston
2005 San Antonio
2005 Chicago
2005 Pittsburgh
2006 Miami
2006 Raliegh
2006 St Louis
2006 Indianapolis
2007 Los Angeles

* = City has zero championships. Date is based on first professional season played there.
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After the Eagles win the Super Bowl this year, Philly will be removed from the list.

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After the Eagles win the Super Bowl this year, Philly will be removed from the list.

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