Phillies acquire Eric Milton from Twins

wildcatlh · 12-03-03, 04:56 PM

Didn't see this one coming.

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ESPN.com
The Philadelphia Phillies acquired left-hander Eric Milton from the Minnesota Twins on Wednesday for reliever Carlos Silva, infielder Nick Punto and a minor leaguer to be named after the Rule 5 draft, ESPN.com's Jayson Stark reports.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=1677419

LurkerDan · 12-03-03, 04:59 PM

Phillies taking on his whole salary?

DarkElf · 12-03-03, 05:00 PM

The obvious question is how much of Milton's ridiculous $9M contract are the Twins picking up?

DarkElf · 12-03-03, 05:01 PM

Although the quick trading of Milton WAS expected. Same with Jacque Jones, he'll be traded soon as well.

They have to dump both players in order to sign Guardado and Stewart.

wildcatlh · 12-03-03, 05:03 PM

I knew he'd be traded. I didn't know the Phillies would be interested.

One would think this isn't the smartest move especially if they're taking all the salary on and they're not going after other pitchers. But he is a decent pitcher, and we'll see how he comes back after the injury with a full offseason to work.

Paradigm · 12-03-03, 06:16 PM

depending on how much they are paying...this could be a steal. very little giving up

Shamu · 12-03-03, 06:45 PM

Are the Twins even paying anything? I don't see anything saying that they are. Fantastic deal for the Twins if so.

vdadlani219 · 12-04-03, 12:31 AM

Carlos Silva is a halfway decent pitcher (5.25/10 or so). Not overpowering, and relies on putting the ball in play to get outs (see his strikeout totals and hit totals for that).

Nick Punto has no upside at all. He won't amount to a everyday regular and will be limited to a utility infielder. His sticking point to the majors is that he is a switch-hitter and can play both middle infield positions.

Twins basically traded Milton for financial reasons. Phillies acquire a mid rotation starter.

Wolf, Myers, Padilla, Milton pan out to an above average rotation (with Wagner closing out games).

Phillies fan should be happy, they will be better than last year.

Jericho · 12-05-03, 11:28 AM

I thought this was a good move when I first saw it, but given what each team is paying, it doesn't look good for Philly. Milton essentially replaces Millwood at a similar cost and he's not nearly as good.

Milton has always been a tease. Good ratio, good stuff, and yet posts below average ERAs. Unless Milton does finally break-through, I don't like this move at all

Geofferson · 12-05-03, 02:37 PM

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Originally posted by DarkElf
Although the quick trading of Milton WAS expected. Same with Jacque Jones, he'll be traded soon as well.

They have to dump both players in order to sign Guardado and Stewart.

and it's a good decision in my book. Arguably, Stewart can be given almost all the credit for their run for the post-season after the All-Star break.

Jericho · 12-05-03, 02:53 PM

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Originally posted by Geofferson
and it's a good decision in my book. Arguably, Stewart can be given almost all the credit for their run for the post-season after the All-Star break.

Well you can keep on believing that if you will. I certainly don't, and I should point out that the "magicness" of Shannon Stewart got Toronto a grand total of 0 playoff appearances. Stewart's and okay player, and probably better than Milton and certainly Jones. But he's a far cry from what you make him out to be.

wildcatlh · 12-05-03, 03:57 PM

To add to Jericho's comment, Stewart's performance with the Twins was only slightly better than what you would expect from an average LF. What put the Twins over the top in the second half was that their team ERA was close to a full point better over the second part of the season versus what it was in the first part.

Not that Stewart didn't help, but to say that he should be given almost all the credit for their post all-star break run is silly.

12-03-03, 04:59 PM	#2
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12-03-03, 05:00 PM	#3
DarkElf Moderator Join Date: Mar 1999 Location: La Jolla, CA Posts: 18,114	The obvious question is how much of Milton's ridiculous $9M contract are the Twins picking up? __________________ Stephen Ansley -- La Jolla, CA (Only 2 blocks from here! ) BJCP beer judge since 2006. 2600+ beer reviews on my RateBeer page

12-03-03, 05:01 PM	#4
DarkElf Moderator Join Date: Mar 1999 Location: La Jolla, CA Posts: 18,114	Although the quick trading of Milton WAS expected. Same with Jacque Jones, he'll be traded soon as well. They have to dump both players in order to sign Guardado and Stewart. __________________ Stephen Ansley -- La Jolla, CA (Only 2 blocks from here! ) BJCP beer judge since 2006. 2600+ beer reviews on my RateBeer page

12-03-03, 05:03 PM	#5
wildcatlh DVD Talk Legend Join Date: Jan 2000 Location: Work. Or commuting. Certainly not at home. Posts: 17,808	I knew he'd be traded. I didn't know the Phillies would be interested. One would think this isn't the smartest move especially if they're taking all the salary on and they're not going after other pitchers. But he is a decent pitcher, and we'll see how he comes back after the injury with a full offseason to work. __________________ "An avidity to punish is always dangerous to liberty. It leads men to stretch, to misinterpret, and to misapply even the best of laws. He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself." -- Thomas Paine

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12-03-03, 06:16 PM	#6
Paradigm Banned Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 434	depending on how much they are paying...this could be a steal. very little giving up

12-04-03, 12:31 AM	#8
vdadlani219 DVD Talk Special Edition Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Las Vegas,NV Posts: 1,210	Carlos Silva is a halfway decent pitcher (5.25/10 or so). Not overpowering, and relies on putting the ball in play to get outs (see his strikeout totals and hit totals for that). Nick Punto has no upside at all. He won't amount to a everyday regular and will be limited to a utility infielder. His sticking point to the majors is that he is a switch-hitter and can play both middle infield positions. Twins basically traded Milton for financial reasons. Phillies acquire a mid rotation starter. Wolf, Myers, Padilla, Milton pan out to an above average rotation (with Wagner closing out games). Phillies fan should be happy, they will be better than last year. __________________ I'm not gonna even dignify myself with a response.

12-05-03, 11:28 AM	#9
Jericho DVD Talk Legend Join Date: Oct 1999 Location: Columbia, MD, USA Posts: 10,961	I thought this was a good move when I first saw it, but given what each team is paying, it doesn't look good for Philly. Milton essentially replaces Millwood at a similar cost and he's not nearly as good. Milton has always been a tease. Good ratio, good stuff, and yet posts below average ERAs. Unless Milton does finally break-through, I don't like this move at all __________________ I can't believe I ate the whole thing

12-05-03, 03:57 PM	#12
wildcatlh DVD Talk Legend Join Date: Jan 2000 Location: Work. Or commuting. Certainly not at home. Posts: 17,808	To add to Jericho's comment, Stewart's performance with the Twins was only slightly better than what you would expect from an average LF. What put the Twins over the top in the second half was that their team ERA was close to a full point better over the second part of the season versus what it was in the first part. Not that Stewart didn't help, but to say that he should be given almost all the credit for their post all-star break run is silly. __________________ "An avidity to punish is always dangerous to liberty. It leads men to stretch, to misinterpret, and to misapply even the best of laws. He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself." -- Thomas Paine