Ricky Davis' triple double attempt

[cdollaz]

HAHAHAHA. What an idiot.

He probably has no clue how this could hurt him down the line. See Ron Artest not making the Allstar team this year and Rasheed Wallace not making it since he started acting like a moron.

That would have been so great if Jerry Sloan would have clocked his ass in the middle of the court.

[evenflow]

Ricky Davis=most selfish basketball player ever.

[El Scorcho]

Rasheed didn't make it this year because the West was stacked with way too many forwards as it is. If he's in the Eastern Conference he makes it, perhaps even as a starter.

Back to Ricky Davis, though, he's the exact reason that the NBA will continue to have image problems, especially in a country that is predominantly white and generally can't stand showboating in professional sports.

[edytwinky]

I thought it was funny. I feel for the guy since he plays for a ****** team and he's unmotivated because of that.

[JNielsen]

I have no problem with it. They were blowing out a real good western conference team, let him have some fun. He's been carrying the Cav's all year.

[El Scorcho]

Originally posted by JNielsen
I have no problem with it. They were blowing out a real good western conference team, let him have some fun. He's been carrying the Cav's all year.

Carrying the cavs to the hunt for LeBron James maybe. Remember, they only have 12 victories (or is it 13?).

[cdollaz]

Originally posted by El Scorcho
Rasheed didn't make it this year because the West was stacked with way too many forwards as it is. If he's in the Eastern Conference he makes it, perhaps even as a starter.

Back to Ricky Davis, though, he's the exact reason that the NBA will continue to have image problems, especially in a country that is predominantly white and generally can't stand showboating in professional sports.

Ricky Davis wasn't showboating, he was being an ass.

[JNielsen]

Originally posted by El Scorcho
Carrying the cavs to the hunt for LeBron James maybe. Remember, they only have 12 victories (or is it 13?).

There team will be no better if they draft James. Can you imagine a team with L. James, R. Davis, Jumaine Jones, Duwan Wagner & Darius Miles. Terrible.

Averaging 20 points, 5 rebounds & 5 assists is a hard thing to do, for a guard, on any team.

[Jericho]

Originally posted by cdollaz
HAHAHAHA. What an idiot.

He probably has no clue how this could hurt him down the line. See Ron Artest not making the Allstar team this year and Rasheed Wallace not making it since he started acting like a moron.

That would have been so great if Jerry Sloan would have clocked his ass in the middle of the court.

I wouldn't go that far. Wallace doesn't make the all-star team because the West is laoded and many players put up similar if not better stats. Artest didn't make, likely because they don't pick all-star teams on defense. His offensive stats are lacking.

I think people, especially Utah, is overreacting a lot to this. This certainly isn't the first time I've seen this happen. Was it Chucky Atkins who called a TO late in the game to get the extra assist/point/board/whatever he need to get a Triple-Double?

It Utah wants to stop him, why not play defense any actually play the game to stop him. No need to whine and resort to thuggery. I can imagine most people, given a similar situation would go for it. It's not like Ricky Davis is rolling off triple doubles left and right. It would be a pretty good accomplishment, even though the Cavs suck and Ricky Davis is selfish.

I can't believe professional NBA players worry so much about "image" and "being shown up". Especially when they're playing the worst team in the league. You don't want him to get that triple double? Just play defense then...

[cdollaz]

Originally posted by Jericho
I wouldn't go that far. Wallace doesn't make the all-star team because the West is laoded and many players put up similar if not better stats. Artest didn't make, likely because they don't pick all-star teams on defense. His offensive stats are lacking.

I think people, especially Utah, is overreacting a lot to this. This certainly isn't the first time I've seen this happen. Was it Chucky Atkins who called a TO late in the game to get the extra assist/point/board/whatever he need to get a Triple-Double?

It Utah wants to stop him, why not play defense any actually play the game to stop him. No need to whine and resort to thuggery. I can imagine most people, given a similar situation would go for it. It's not like Ricky Davis is rolling off triple doubles left and right. It would be a pretty good accomplishment, even though the Cavs suck and Ricky Davis is selfish.

I can't believe professional NBA players worry so much about "image" and "being shown up". Especially when they're playing the worst team in the league. You don't want him to get that triple double? Just play defense then...

I disagree on every point you made. To me, this is similar to a football team with a 3 TD lead throwing bombs downfield at the end of a game. It's bad sportsmanship and that always comes back to bite you in the ass somewhere down the road. As far as "going for it" regarding the triple double, I think of quite few times that a player on my local team (Rockets) has been a rebound or an assist or 2 away from a triple-double and no silliness like this takes place to assist him in getting it. And he is never put back in the game just to pad his stats.

[JNielsen]

Originally posted by cdollaz
As far as "going for it" regarding the triple double, I think of quite few times that a player on my local team (Rockets) has been a rebound or an assist or 2 away from a triple-double and no silliness like this takes place to assist him in getting it. And he is never put back in the game just to pad his stats.

But were they up by 25 points at the time? And I thinl the selfless player you are refering to, forced the team that drafted him to trade his right because he refused to play for them.

[cdollaz]

Originally posted by JNielsen
And I thinl the selfless player you are refering to, forced the team that drafted him to trade his right because he refused to play for them.

And how is different from any other of the large number of players in the league who have bailed from the team who drafted them to go to another. That's just how it is in the NBA right now, the players have all of the power. While I do not necessarily agree with what Francis did, I see it as no different than a player who leaves his team after a year or two or three to go to a better situation. Also, it has nothing to do with the original topic.

[B.A.]

Maybe his team wouldn't suck so bad if he attempted to be a better team player, instead of being selfish idiot trying to pad his stats.

[JNielsen]

Originally posted by bahist17
Maybe his team wouldn't suck so bad if he attempted to be a better team player, instead of being selfish idiot trying to pad his stats.

He had 12 assists the game in question, averaging 5 a game this year, thats far from being selfish. I'm not a big fan of the guy, but too many people, who seem to be basketball illiterate, are crusifying him for things that happen every day in every sport from little league to the pro's.

And no, demanding a trade before you ever play a game for the team that owns your rights, is not the same as leaving you're original team when you become a free agent. And I know that has nothing to do with the original topic, but it is also selfish, which is the topic here.

[cdollaz]

Originally posted by JNielsen


And no, demanding a trade before you ever play a game for the team that owns your rights, is not the same as leaving you're original team when you become a free agent. And I know that has nothing to do with the original topic, but it is also selfish, which is the topic here.

Your opinion. I see little difference. Either way you are screwing the team that drafted you. Besides, if I remember correctly, he had made statements prior to the draft that he would not play in Vancouver, so they drafted him at their own risk. Vancouver was a bad idea and never should have been given an NBA team, as proven by the fact that it only lasted a few years there and that everyone left that team as soon as they could. I wouldn't want to play for them either. Also, Francis is far from being a selfish player on the court and is considered a good guy off of it as well.

[JNielsen]

Originally posted by cdollaz
Also, Francis is far from being a selfish player on the court and is considered a good guy off of it as well.

Never said he was , but is Rickey Davis considered a selfish thug off the court? I also consider Hakeem selfish when he demanded out of Houston. And if they let him force his way out, many Houston fans would also. But thats a different story.

I just really don't have a problem with it. The padding of stats happens all the time, in every league. A triple double is a big deal in the NBA. I can remember numerous times in the NBA where almost the exact same thing happened, whether it was a team giving a player an open shot, or a gimme assist. I think Davis's image, has alot to do with all of the "haters".

[Jericho]

Originally posted by cdollaz
I disagree on every point you made. To me, this is similar to a football team with a 3 TD lead throwing bombs downfield at the end of a game. It's bad sportsmanship and that always comes back to bite you in the ass somewhere down the road. As far as "going for it" regarding the triple double, I think of quite few times that a player on my local team (Rockets) has been a rebound or an assist or 2 away from a triple-double and no silliness like this takes place to assist him in getting it. And he is never put back in the game just to pad his stats.

He wasn't even trying to score though. How can it be the same as a team "running up the score" in the football (Which I think is a fairly bogus claim too, but that's a whole nother topic).

You say it's bad sportsmanship. Maybe. I'm not saying it's good, but he's not hurting anybody and he's just playing the game. If you don't want to play the game and want the other team to give up when they're up by large amounts, then why play the sport? Still, it's funny you mention sportsmanship. I didn't see the play, but from what I read didn't DeShawn Stevenson hammer Davis? And Utah's coach, Jerry Sloan, condoned it. Now that that seems like bad sportsmanship. Certainly worse than anything Davis did. It's funny that Davis gets the whole media on him, and everyone ignores the other side of it.

[cdollaz]

Originally posted by JNielsen
Never said he was , but is Rickey Davis considered a selfish thug off the court? I also consider Hakeem selfish when he demanded out of Houston. And if they let him force his way out, many Houston fans would also. But thats a different story.

I just really don't have a problem with it. The padding of stats happens all the time, in every league. A triple double is a big deal in the NBA. I can remember numerous times in the NBA where almost the exact same thing happened, whether it was a team giving a player an open shot, or a gimme assist. I think Davis's image, has alot to do with all of the "haters".

Hakeem was an A-Hole off of the court. I wouldn't have a problem with a player doing it in the flow of the game or even taking a last second shot or whatever at his own goal, but shooting at the other team's goal was wrong. Yeah, Utah could have played defense, but I doubt that ever thought they would have to defend THEIR OWN GOAL. I know nothing of Ricky's rep off of the court, but he was suspended earlier in the year by the coach for selfish play and for refusing to sit on the bench with the rest of the team, or something like that. That is prima donna behavior and at least shows that he has some history of doing things that a professional should not do. Also, he is taking quite a beating in the press today and his own coach even laid into to him publicly.

[JNielsen]

Originally posted by Jericho
I didn't see the play, but from what I read didn't DeShawn Stevenson hammer Davis? And Utah's coach, Jerry Sloan, condoned it. Now that that seems like bad sportsmanship. Certainly worse than anything Davis did. It's funny that Davis gets the whole media on him, and everyone ignores the other side of it.

Not really, the media hyped that up a little. It was no harder than any foul at the end of a game to stop the clock. I agree with the Sloan thing too, but he has already proven how much of a little angel he is on the court.

[cdollaz]

Originally posted by JNielsen
Not really, the media hyped that up a little. It was no harder than any foul at the end of a game to stop the clock. I agree with the Sloan thing too, but he has already proven how much of a little angel he is on the court.

Sloan's an old-school type of guy. If someone busts you in the chops, you hit them back twice as hard. Like him or not, Sloan shows a passion for the game that many players today do not. If more players had Sloan's respect for the game, the league would be much better today.

[JNielsen]

Originally posted by cdollaz
Sloan's an old-school type of guy. If someone busts you in the chops, you hit them back twice as hard. Like him or not, Sloan shows a passion for the game that many players today do not. If more players had Sloan's respect for the game, the league would be much better today.

Does that go for ref's too? Respect for the game?

Good artical on the situation by David Aldridge

[tofu]

Originally posted by JNielsen
Does that go for ref's too? Respect for the game?

Good artical on the situation by David Aldridge

good article. it's interesting that the cavaliers aren't going to punish ricky because they believe that he'll be embarassed for the rest of his career.

[JNielsen]

Originally posted by tofu
good article. it's interesting that the cavaliers aren't going to punish ricky because they believe that he'll be embarassed for the rest of his career.

I don't think he should be suspended but I also think the coach, who everyone (including his players) knows is a lame duck, doesn't have the balls to do anything to alienate his best player. I don't think many players on that team respect him, most were very big John Lucas guys.

[brizz]

unbelieavable...a prime example of everything that is wrong with the NBA. What a selfish deuchebag.

[brizz]

oh, and you guys saying it was no big deal, you do realize that he shot at HIS OWN BASKET to get the rebound? That is absolutely pathetic.