How much can the umpires "cheat" in one series?

namrfumot · 07-20-02, 03:03 PM

Last night Pedro was on a roll and ready to come back out for the seventh. Then I look and I see him just standing on the mound twiddling his thumbs. Why do you ask? The teams had to wait for the YES network to come back from commercial! It seems like they're allowed extra time for commercials that other teams aren't. Many many times on my station I've missed the first couple pitches on an inning because they don't wait. That's absurd.

In today's game, the Yanks were going to pull Hernandez, but their pullpen wasn't ready. Now most teams have the pitching coach go out and stall and buy a little time. But the Yanks have Torre go out one pitch, then you see Ventura go out and talk to Hernandez on the next pitch! The commentator said it was a little over 2 1/2 minutes of stalling. Once again, thats absurd.

Bust · 07-20-02, 03:43 PM

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Originally posted by namrufmot
teams had to wait for the YES network to come back from commercial!

The YES network didn't carry last nights game. Nice try though.

Soup Nazi · 07-20-02, 03:59 PM

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Originally posted by Bust
The YES network didn't carry last nights game. Nice try though.

How convenient that you pick apart his argument when he identifies the incorrect call letters of the broadcast carrier, and not the points he made in his post.

Just so you know, YES carries all the Yankees games that aren't on FOX (today's game) and subsidizes 20+ of them to WCBS, Channel 2. Have you ever noticed the logos are the same on both stations (WCBS and YES) with the exception of the Number 2 and the CBS symbol where the YES lettering is in the upper left-hand corner?

Once again, nice try ...

zuffy · 07-20-02, 05:44 PM

I'm sure other teams are doing it too. If the Red Sox don't like it, they can report it to MLB.

JaxComet · 07-20-02, 05:47 PM

Bitter Redsox fans are funny.........

Soup Nazi · 07-20-02, 05:54 PM

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Originally posted by JaxComet
Bitter Redsox fans are funny.........

Ignorant Yankee fans are too ...

Soup Nazi · 07-20-02, 05:58 PM

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Originally posted by zuffy
I'm sure other teams are doing it too. If the Red Sox don't like it, they can report it to MLB.

Agreed. I don't think this situation, based its merits, deserves to be reported ... but, MLB does need to look at this. Strategy is one thing, however ...

Rypro 525 · 07-20-02, 06:25 PM

remeber when the kid caught the ball for an oriales playoff game a few years ago. boy was i and about the entire state pissed off at that call.

zuffy · 07-20-02, 06:49 PM

I guess every time an ump blow a call and it goes the Yanks' way, the Yanks are cheating now

twikoff · 07-20-02, 06:52 PM

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Originally posted by zuffy

I guess every time an ump blow a call and it goes the Yanks' way, the Yanks are cheating now

Im not part of this conversation

but i didnt think i had read anything that mentioned umps

zuffy · 07-20-02, 06:55 PM

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Originally posted by twikoff

Im not part of this conversation

but i didnt think i had read anything that mentioned umps

By Rypro

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remeber when the kid caught the ball for an oriales playoff game a few years ago. boy was i and about the entire state pissed off at that call

twikoff · 07-20-02, 06:56 PM

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Originally posted by zuffy

By Rypro

gotcha

but I was right

I hadnt read that post in the thread

Bust · 07-20-02, 07:04 PM

I don't know about you guys, but it's the ignorant and bitter Red Sox fans that keep me rolling!

zuffy · 07-20-02, 07:23 PM

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Originally posted by twikoff

gotcha

but I was right

I hadnt read that post in the thread

so you skip his and read mine instead?

DarkElf · 07-20-02, 07:25 PM

Yankee hatred seems to have jumped to a new level in this thread...

There's absolutely nothing wrong with the "delay tactics" used in today's game. Any good manager would do the same.

As for the commercial break, how is that the Yankees' fault? You think Torre called the TV station and told them to run another commercial to break Pedro's rhythm?

evenflow · 07-20-02, 07:54 PM

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Originally posted by DarkElf

As for the commercial break, how is that the Yankees' fault? You think Torre called the TV station and told them to run another commercial to break Pedro's rhythm?

Umm... Yeah.

Soup Nazi · 07-20-02, 09:12 PM

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Originally posted by Bust
I don't know about you guys, but it's the ignorant and bitter Red Sox fans that keep me rolling!

I don't know about you guys, but it's the newbies to MLB (under a year) that still don't even know all the rules -- that come off holier than thou in this very forum that keep me rolling!

Flashback · 07-20-02, 10:30 PM

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Originally posted by Soup Nazi

I don't know about you guys, but it's the newbies to MLB (under a year) that still don't even know all the rules -- that come off holier than thou in this very forum that keep me rolling!

Yup - those stairs that reach the wagon must only be a few
steps.

shadowhawk2020 · 07-20-02, 10:34 PM

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Originally posted by Bust
I don't know about you guys, but it's the ignorant and bitter Red Sox fans that keep me rolling!

But they have rings so they can't be at fault.

Shadow

namrfumot · 07-21-02, 12:01 PM

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Originally posted by DarkElf

As for the commercial break, how is that the Yankees' fault? You think Torre called the TV station and told them to run another commercial to break Pedro's rhythm?

Maybe thats why the Yanks can afford better players! They make everyone wait till they're done with their commercials. More commercials = more $$.

The Red Sox station came back from commercial about a minute early.

wiz · 07-22-02, 02:34 AM

When I watch the Braves game, there are many times when they come back from a commercial break and the count is already 1 or 2 pitches deep. Doesn't bother me, I 'd rather see them go on and play rather than wait for us...not like we're missing a whole inning and if we do miss something they'll show it to us on instant replay in show motion anyhow.

Dead · 07-22-02, 08:08 AM

Hmmm... who exactly is responsible for starting and stopping play? Last time I checked, that was the umps job. If you want to complain about this, it's not the Yankees that you should be complaining about.

LurkerDan · 07-22-02, 09:15 AM

This is hysterical. If you go read some of the other threads you might see that I have problems with the yanks, but I gotta agree with DarkElf: "Yankee hatred seems to have jumped to a new level in this thread..."

Anti-yankees, you must realize that it is threads like these that get your valid criticisms of the yankees dismissed as nothing but the rantings of yankee hater.

Show some discrimination in your attempts to criticize, please...

JaxComet · 07-22-02, 09:27 AM

You might want to change the thread title to "How much can the Redsox choke in one series".

Talk about a team who crumbles in the clutch.......

tygloalex · 07-22-02, 11:51 AM

You should watch Naked Gun and see how bad umps can cheat.

"I know it's hard to believe, but it appears the umpires have Brisconi in a run-down."

07-20-02, 03:03 PM	#1
namrfumot DVD Talk Limited Edition Join Date: May 2000 Posts: 6,389	How much can the Yankees "cheat" in one series? Last night Pedro was on a roll and ready to come back out for the seventh. Then I look and I see him just standing on the mound twiddling his thumbs. Why do you ask? The teams had to wait for the YES network to come back from commercial! It seems like they're allowed extra time for commercials that other teams aren't. Many many times on my station I've missed the first couple pitches on an inning because they don't wait. That's absurd. In today's game, the Yanks were going to pull Hernandez, but their pullpen wasn't ready. Now most teams have the pitching coach go out and stall and buy a little time. But the Yanks have Torre go out one pitch, then you see Ventura go out and talk to Hernandez on the next pitch! The commentator said it was a little over 2 1/2 minutes of stalling. Once again, thats absurd. __________________ I give namrufmot TEN delicious Ritz crackers, the most ever awarded by me - Thor

07-20-02, 06:25 PM	#8
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07-20-02, 07:25 PM	#15
DarkElf Moderator Join Date: Mar 1999 Location: La Jolla, CA Posts: 18,114	Yankee hatred seems to have jumped to a new level in this thread... There's absolutely nothing wrong with the "delay tactics" used in today's game. Any good manager would do the same. As for the commercial break, how is that the Yankees' fault? You think Torre called the TV station and told them to run another commercial to break Pedro's rhythm? __________________ Stephen Ansley -- La Jolla, CA (Only 2 blocks from here! ) BJCP beer judge since 2006. 2600+ beer reviews on my RateBeer page

07-22-02, 02:34 AM	#21
wiz DVD Talk Platinum Edition Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Suwanee, GA Posts: 3,130	When I watch the Braves game, there are many times when they come back from a commercial break and the count is already 1 or 2 pitches deep. Doesn't bother me, I 'd rather see them go on and play rather than wait for us...not like we're missing a whole inning and if we do miss something they'll show it to us on instant replay in show motion anyhow. __________________ Dave Suwanee, GA Douglas Digital Imagery

07-22-02, 08:08 AM	#22
Dead Mod Emeritus Join Date: Feb 1999 Location: Gone to the islands - 'til we meet again. Posts: 19,053	Hmmm... who exactly is responsible for starting and stopping play? Last time I checked, that was the umps job. If you want to complain about this, it's not the Yankees that you should be complaining about. __________________ Breathe In, Breathe Out, Move On.

07-20-02, 05:44 PM	#4
zuffy DVD Talk Legend Join Date: Jan 2000 Location: Region 1 Posts: 16,126	I'm sure other teams are doing it too. If the Red Sox don't like it, they can report it to MLB.

07-20-02, 05:47 PM	#5
JaxComet DVD Talk Limited Edition Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Cromwell, CT Posts: 5,394	Bitter Redsox fans are funny.........

07-20-02, 06:49 PM	#9
zuffy DVD Talk Legend Join Date: Jan 2000 Location: Region 1 Posts: 16,126	I guess every time an ump blow a call and it goes the Yanks' way, the Yanks are cheating now

07-20-02, 07:04 PM	#13
Bust Banned Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: The Steel City Posts: 5,347	I don't know about you guys, but it's the ignorant and bitter Red Sox fans that keep me rolling!

07-22-02, 09:15 AM	#23
LurkerDan DVD Talk Legend Join Date: Jan 2000 Location: The People's Republic of Boulder Posts: 17,079	This is hysterical. If you go read some of the other threads you might see that I have problems with the yanks, but I gotta agree with DarkElf: "Yankee hatred seems to have jumped to a new level in this thread..." Anti-yankees, you must realize that it is threads like these that get your valid criticisms of the yankees dismissed as nothing but the rantings of yankee hater. Show some discrimination in your attempts to criticize, please... __________________ "I have dictionary facts to support me." - art "we get paid for butt time" - mosquitobite "It felt much more comfortable when I was trying them on. No sharp edge poking my skin." - Buford T. Pusser

07-22-02, 09:27 AM	#24
JaxComet DVD Talk Limited Edition Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Cromwell, CT Posts: 5,394	You might want to change the thread title to "How much can the Redsox choke in one series". Talk about a team who crumbles in the clutch.......

07-22-02, 11:51 AM	#25
tygloalex DVD Talk Ultimate Edition Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Spring Hell, Florida Posts: 4,609	You should watch Naked Gun and see how bad umps can cheat. "I know it's hard to believe, but it appears the umpires have Brisconi in a run-down."