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Old 05-05-02, 11:02 PM   #1
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A Thread Tribute to Gary Sheffield, and introducing the 'Shef-O-Meter'

Okay, so I'm a bitter jilted Dodger fan obsessing over something I should really let go. Still I can't get him off my mind.

... must warn them some how. Sheffield is a brewing storm waiting to blow through the hearts of Braves fans. If only this could be illustrated somehow. The fans could be warned...



the facts so far:

Sheffield's Avg.:____________________Brian Jordan's Avg.:
.230____________________________________.250


Atlanta 16-16, 2.5 games back of 1st place Mets

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Old 05-06-02, 07:42 AM   #2
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Old 05-06-02, 08:33 AM   #3
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I must be missing something.. despite sheffield's wrist injury.. which lead to the hitting slump, he has basically the same numbers as jordan.
braves are .500 and a couple games back
dodgers are a couple games over .500 and a couple games back

neither team has been helped or hurt greatly by this
except that gary has much more potential for greatness then brian.. and odalis is pitching like a mad man for LA.
I really like jordan and perez, and hated seeing them go.. but even now, there is no way I would ever pass up this trade

Brian Jordan:
G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB CS OBP SLG OPS AVG
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105 14 26 6 1 3 13 8 16 0 1 0.313 0.41 0.723 0.248


Gary Sheffield
G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB CS OBP SLG OPS AVG
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87 11 20 1 0 3 10 9 11 2 0 0.323 0.345 0.668 0.23
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Old 05-06-02, 08:41 AM   #4
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Sheffield has to get healthy before he can turn it back around. Anyone here ever try batting with a bum wrist? Ugh, why am I defending an Atlanta Brave, I hate the Braves. I still have images of the slowest player in the league at the time, Sid Bream, scoring on Francisco Cabrerra's single to beat the Pirates in Game 7 to go to the World Series. Damn that Barry Bonds, why couldn't the throw be on line?

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Old 05-06-02, 11:26 AM   #5
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I still have images of the slowest player in the league at the time, Sid Bream, scoring on Francisco Cabrerra's single to beat the Pirates in Game 7 to go to the World Series.

My single favorite baseball moment ever.
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Old 05-06-02, 11:47 AM   #6
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My single favorite baseball moment ever.
Mine too. "Braves win! Braves win!"
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Old 05-06-02, 11:55 AM   #7
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Mine too. "Braves win! Braves win!"
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Old 05-06-02, 02:09 PM   #8
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I must be missing something.. despite sheffield's wrist injury.. which lead to the hitting slump, he has basically the same numbers as jordan.
braves are .500 and a couple games back
dodgers are a couple games over .500 and a couple games back

neither team has been helped or hurt greatly by this
except that gary has much more potential for greatness then brian.. and odalis is pitching like a mad man for LA.
I really like jordan and perez, and hated seeing them go.. but even now, there is no way I would ever pass up this trade
as I hinted at in first post I have maybe a more emotional than analytical take on Sheffield and the Jordan trade.

But, I'll stand by my statement from a prediction thread not long ago. If the Braves underperform this year then Sheffield will be unhappy. And when he's unhappy he has a way of making the team and the fans unhappy.

No one's talked yet about the Braves aging pitching staff. Is Braves pitching still what it used to be?
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Old 05-06-02, 05:14 PM   #9
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No one's talked yet about the Braves aging pitching staff. Is Braves pitching still what it used to be?
did you watch damian moss throw a no hitter through 7 innings the other day?

and glavine is still putting up great numbers (5-1, .93 era)
maddux continues to produce, but has had his injury troubles this year
millwood is about the same as always
lopez looks like a very solid young pitcher
and smoltz has 11 saves

remlinger is a helluva mid relief guy.. and spooneybarger and holmes have been doing a solid job there..

like last year, the braves have been failing to put up the runs
but I guess your right.. atlanta is currently only #4 in the NL in pitching, where they are normally #1
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Old 05-06-02, 05:30 PM   #10
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did you watch damian moss throw a no hitter through 7 innings the other day?

and glavine is still putting up great numbers (5-1, .93 era)
maddux continues to produce, but has had his injury troubles this year
millwood is about the same as always
lopez looks like a very solid young pitcher
and smoltz has 11 saves

remlinger is a helluva mid relief guy.. and spooneybarger and holmes have been doing a solid job there..

like last year, the braves have been failing to put up the runs
but I guess your right.. atlanta is currently only #4 in the NL in pitching, where they are normally #1
yeah, but did you like the shef-o-meter?
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Old 05-06-02, 05:33 PM   #11
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Also consider the effect the trade is having on Shawn Green.
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Old 05-06-02, 06:57 PM   #12
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For what its worth, Shef's been trying to get over his wrist injury. I can't imagine how hard it is to swing a bat the way he does with a wrist injury. Not so coincidentally, he was batting over .300 before getting hit by that pitch.

Call me crazy... or just call me a Braves fan... but it seems to me that once he's past this bruised wrist, he should be back to normal.... and the Braves will be able to score some runs again.

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Old 05-07-02, 01:02 PM   #13
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My single favorite baseball moment ever.
Mine too. It almost makes me forget the Lonnie Smith blunder at second base against Minnesota....almost. Arrgh!
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Old 05-07-02, 01:11 PM   #14
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Mine too. It almost makes me forget the Lonnie Smith blunder at second base against Minnesota....almost. Arrgh!
or in the same series...

hrbeck pulling gant off the bag at first
or the infamous rotating billboard behind homeplate, designed to make it tougher for the braves fielders to pick up the ball
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Old 05-07-02, 10:02 PM   #15
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Just because baseball is a funny game, tonight, Brian Jordan hit a home run to put LA up 5-4 in the top of th 9th, and Gary Sheffield hit a home run to tie it up in the bottom of the 9th.
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Old 05-07-02, 10:02 PM   #16
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Just because baseball is a funny game, tonight, Brian Jordan hit a home run to put LA up 5-4 in the top of th 9th, and Gary Sheffield hit a home run to tie it up in the bottom of the 9th.
the sheffield one shocked me

thats gotta be extremely difficult with those wrist troubles
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Old 05-08-02, 11:49 AM   #17
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the sheffield one shocked me

thats gotta be extremely difficult with those wrist troubles
Sheffield's hitting scares me, wrist troubles or no. I was yelling at Gagne to pitch around him.
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Old 05-08-02, 11:57 AM   #18
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Sheffield's hitting scares me, wrist troubles or no. I was yelling at Gagne to pitch around him.
16 damn innings!! I fell asleep after 12

jordan and sheffield each hitting 2 out 9th inning homeruns was great
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Old 05-08-02, 12:14 PM   #19
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looking forward to tonight's game. Thankyou for Perez.
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Old 05-08-02, 12:14 PM   #20
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Thankyou for Perez.
no problem

great young talent
didnt fit into our rotation though
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A pre- All-Star break thread resurrection here... So, as of 6/25, here run the statistics...

Sheffield
G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB CS OBP SLG AVG
62 232 33 61 7 0 11 34 32 32 7 0 .361 .435 .263

Jordan
G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB CS OBP SLG AVG
64 238 42 66 15 3 11 38 20 40 0 1 .335 .504 .277

And as and added bonus, here's some pitching statistics from Odalis Perez...
G GS CG SHO IP H R ER HR BB SO W L Sv
15 15 2 1 116.0 84 30 30 8 15 79 9 3 0
P/GS BAA ERA
94.3 .206 2.33

So, it seems that Jordan and Sheffied are about even, but when the Odalis element is factored in, the Shef-O-Meter tips quite favorably in the direction of the Dodgers.

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didnt fit into our rotation though
Would young Odalis fit now? You decide...
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Old 06-26-02, 12:27 AM   #22
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I think the trade is still good for Atlanta. Sheffield needs to rest over the 3 days for the all star break and then come back during the 2nd half with a vengeance. I think he'll finish the season in fine form.

As for our starting pitching,

Glavine
Maddux
Millwood
Marquis
Moss

That's 2 lefty's and 3 righties, a couple of power pitchers and some finesse pitchers. I think we are doing alright with them...

I just hope Cox gives up on Albie Lopez as a starter. The guy just hasn't got it, as the Mets proved tonight.
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Old 06-26-02, 04:46 AM   #23
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Would young Odalis fit now? You decide...
i never said he wasnt fit, i said he didnt fit into the braves rotation
he is doing very well in LA, but he never put up those types of numbers and probably wouldnt have ever been given the opportunity here in atlanta.. considering atlanta's starting pitchers have the best era in the majors (as far as that goes, their relief pitchers also have the best era in the majors)..

as far as gary vs brian.. its a wash.. they have both been about even.. but I think sheff has fit in well with the team.. and part of the reason why they have gone 17-5 so far in june and are 17 games over 500, with a strong lead on first. sheff was one of the bigger trades made, and the team is doing much better this season, then they were at this time last season.
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Old 06-26-02, 08:55 PM   #24
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Grand slams are so "last week"

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Old 06-26-02, 09:10 PM   #25
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Grand slams are so "last week"
Haha, too bad Sheff couldn't corral that "Trachsel triple" ball last night...
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