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Blade Runner 2049 (Villeneuve, 2017) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Thread
10-09-17, 07:03 AM
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Saying this movie ended "with a martial arts fight" is like saying The Silence of the Lambs ended "with a chase through the house" or that The Shawshank Redemption ended "with a guy breaking out of prison".
10-09-17, 07:39 AM
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Re: Blade Runner 2049 (Villeneuve, 2017) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Thread
10-09-17, 08:08 AM
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Someone help me out with the my misogyny claims. There were 3 female leads. The Lieutenant was a solid role and in a position of authority. She got killed by another woman which leads me to Luv. She was a strong henchman and the main big bad of the movie. She was an equal foil to Joe in almost every way. She's killed by the film lead. Joi was also killed by Luv and had a strong role in the film.
10-09-17, 08:34 AM
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Re: Blade Runner 2049 (Villeneuve, 2017) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Thread
Saw the movie last night. Thought it was pretty damn good, if not great. A worthy sequel to the original.
I don't know how they expected to make money off this movie. Most of us know the original, but i would guess a lot of people haven't seen it. You really need to know the original to understand what was going on IMHO and the emotional payoffs all derive from the original.
It was long, but I enjoyed spending every second in the Blade Runner universe.
As far as misogny, well thats what you get when two of your main female leads are on their surface, hookers or virtual sex bots. Unfortunate, people can't see beyond that. But we have reached an era when agendas dominate the realities.
I don't know how they expected to make money off this movie. Most of us know the original, but i would guess a lot of people haven't seen it. You really need to know the original to understand what was going on IMHO and the emotional payoffs all derive from the original.
It was long, but I enjoyed spending every second in the Blade Runner universe.
As far as misogny, well thats what you get when two of your main female leads are on their surface, hookers or virtual sex bots. Unfortunate, people can't see beyond that. But we have reached an era when agendas dominate the realities.
10-09-17, 08:36 AM
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Re: Blade Runner 2049 (Villeneuve, 2017) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Thread
Someone help me out with the my misogyny claims. There were 3 female leads. The Lieutenant was a solid role and in a position of authority. She got killed by another woman which leads me to Luv. She was a strong henchman and the main big bad of the movie. She was an equal foil to Joe in almost every way. She's killed by the film lead. Joi was also killed by Luv and had a strong role in the film.
I guess because Joi is sexbot? And there’s some female nudity? And women are killed? A male replicant kills a female replicant? That’s the best I can come up with. If taken out of context like that, sure, sounds like maybe it is misogynistic, but that’s just touching on the surface and not really examining the film with real depth.
10-09-17, 08:37 AM
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Because it was something that was established. Not just Wallace but the Replicant uprising. Either that, or it's TWO of the biggest red herrings ever. I really hope that the studio or Ridley, Denis, whomever, come out and say that they were open to the possibilities of more. It's so fucking glaring.
It obviously didn't bother you and that's fine. It bothered me and I still liked the film, but for something like this -- it required resolution.
It obviously didn't bother you and that's fine. It bothered me and I still liked the film, but for something like this -- it required resolution.
10-09-17, 08:52 AM
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10-09-17, 08:52 AM
#109
Re: Blade Runner 2049 (Villeneuve, 2017) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Thread
I totally agree with you, johnnysd.
I LOVE the 1982 original, but I really didn't like the sequel.
It's like every shot is: "Hey, look, I'm Denis Villaneuve, and I can linger on this shot for 5 minutes because I'm Denis Villaneuve and this is supposed to be high art."
Also, they took the Sam Spade/Pillip Marlowe/film noir heart out of Blade Runner and only kept in the existential stuff from the original.
And finally, I really, really missed Vangelis' score. Hans Zimmer's synth score was just loud ambient noise
I'm sorry.
Tron Legacy couldn't do it. Blade Runner 2049 couldn't do it. Mad Max Fury Road is the only sequel in recent memory to successfully pick up a franchise decades later.
10-09-17, 09:08 AM
#110
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Re: Blade Runner 2049 (Villeneuve, 2017) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Thread
Wasn't the point of Joi that she wasn't just a hooker bot but something far more?
10-09-17, 09:19 AM
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The guy is crazy, ok. He doesn't exude 'genius' as much as he does 'serial killer'. The original Tyrell was so much better.
And again--why would he want robots that can reproduce? It's like samsung wanting reproducing cell phones. Keep 2 Galaxy S8's in a box and soon you'll have a functioning S9? It's so much more inefficient than an assembly line.
And all the insistence that the movie doesn't 'end with a martial arts cliche battle' simply because it ends 15 minutes later? The conflict in the movie ends after the battle. The rest is resolution.
Seriously people chuckled in my theater during the epic fight scene when the camera suddenly cuts to Harrison Ford looking stressed out and futzing about in his seat like a lost senior citizen. It wasnt clear he was TIED to the seat and he just seemed so helpless and silly.
Given all the flaws, the people clamoring to declare it a masterpiece are really just wanting a masterpiece to exist in this years trainwreck of a movie industry.
10-09-17, 09:21 AM
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Re: Blade Runner 2049 (Villeneuve, 2017) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Thread
Saw this Sunday and loved it. Better than the original?? Hard to say since I don't think there is a way for me to remove the nostalgia factor. I thought they did a brilliant job of progressing the world from Blade Runner. Nothing huge from technology standpoint, but a natural, slight evolution. Cinematography was top notch with some really beautiful imagery.
I thought the performances were solid top to bottom. I like how there wasn't really a true "bad guy" in that you could see the point of view of each group and why they did/thought what they did. It was interesting to see that the meeting of Deckard and Rachel was implied to be intentional. If you take it at face value, it really changes how you look at Blade Runner. I didn't think they would come close to being able to recreate that world, much less the feel...but I was wrong. I'll have to catch this in theaters at least once more.
I thought the performances were solid top to bottom. I like how there wasn't really a true "bad guy" in that you could see the point of view of each group and why they did/thought what they did. It was interesting to see that the meeting of Deckard and Rachel was implied to be intentional. If you take it at face value, it really changes how you look at Blade Runner. I didn't think they would come close to being able to recreate that world, much less the feel...but I was wrong. I'll have to catch this in theaters at least once more.
10-09-17, 09:24 AM
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The girl was a branded product that was in no way supposed to be unique. It played him because it was programmed to, not even to mention how it could have been hacked for information the whole time (until the antenna broke?).
10-09-17, 09:34 AM
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Re: Blade Runner 2049 (Villeneuve, 2017) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Thread
Was she just acting as programmed (to please K) there? Did she actually think she was making the choice free will?
Emotions.
To be...
On the other hand, she is just a replicant without a body. We know the trouble some of those replicants are willing to go through.
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10-09-17, 09:42 AM
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Re: Blade Runner 2049 (Villeneuve, 2017) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Thread
I think it was poorly written in this regard. If they wanted it to be a true ai, they should have given it a reason.
All they show and indicate is that she's off the shelf. She acts so hollow in the beginning too: Pretending the food is real, acting like june cleaver.
In the movie 'Her' they take you through the change that the ai makes: She explains how she is deciding to do things differently. She takes cues from the guy and changes her makeup that then cascades into the whole populace of the movie who bought the same ai---that was revolutionary within the story, the ai awakening was the revolution.
With Blade Runner 2049, she's a side story and they don't put time into why this ai--that is presumably a big seller--is different with K. Surely other replicants use one?
All they show and indicate is that she's off the shelf. She acts so hollow in the beginning too: Pretending the food is real, acting like june cleaver.
In the movie 'Her' they take you through the change that the ai makes: She explains how she is deciding to do things differently. She takes cues from the guy and changes her makeup that then cascades into the whole populace of the movie who bought the same ai---that was revolutionary within the story, the ai awakening was the revolution.
With Blade Runner 2049, she's a side story and they don't put time into why this ai--that is presumably a big seller--is different with K. Surely other replicants use one?
10-09-17, 09:42 AM
#116
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Re: Blade Runner 2049 (Villeneuve, 2017) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Thread
That's the one that got me. I thought she was more than what she was programmed to be but then when the giant advertisement said Joe I was taken aback. Although I think that's a positive to the character and not a negative. Whether it was written to try and be ambiguous or that's how she played it I thought it was perfect.
10-09-17, 09:46 AM
#117
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Re: Blade Runner 2049 (Villeneuve, 2017) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Thread
I think it was poorly written in this regard. If they wanted it to be a true ai, they should have given it a reason.
All they show and indicate is that she's off the shelf. She acts so hollow in the beginning too: Pretending the food is real, acting like june cleaver
All they show and indicate is that she's off the shelf. She acts so hollow in the beginning too: Pretending the food is real, acting like june cleaver
In the movie 'Her' they take you through the change that the ai makes: She explains how she is deciding to do things differently. She takes cues from the guy and changes her makeup that then cascades into the whole populace of the movie who bought the same ai---that was revolutionary within the story, the ai awakening was the revolution.
A side story is all she needed to be. A side story can raise tons of questions and themes.
10-09-17, 09:47 AM
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Re: Blade Runner 2049 (Villeneuve, 2017) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Thread
That's the one that got me. I thought she was more than what she was programmed to be but then when the giant advertisement said Joe I was taken aback. Although I think that's a positive to the character and not a negative. Whether it was written to try and be ambiguous or that's how she played it I thought it was perfect.
It is an exact future representation of a chat bot.
They have 'sex dolls' that can have actual sex in the blade runner universe, with artifical intelligence too--Im surprised they took a step back technologically to pretend that 'aw gee shes so hot and says all the right things but you cant have actual sex with her'
If K had more money would he have purchased a real sex replicant?
10-09-17, 09:55 AM
#119
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Re: Blade Runner 2049 (Villeneuve, 2017) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Thread
Remember how she acted when she could first walk without the hardware on the ceiling? Remember the look of wonder in her eyes?
Was she really feeling emotion? Did she think she was?
A replicant is just a chat bot with a body, right?
10-09-17, 09:58 AM
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10-09-17, 10:00 AM
#121
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Re: Blade Runner 2049 (Villeneuve, 2017) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Thread
To me, it was sloppy and didn't feel earned, because the bigger battle/war is still to come.
10-09-17, 10:01 AM
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10-09-17, 10:05 AM
#123
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Re: Blade Runner 2049 (Villeneuve, 2017) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Thread
They should have kept them in the background and just alluded to them instead of actually showing them doing and plotting things. It went from having an explicit meaning to an implicit meaning by the end -- which didn't seem to be the point considering Wallace was pulling the strings and was shown doing these things along with introducing the leader of the resistance and what they were up to. Hell, even what's her face melded with Joi to gather recon. Why go through all that and not have a pay off? Fuck this being just about K. The film was 2 hrs 45mins long -- the whole movie revolved around him.
To me, it was sloppy and didn't feel earned, because the bigger battle/war is still to come.
To me, it was sloppy and didn't feel earned, because the bigger battle/war is still to come.
This isn't Prometheus and whatever the hell the other one was level.
10-09-17, 10:09 AM
#124
Re: Blade Runner 2049 (Villeneuve, 2017) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Thread
I think some of you miss the subtle themes?
Remember how she acted when she could first walk without the hardware on the ceiling? Remember the look of wonder in her eyes?
Was she really feeling emotion? Did she think she was?
A replicant is just a chat bot with a body, right?
Remember how she acted when she could first walk without the hardware on the ceiling? Remember the look of wonder in her eyes?
Was she really feeling emotion? Did she think she was?
A replicant is just a chat bot with a body, right?
The 'wonder in her eyes' was fine but she had no skin. I couldn't believe she was anything more than faking her whole existence. A replicant by design is more susceptible to the human condition and independent thought (rebellion) because it is so much closer to human: Skin, eyes, heartbeat, genitals.
The theme from the original Blade Runner is that when you make something so human, you get the added results of surprising human behavior.
The virtual girlfriend in BR 2049 is so much further removed from the human experince. Shes more computer than human because of her limited input and lack of 'fleshy' hardware.
10-09-17, 10:13 AM
#125
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Re: Blade Runner 2049 (Villeneuve, 2017) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Thread
Why, because of the tactile experience? She was a program hooked to a house maintenance machine. She sure seemed determined to get a sense of the tactile world when she invited the whore over. Her voice even had a bit of venom and yearning to it when she told the whore that she was trying to sync.
It is odd how easily you desire to just throw that off to the side as nothing.