Let's talk about Ultra HD Blu-ray
#1101
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Re: Let's talk about Ultra HD Blu-ray
Believe it or not, the Entertainment Software Association's most recent survey pegs the average age of a "frequent game purchaser" as 38. Average age of a male gamer is 35.
I think Sony just couldn't make the numbers work. UHD BD support would require either raising the price or losing their margins, and they decided it wasn't worth it.
I think Sony just couldn't make the numbers work. UHD BD support would require either raising the price or losing their margins, and they decided it wasn't worth it.
#1102
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Re: Let's talk about Ultra HD Blu-ray
So who here on the forums is 4K compliant and collecting UHD? Can't believe there isnt' more chatter about UHD here.
Seems like a good time to be into the format. After a few months, we're really going to have a nice blend of new and catalog titles.
Seems like a good time to be into the format. After a few months, we're really going to have a nice blend of new and catalog titles.
#1103
DVD Talk Legend
Re: Let's talk about Ultra HD Blu-ray
I got mine a couple months ago. To date I only have 3 UHD titles; Hacksaw Ridge, John Wick and Jack Reacher. Don't think I would upgrade any BR to UHD, but any new titles in UHD that I would buy I would get the UHD version assuming the difference is
#1104
Banned by request
Re: Let's talk about Ultra HD Blu-ray
I will say this, this weekend I've been messing with UHD on Vudu and comparing it to the UHD of movies like with Star Trek Beyond, Magnificent Seven, Arrival, and BvS. At least for now, the UHD will reign supreme. In one particular instance because my area briefly lost internet service for about an hour. Good thing UHD isn't dependent on that. But for me, I can see a slightly crisper picture from HDX to UHD streaming. But there seems to be an added smoothness with watching the disc. Atmos sound is overall more or less the same.
#1105
DVD Talk Godfather
Re: Let's talk about Ultra HD Blu-ray
I'm waiting for a UHD player. I don't care enough to buy a standalone player and since the PS4 Pro didn't come with one, i'm basically waiting for the Xbox Scorpio.
#1106
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Re: Let's talk about Ultra HD Blu-ray
Speaking of, here's a bit about the Scorpio (and Samsung QLED TV's).
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#1107
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I have an Xbox One S and tried that for a UHD player. It's perfectly fine but I also just bought the new Sony UHD player which seemingly outperforms the Oppo and Samsung players. Disc compatibility has been amazing... and it's only $300. It looks better too.
But I can certainly understand wanting to get more bang for your buck with a console option. I'd reconsider the Scorpio, personally. Microsoft has a foot out the console space. The other one will follow eventually. They're going to try with the Scorpio but if it underperforms for them expect even heavier integration of their games in the PC world.
Discs can also be expensive but they are a premium product currently and they also come with a Blu-ray copy so I'm alright with it. Discs go on sale from time to time though. Right now there's a handful of discs at Best Buy for only $14.99.
But I can certainly understand wanting to get more bang for your buck with a console option. I'd reconsider the Scorpio, personally. Microsoft has a foot out the console space. The other one will follow eventually. They're going to try with the Scorpio but if it underperforms for them expect even heavier integration of their games in the PC world.
Discs can also be expensive but they are a premium product currently and they also come with a Blu-ray copy so I'm alright with it. Discs go on sale from time to time though. Right now there's a handful of discs at Best Buy for only $14.99.
#1108
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Re: Let's talk about Ultra HD Blu-ray
I have an Xbox One S and tried that for a UHD player. It's perfectly fine but I also just bought the new Sony UHD player which seemingly outperforms the Oppo and Samsung players. Disc compatibility has been amazing... and it's only $300. It looks better too.
But I can certainly understand wanting to get more bang for your buck with a console option. I'd reconsider the Scorpio, personally. Microsoft has a foot out the console space. The other one will follow eventually. They're going to try with the Scorpio but if it underperforms for them expect even heavier integration of their games in the PC world.
Discs can also be expensive but they are a premium product currently and they also come with a Blu-ray copy so I'm alright with it. Discs go on sale from time to time though. Right now there's a handful of discs at Best Buy for only $14.99.
But I can certainly understand wanting to get more bang for your buck with a console option. I'd reconsider the Scorpio, personally. Microsoft has a foot out the console space. The other one will follow eventually. They're going to try with the Scorpio but if it underperforms for them expect even heavier integration of their games in the PC world.
Discs can also be expensive but they are a premium product currently and they also come with a Blu-ray copy so I'm alright with it. Discs go on sale from time to time though. Right now there's a handful of discs at Best Buy for only $14.99.
#1109
DVD Talk Reviewer
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I say seemingly because I don't have an Oppo, but apparently the Oppo has had some hiccups and it isn't always smooth sailing with disc compatibility. I've heard people report stutters and/or slight freezes when watching discs, flickering, etc. There are those who are really happy with Oppo as well so take it all with a grain of salt, but it's been said that the technology inside the Sony player is pretty darn close to whatever the Oppo is using.
Another thing too is, the Oppo is what, $550? The Sony undercuts that by a lot. When you're spending that less, even if the Sony had minor shortcomings when compared to the Oppo, it's worth biting at that price point.
Another thing too is, the Oppo is what, $550? The Sony undercuts that by a lot. When you're spending that less, even if the Sony had minor shortcomings when compared to the Oppo, it's worth biting at that price point.
#1110
Banned by request
Re: Let's talk about Ultra HD Blu-ray
Hell, I got the Phillips 7501 for $98 and it does everything the other players do. And I have zero need for it to play every file type, so it works out just fine for me. And I already have another Region free player, so I don't need it for that.
#1111
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Eh, not every player is created equally when it comes to quality. You definitely got the 'bang for the buck' option but I wanted to get a stand-alone that was both of high quality and bang for the buck, and just before this Sony player came out, that answer was most likely the Xbox One S. Now, I'm thrilled to have the Sony and I haven't even turned on my Xbox One S in weeks.
#1112
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I say seemingly because I don't have an Oppo, but apparently the Oppo has had some hiccups and it isn't always smooth sailing with disc compatibility. I've heard people report stutters and/or slight freezes when watching discs, flickering, etc. There are those who are really happy with Oppo as well so take it all with a grain of salt, but it's been said that the technology inside the Sony player is pretty darn close to whatever the Oppo is using.
Another thing too is, the Oppo is what, $550? The Sony undercuts that by a lot. When you're spending that less, even if the Sony had minor shortcomings when compared to the Oppo, it's worth biting at that price point.
Another thing too is, the Oppo is what, $550? The Sony undercuts that by a lot. When you're spending that less, even if the Sony had minor shortcomings when compared to the Oppo, it's worth biting at that price point.
#1113
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Re: Let's talk about Ultra HD Blu-ray
Eh, not every player is created equally when it comes to quality. You definitely got the 'bang for the buck' option but I wanted to get a stand-alone that was both of high quality and bang for the buck, and just before this Sony player came out, that answer was most likely the Xbox One S. Now, I'm thrilled to have the Sony and I haven't even turned on my Xbox One S in weeks.
#1114
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Re: Let's talk about Ultra HD Blu-ray
If you're happy with it, that's all that matters. I've seen reviews and comments online that say it doesn't produce as sharp a 4K image as other players, so that's why I wouldn't personally consider it.
#1116
DVD Talk Godfather
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But I can certainly understand wanting to get more bang for your buck with a console option. I'd reconsider the Scorpio, personally. Microsoft has a foot out the console space. The other one will follow eventually. They're going to try with the Scorpio but if it underperforms for them expect even heavier integration of their games in the PC world.
#1117
DVD Talk God
Re: Let's talk about Ultra HD Blu-ray
I picked up an XBox One S over the Holidays (trading my old 360 and a bunch of 360 games)
I got it mainly for the next gen game upgrade, but I like that I get more bang for my buck with the UHD capabilities as well.
I haven't gone crazy buying a shit load of discs. Discs aren't cheap. I did pick up a few: Magnificent 7, Jack Reacher: Never Go Back, Passengers, and Hacksaw Ridge.
This is an extremely niche product and I know it's not going to appeal to everyone. So for the most part, I'm still going to pick up the BD of a movie I really like, but for UHD's, I'm going to be really selective.
In this day and age when many homes have less disposable income and far too many options for entertainment, I don't think UHD will be a huge hit and sell like hot cakes. But, it will have it's niche appeal and followers.
I got it mainly for the next gen game upgrade, but I like that I get more bang for my buck with the UHD capabilities as well.
I haven't gone crazy buying a shit load of discs. Discs aren't cheap. I did pick up a few: Magnificent 7, Jack Reacher: Never Go Back, Passengers, and Hacksaw Ridge.
This is an extremely niche product and I know it's not going to appeal to everyone. So for the most part, I'm still going to pick up the BD of a movie I really like, but for UHD's, I'm going to be really selective.
In this day and age when many homes have less disposable income and far too many options for entertainment, I don't think UHD will be a huge hit and sell like hot cakes. But, it will have it's niche appeal and followers.
#1118
DVD Talk Legend
Re: Let's talk about Ultra HD Blu-ray
I picked up an XBox One S over the Holidays (trading my old 360 and a bunch of 360 games)
I got it mainly for the next gen game upgrade, but I like that I get more bang for my buck with the UHD capabilities as well.
I haven't gone crazy buying a shit load of discs. Discs aren't cheap. I did pick up a few: Magnificent 7, Jack Reacher: Never Go Back, Passengers, and Hacksaw Ridge.
This is an extremely niche product and I know it's not going to appeal to everyone. So for the most part, I'm still going to pick up the BD of a movie I really like, but for UHD's, I'm going to be really selective.
In this day and age when many homes have less disposable income and far too many options for entertainment, I don't think UHD will be a huge hit and sell like hot cakes. But, it will have it's niche appeal and followers.
I got it mainly for the next gen game upgrade, but I like that I get more bang for my buck with the UHD capabilities as well.
I haven't gone crazy buying a shit load of discs. Discs aren't cheap. I did pick up a few: Magnificent 7, Jack Reacher: Never Go Back, Passengers, and Hacksaw Ridge.
This is an extremely niche product and I know it's not going to appeal to everyone. So for the most part, I'm still going to pick up the BD of a movie I really like, but for UHD's, I'm going to be really selective.
In this day and age when many homes have less disposable income and far too many options for entertainment, I don't think UHD will be a huge hit and sell like hot cakes. But, it will have it's niche appeal and followers.
VHS - DVD = Revolutionary - Holy Crappolli, the picture, the sound, the extras, we love it.
DVD - BR = Evolutionary - looks great, one of these days I'll have to upgrade
BR -UHD = tweak, sure I see the difference, I'll have to upgrade when my TV starts to go.
4K - 8K = minor adjustment, I guess I kind of see a difference, muther f'er I have to upgrade again?
8K - 12K = 5 out of 10 can't see the difference. I'll be old and have given up on technology anyway, no more upgrades.
#1119
Political Exile
Re: Let's talk about Ultra HD Blu-ray
You missed laser disc in between VHS and DVD. It made DVD evolutionary too, similar resolution, dolby digital audio, commentary tracks, etc.
#1120
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Re: Let's talk about Ultra HD Blu-ray
However, I think JimRochester's comparison is accurate in that, for the majority of consumers, the transition was from VHS to DVD.
And that may mean that for the majority of consumers, the transition from DVD wasn't to Blu-ray, UHD Blu-ray, etc, but to streaming. Like how music went from audio cassette to CD to digital download/streaming, forgoing the superior audio of SACD, DVD-A, and Blu-ray audio for convenience.
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Picked up an XBOX One S over the holidays, scored X-Men Apocalypse with it. Also picked up Batman V Superman and received Ghostbusters as a gift. I like the upgraded picture quality, but the prices on releases have put me off from making further purchases
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#1124
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Just to clarify: Laserdisc was first demonstrated in 1972, but wasn't released commercially until 1978. VHS had a functional prototype in 1973, but was released commercially in 1976. So Laserdisc was "invented" first, but released second.
Of course, there were also home videocassette precursors to VHS, like the U-Matic released in 1971, The "VCR" format released in 1972, the Cartrivision format, also in 1972, and of course Betamax, released in 1975:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Videoc...r#Sony_U-matic
Of course, there were also home videocassette precursors to VHS, like the U-Matic released in 1971, The "VCR" format released in 1972, the Cartrivision format, also in 1972, and of course Betamax, released in 1975:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Videoc...r#Sony_U-matic
#1125
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If they are going to take their UHDs from 2k sources, we are not going to see much of an upgrade over a BD. I popped in my 4k copy of Suicide Squad and then the blu ray and they looked identical. I couldn't any discernible differences. It sounds like the same thing is happening on many of the other supposed 4k releases.