Go Back  DVD Talk Forum > Archives > Archives
Reload this Page >

Coppola or Kubrick?

Community
Search
Archives Old posts on the forum. They go here to rest in peace.
View Poll Results: Whose work do you prefer?
Francis Ford Coppola
32.32%
Stanley Kubrick
67.68%
Voters: 99. You may not vote on this poll

Coppola or Kubrick?

 
Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 08-02-10, 04:45 PM
  #26  
Banned by request
 
Supermallet's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: Termite Terrace
Posts: 54,150
Likes: 0
Received 8 Likes on 8 Posts
Re: Coppola or Kubrick?

Actually, the one filmmaker I might consider choosing over Kubrick, Godard, is one of the ones who helped secure Hitchcock's place as the poster child for the auteur theory.
Supermallet is offline  
Old 08-02-10, 05:13 PM
  #27  
Banned
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Formerly known as "Solid Snake PAC"/Denton, Tx
Posts: 39,239
Likes: 0
Received 4 Likes on 4 Posts
Re: Coppola or Kubrick?

Originally Posted by Suprmallet
No, it's not because he came before. Scorsese was not referring to when he was a kid, but now, as a master filmmaker, and he still looks up to Kubrick.

If you changed the question to, "Whose films would you want to wipe off the face of the planet?" and the choices are Kubrick or any other filmmaker, I would always choose the other filmmaker
.
I just asked this in my class. While most of us thought about it. We agreed. Kubrick is something else. No offense to Scorsese (specifically but this also applies to other directors) but his films as good as they are always seem something that could've been made or attempted by someone else. Better than him? I'd like to think not but maybe as good. Kubrick? Only Kubrick could do what Kubrick did. No one else could've come up w/ that vision or design of that physical plane he controlled except him.
Solid Snake is offline  
Old 08-02-10, 05:18 PM
  #28  
DVD Talk Legend
 
asianxcore's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: California
Posts: 20,247
Received 361 Likes on 304 Posts
Re: Coppola or Kubrick?

Coppola

My parents named me after him
asianxcore is offline  
Old 08-02-10, 05:40 PM
  #29  
Banned by request
 
Supermallet's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: Termite Terrace
Posts: 54,150
Likes: 0
Received 8 Likes on 8 Posts
Re: Coppola or Kubrick?

Alright smarty pants, if you could save only one filmmaker's filmography, whose would it be?
Supermallet is offline  
Old 08-02-10, 05:47 PM
  #30  
DVD Talk Hero
 
TomOpus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Kansas City, MO
Posts: 40,141
Received 1,300 Likes on 944 Posts
Re: Coppola or Kubrick?

I voted Kubrick based solely on the fact that he directed 2001: A Space Odyssey.
TomOpus is offline  
Old 08-02-10, 06:00 PM
  #31  
DVD Talk Hall of Fame
 
Travis McClain's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Western Hemisphere
Posts: 7,758
Received 176 Likes on 116 Posts
Re: Coppola or Kubrick?

Originally Posted by Suprmallet
Actually, the one filmmaker I might consider choosing over Kubrick, Godard, is one of the ones who helped secure Hitchcock's place as the poster child for the auteur theory.
I despise the self-aggrandizing auteur theory. I recognize there are a handful of directors who actually did wear many hats on a production, but it's come to be that everywhere I look someone is trying to act like they're "in the know" by referring to a movie as "[Director's Name]'s [Title of Movie]." There are way too many screenwriters, directors of photography, composers, costume designers, set designers, etc. whose work is largely of their own design to give every damn director the kind of all-encompassing credit that the auteur theory would have you believe.
Travis McClain is offline  
Old 08-02-10, 06:18 PM
  #32  
Banned by request
 
Supermallet's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: Termite Terrace
Posts: 54,150
Likes: 0
Received 8 Likes on 8 Posts
Re: Coppola or Kubrick?

I think I might choose Jodorowsky just to spite you all.

And I wasn't taking offense. I just didn't use a smiley to indicate I was joking.
Supermallet is offline  
Old 08-02-10, 06:28 PM
  #33  
DVD Talk Limited Edition
 
Sessa17's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2000
Location: NJ, the place where smiles go to die
Posts: 7,393
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Re: Coppola or Kubrick?

Originally Posted by Suprmallet
Actually, the one filmmaker I might consider choosing over Kubrick, Godard, is one of the ones who helped secure Hitchcock's place as the poster child for the auteur theory.
As I've posted numerous times, Godard is my all-time favorite filmmaker, I never knew there was another huge fan here. I do consider 2001 to be possibly the greatest piece of directing of all-time though.
Sessa17 is offline  
Old 08-02-10, 06:29 PM
  #34  
Banned by request
 
Supermallet's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: Termite Terrace
Posts: 54,150
Likes: 0
Received 8 Likes on 8 Posts
Re: Coppola or Kubrick?

I consider 2001: A Space Odyssey to be the greatest thing put on film (with Duck Amuck a close second), but the things that Godard did in the 60's still boggles my mind.
Supermallet is offline  
Old 08-02-10, 06:36 PM
  #35  
Banned
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Formerly known as "Solid Snake PAC"/Denton, Tx
Posts: 39,239
Likes: 0
Received 4 Likes on 4 Posts
Re: Coppola or Kubrick?

I like Godard...but....Kubrick...Kubrick is Kubrick. FMJ, 2001, Barry Lyndon (we still need a damn fine SE on BD for this film! ASAP!), The Shining, Eyes Wide Shut (which I'm still trying to get a grasp on), Paths of Glory (I love you, Criterion, for finally being the ones to give a damn about!), Clockwork Orange etc...He just was awesome. I'm still in awe of what he did in 2001. Just...amazing work. A lot (if not all) of the effects still hold VERY strongly today.
Solid Snake is offline  
Old 08-02-10, 06:43 PM
  #36  
DVD Talk Hall of Fame
 
Travis McClain's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Western Hemisphere
Posts: 7,758
Received 176 Likes on 116 Posts
Re: Coppola or Kubrick?

Originally Posted by Solid Snake PAC
I like Godard...but....Kubrick...Kubrick is Kubrick. FMJ, 2001, Barry Lyndon (we still need a damn fine SE on BD for this film! ASAP!), The Shining, Eyes Wide Shut (which I'm still trying to get a grasp on), Paths of Glory (I love you, Criterion, for finally being the ones to give a damn about!), Clockwork Orange etc...He just was awesome. I'm still in awe of what he did in 2001. Just...amazing work. A lot (if not all) of the effects still hold VERY strongly today.
I highly suggest tracking down the source material, Arthur Schnitzler's Traumnovelle (Dream Story). Warner Books published a translation of it in a volume that also includes Kubrick's screenplay. I found it easier to get to the heart of the characters in the print medium. When I re-watched the film after doing my reading homework, I found myself absorbing all new things.

As a starting point for someone who might not be interested in doing that kind of reading, I would at least suggest that you re-watch the film and pay close attention to the use of color throughout (especially reds and blues). There is quite a lot going on from start to finish in that film. I'm excited to see it on Blu-ray at some point; I treated myself to it from Amazon last December and have been waiting for the time to feel right to return to the film.
Travis McClain is offline  
Old 08-02-10, 06:45 PM
  #37  
Banned by request
 
Supermallet's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: Termite Terrace
Posts: 54,150
Likes: 0
Received 8 Likes on 8 Posts
Re: Coppola or Kubrick?

Spoiler:
Eyes Wide Shut is an example of a film about dreams that is both technically stunning and emotionally relevant, unlike Inception.
Supermallet is offline  
Old 08-02-10, 06:46 PM
  #38  
En vacance
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Posts: 2,512
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Re: Coppola or Kubrick?

Originally Posted by Geofferson
Kubrick - who directed one of my favorite movies:

Kubrick solely for that^, Spartacus, Strangelove and 2001 which is better than Coppola's 70s quartet.

However i like Leone even more than Kubrick.
FRwL is offline  
Old 08-02-10, 06:48 PM
  #39  
En vacance
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Posts: 2,512
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Re: Coppola or Kubrick?

Originally Posted by Suprmallet
I consider 2001: A Space Odyssey to be the greatest thing put on film (with Duck Amuck a close second), but the things that Godard did in the 60's still boggles my mind.
Dammit i need to see Godard.
FRwL is offline  
Old 08-02-10, 06:49 PM
  #40  
Banned by request
 
Supermallet's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: Termite Terrace
Posts: 54,150
Likes: 0
Received 8 Likes on 8 Posts
Re: Coppola or Kubrick?

Check out Band of Outsiders and Pierrot Le Fou.
Supermallet is offline  
Old 08-02-10, 06:50 PM
  #41  
Banned
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Formerly known as "Solid Snake PAC"/Denton, Tx
Posts: 39,239
Likes: 0
Received 4 Likes on 4 Posts
Re: Coppola or Kubrick?

That book is on my list of things to get. I've yet to reach that point. But trust me...Visually speaking...EWS is very interesting. As contextual piece...I've no fucking idea what to make of it. I think I get it but out of all the films that I never had issues on "getting" it's fucking EWS that leaves me visually entranced by contextually confused.
Solid Snake is offline  
Old 08-02-10, 06:51 PM
  #42  
DVD Talk Legend
 
Join Date: Sep 1999
Location: Relocated to Bot-Hell
Posts: 11,819
Received 239 Likes on 175 Posts
Re: Coppola or Kubrick?

Coppola. Apocalypse Now. My favorite movie, thus my choice.
rexinnih is offline  
Old 08-02-10, 06:52 PM
  #43  
Banned by request
 
Supermallet's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: Termite Terrace
Posts: 54,150
Likes: 0
Received 8 Likes on 8 Posts
Re: Coppola or Kubrick?

Solid Snake, EWS is so much more than just a visual spectacle. Definitely read Traumnovelle and check out some critical essays on the film.
Supermallet is offline  
Old 08-02-10, 06:56 PM
  #44  
DVD Talk Hall of Fame
 
Travis McClain's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Western Hemisphere
Posts: 7,758
Received 176 Likes on 116 Posts
Re: Coppola or Kubrick?

Originally Posted by Suprmallet
Spoiler:
Eyes Wide Shut is an example of a film about dreams that is both technically stunning and emotionally relevant, unlike Inception.
I haven't seen [that other movie], so any comparison is beyond me at the moment. I will say, though, that Eyes Wide Shut invites more reflection and exploration than anything I've seen since. It's a very personal film, I think. You have to have the kind of fear of loss that drives Bill Hartford to begin to connect with him, and that level of fear only comes from having a certain kind of mature relationship. In turn, it's a film then that requires on a certain maturity from its audience.

I've said before; I was 21 when it was released and it was quite simply beyond me at the time. I had to grow into it. And yet, even as familiar with it as I am now, I love that it teaches me new things each time I return to it. I know the temptation is to want to feel that you've reached a point of true understanding, and I actually find it reassuring to know I'll never get to that point with this film.
Travis McClain is offline  
Old 08-02-10, 06:58 PM
  #45  
Banned by request
 
Supermallet's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: Termite Terrace
Posts: 54,150
Likes: 0
Received 8 Likes on 8 Posts
Re: Coppola or Kubrick?

I first saw it when I was 15, and I could only appreciate its surface pleasures (the visuals, the ominous dread). Having lived more, I now think it may be the most layered of all of Kubrick's films.
Supermallet is offline  
Old 08-02-10, 07:05 PM
  #46  
DVD Talk Hall of Fame
 
Travis McClain's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Western Hemisphere
Posts: 7,758
Received 176 Likes on 116 Posts
Re: Coppola or Kubrick?

Originally Posted by Solid Snake PAC
That book is on my list of things to get. I've yet to reach that point. But trust me...Visually speaking...EWS is very interesting. As contextual piece...I've no fucking idea what to make of it. I think I get it but out of all the films that I never had issues on "getting" it's fucking EWS that leaves me visually entranced by contextually confused.
Here's the thing: Eyes Wide Shut is, at its heart, an exploration of how the perception of things can be just as real as the reality of things. Is lust the same thing as actual cheating? Our instinct is to say, "No," but what this story explores is how damaging the admission of lust can be just as devastating as a confession of cheating. Trust, revenge, love, lust, fear...these are all abstract concepts and, as such, are susceptible to the kind of manipulation that perception can have on them.

But don't, as Levar Burton says, take my word for it. What I've gotten out of the film over the years may be entirely wrong. I will say this, though: until you really feel the film, any meaning it has will elude you. For my money, Tom Cruise has never done any work that comes close to the kind of nuance and depth that he showed in this role. Slamming his fists while walking on the sidewalk seemed a show of irritation on first viewing. But then, the more I related to Bill Hartford, the more symbolic I saw that gesture to be. It's a manifestation of self-doubt, anger, fear, rejection...all this is going on in a very visceral way that would normally be spoon-fed to us as the audience. Instead, Cruise doesn't say a word about Bill's internal thoughts or feelings; he just shows them, and it's up to us to decipher the signs.
Travis McClain is offline  
Old 08-02-10, 07:07 PM
  #47  
Banned by request
 
Supermallet's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: Termite Terrace
Posts: 54,150
Likes: 0
Received 8 Likes on 8 Posts
Re: Coppola or Kubrick?

I do have to give Cruise credit for his work in Magnolia, though. Not quite to the level of his work in EWS, but close. It's also the only good thing about that horrid film.
Supermallet is offline  
Old 08-02-10, 07:48 PM
  #48  
DVD Talk Platinum Edition
 
Mountain Biker's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: Southern California
Posts: 3,416
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Re: Coppola or Kubrick?

The Shining and Full Metal Jacket? No contest. Kubrick, easily
Mountain Biker is offline  
Old 08-02-10, 08:14 PM
  #49  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 605
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Re: Coppola or Kubrick?

I think the first two Godfather films top anything Kubrick ever did. However, he has a more versatile and wider range of films to his credit, so Kubrick.
jmu878 is offline  
Old 08-02-10, 08:28 PM
  #50  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Posts: 553
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Re: Coppola or Kubrick?

As seems to be the consensus, Kubrick's body of work is overall more impressive. But I would take the two Godfather's and Apocalypse Now over any three Kubrick movies.
The Ferret is offline  


Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service -

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.