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Old 09-25-07, 10:28 AM
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After almost 30 years, I've finally given up the floppies.

Well, I'll probably still buy the occasional graphic novel or Omnibus collection, but no more monthly floppies for me from now on. I realized that a lot of my favorite artists/writers (Alans Moore & Davis, Gaiman, Windsor-Smith) just don't put out regular work anymore, and the few that do (Ennis, Morrison, Ellis, K.Vaughn) have been spread so thin, that I stopped caring about their books.

Also, I can't remember the last time I was actually "excited" to read a new book. Lately, I'll buy my floppies and for the most part, they just sit around until I gotta take a dump. So there you go. I mean, I still love comics, I just don't think they love me anymore.
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I'm getting to that point, but not quite ready to quit cold turkey. I also read my comics while sitting on the can until my legs go numb.

While doing some sorting of recent back issues that have piled up, I laid out all the titles I've been buying on the floor in their respective stacks, looking for titles to cut my buying list, and I think I'll be able to cut down a 1/3 of my list for the time being. Just looking for areas to cut down on expenditures now that I have a car payment to account for in the monthly budget.

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I've been slowly cutting down over the last few years anyways, so money wasn't even that big a factor - I think I averaged only about $10 a week.
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There isn't anything that fires my imagination a whole lot anymore either. Sure, there's plenty of good books out there, but there aren't any I can't let sit for a while.

Oh, remind me never to buy any of your "soiled" comics on ebay.
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I find myself reading more of the B&W Marvel Essentials and DC's Showcase Presents books, but I still have a couple floppy books I pick up each month. Like this weekend, I stopped in to my comic shop to see what I had in my pull box, and after about a month and a half of build up, I only had like 8 comic books. So my quantity is pretty easy to manage. I had those read by Monday.

I suppose I could go the trade route, but my life has been filled with floppies, and it's pretty hard to give them up. Now if there would be another price increase per issue, that might be a different story.
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When I read the title of this thread I thought you had finally gotten a DVD reader/burner or had turned gay. My bad.
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I'm telling you guys, you have to take a break from comics every couple years for a long period of time so things don't get stale for you. Sometimes I read this forum and it seems like there's a steady theme of Letdown, disgust, and general boredom with comics and it makes me sad. I take breaks for various reasons all the time.

I had stopped reading, both DC and...gasp...Marvel... back in the 90's. But I started again when DC started the "Identity Crisis" thing and all that followed and I think that long break really helped. I don't know when I'll take another break, but for right now I still get a huge thrill reading my comics. I know that most of you don't think much of me because I won't touch Marvel stuff and I only read the hated DCU, but I honestly wish some of you ready to give up on the hobby felt the same thrill while reading that I do.

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I haven't read "floppies" in years and was missing them so I got every issue of 52, waited until the series was done, and then read them 1 or 2 a day. I had a good time with them and then thought "I could have waited for the trades". I didn't order the individual issues of Countdown.

I also ordered the individual issues of Jeff Smith's Shazam mini, and, while I guess I'm glad I did, I could have waited for the HC or trade.

I guess you can't go home again.
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Monthly comics are an addiction. I truly believe that most people who can resist buying monthly comics for a year or so will not go back to them, at least not at the level they were buying at before. They will find the best of the best will have been collected by then, and for the most part they didn't miss anything earth shattering. I think similarly about tv shows collected on dvd. The thing you'll miss the most is being able to chat about current stuff.

I mean really, take that big stack of comics you bought in the last year... how much of it wasn't collected and/or is even worth re-reading?
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Originally Posted by fujishig
I think similarly about tv shows collected on dvd. The thing you'll miss the most is being able to chat about current stuff.
The only problem with that analogy is that watching tv shows as they air is free, as opposed to $2.99 a shot.

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I mean really, take that big stack of comics you bought in the last year... how much of it wasn't collected and/or is even worth re-reading?
Well, favorite book this decade (Vaughn's Escapist mini-series) came out two years ago, and still doesn't have a collection (though I think a hard-cover is coming out in a few months). That's a long time to go to go to get a collection out. Last Christmas, I just assumed there as a collection of it, as I wanted to get it for a lot of people, since that book explains the greatness of comics like nothing else. But alas, they still hadn't come out with it.
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I don't mean this to sound like a dick, but maybe with comics it's just an age thing, I think people just grow out of a former love for "superhero" stories. For me, I love comics, I love sequential art be it getting geekily excited over new work from Chris Ware or just a new issue of Superman, I could never give it up, the same way I could never stop watching movies. I first started at around age 9 (it was 3rd grade, however old that is) & 15 years later I love them & appreciate them more than ever. My tastes have grown, & whereas a kid I was only Superman & Batman & Thor, now while I still love them, I've very much become an "indie" snob as well. I've got a long way to go for 30 years, but I know I could never go without my weekly fix, it's just a part of who I am. It's the same as movies, or books, or sports or whatever. I can't imagine a day coming where all of a sudden you are just like "I've grown bored with movies, I don't think I'll ever watch one again". But with comics, it seems, especially at a certain age, a lot of comic book readers get this way with this particular medium.
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Sad to hear your pulling back, but maybe that's just what you need.

I agree with Robo that sometimes you need a break, especially when it comes to tights and capes comics. These, like wrestling, are soaps for dudes (and cool women) and just like soaps sometimes you just don't care. Likewise, when it comes to indie stuff there seems to be an influx of new talent and voices every 5 to 7 years or so after the last crop of big indie names moved on to more mainstream work. And they always bring fresh and interesting ideas.

The only thing I've figured out about comics, and how to maintain the love is to simply not read stuff I don't want to. You don't have to read 40 titles to be happy. If all you like is Ex Machina, read that.

While I too have dialed my reading back quite a bit, I'm as happy as a clam with comics. Floppies and trades.
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Sessa, I never said I'm giving up comics completely. Just the weekly fix, mostly because of the way they're presented (monthly, decompressed, ads, price, storage, unpredictability, etc.). I love sequential art too, I've just grown tired of the monthly magazine format when the graphic novel format fits the media so much better. And it may be an age thing, but my perceived lack of truly great regular artists/writers is another reason for my growing ambivalence. I have to admit, the recent Omnibus collections had no small part in this - I LOVE my Omnibus books, and will keep buying them.

BTW, here's a great article on "What if monthly comics ended", and how it could actually be a good thing for the medium:
For the last few years, DC Comics’ universe of interconnected superhero titles have been embroiled in a rolling series of crossovers and events, each supposedly redefining or recreating what has come before, and changing the status quo of the comic book universe as it exists. Starting with Identity Crisis, which had such family fun as Elongated Man’s wife’s murder and the revelation of her rape at the hands (well, you know) of a goofy villain, the comic company has been inundating readers with massive storylines that weave in and out of miniseries, regular series and now two 52-issue weekly series. Every time you turn around, DC Comics is announcing a new spin-off or crossover that you MUST! READ! to get the full story. The latest weekly comic event, Countdown, apparently can’t even hold the main storyline in 52 issues and has already begun branching out into other one shots and miniseries.

Where does it all end? There are two answers: one is it ends when the fans wise up and stop pouring their money into the sinkhole known as DC Comics. The other, official answer, is next May, when Final Crisis begins.

Here’s a touch of history for those of you unfamiliar with the insanity of comic books. Once upon a time, DC Comics published superhero stories in the 30s and 40s. When superhero books became less popular in the 50s, many of the characters were retired from their books and mostly only Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman trekked on. Then in the 60s superheroes took off again, and DC introduced new versions of some of their old characters – there had been a guy with a pie plate on his head called The Flash once, but in the 60s they revamped the character and made him a totally new guy. Nobody cared, because back then you read comics and threw them away when you were done – plus, these characters had stopped publishing decades earlier, and most people gave up reading comics at a certain age.

But the writers at DC wanted to have some fun with their characters and bring back some of the old guys from WWII. They introduced the concept that Flash from WWII lived on a different Earth, dimensionally speaking, from the Flash that was currently being published; this led to some fun crossovers between worlds, which became an annual thing.

Over the years DC Comics accumulated a number of alternate Earths, and in the 80s it was decided that all these Earths were too confusing, and over the course of a 12 issue miniseries called Crisis on Infinite Earths, the many world were winnowed down to one, DC Comics history was reshaped in a big cosmic conflagration, and supposedly a new continuity that would be friendlier to new readers was forged.

Except that it didn’t quite work out, and the new continuity quickly became a mess. And since by the 80s comic nerds became obsessed with continuity, things had to be done. There was Zero Hour: Crisis in Time, which tried to sort out some of the screw-ups that had popped up in DC continuity. That didn’t work, but by the time the early 21st century rolled around, everybody knew what the fanboys wanted: senses shattering crossovers that would make massive changes to the comics they read obsessively. Somewhere in DC Comics a plan was hatched; how far ahead this plan went I don’t know, and the people in charge pretty regularly lie about stuff like this, but I do know that the first two steps were written in stone: first came Identity Crisis, which led to a number of miniseries and crossovers which in turn led into Infinite Crisis.

Infinite Crisis turned out to be a sequel to Crisis on Infinite Earths, and in the course of the story the alternate Earths that had been laid off two decades before were brought back. From that point a whole mess of other crapola got published, all basically running in circles about the same thing: the multiverse is back. And now, we’re told, all of this is leading to Final Crisis.

History lesson over. With the official announcement of Final Crisis upon us, and the revelation of the tagline: Heroes Die. Legends Live Forever., the internet has been abuzz, as it’s wont to do. What does this mean? What is the Final Crisis? How much money will you dopes shell out on this junk now?

Here’s a theory my brother had that I love: what if Final Crisis is exactly what it says in the title? What if Final Crisis is the end of the DC Comics superhero universe?

Let’s be honest: comic book publishing isn’t the best game in town. For a big company like Warner Bros, DC Comics exists for one reason: to produce licenses that can be marketed, whether they be via films, video games, toys or underwear. The real money in comics lies not in comics, but products based on them. On top of that, the monthly comic as we know it is on its last legs: the floppies are mostly only available at comic book specialty stores, and how many of those are near you these days? The real future of comic books is in graphic novels and trade compilations, sold online and at book stores. On top of that, the world of comic book publishing – especially at continuity-mad DC – is so insular that the readership of comic books today is probably made up of the exact same people who were reading a decade ago. The market is dwindling and becoming more and more niche. In ten years, who will be left to go to comic book stores?

And there’s insult to be added to injury: if you look at the recent spate of movies and TV shows based on Marvel and DC characters, almost all of them take their cues from stories and characters that are a decade old or more. The fact is that no one is creating new characters or stories that will have mass appeal beyond the comic book audience. So why even bother with it anymore? Why does Warner Bros bother continuing monthly adventures of these characters? What if they just stopped?

Imagine Final Crisis as the capstone on the continuity-based DC Universe. All monthly titles stop publishing. Trades remain in print, and new books are commissioned, but they’re continuity-free, as hinted at by the idea of legends living forever. Now, instead of a bewildering array of monthly comics starring Superman, all thick in a complicated continuity that requires research to understand, a book comes out every month or two – a big book, hundreds of pages long, that tells a complete story. The creators of the book can use old characters or create new ones, but they don’t have to worry about what happened in last month’s Superman book or what’s being set up for next month’s – they can just tell a story.

I don’t know about you, but I find that idea kind of exciting. Comic books as a medium are amazing, but the obsessive compulsive world of superheroes has kept that medium from reaching its potential as a mass-market method of storytelling. And even within that world, the almost Talmudic level of fervor the diminishing fanbase has for these characters and their histories keeps new people from coming in. Ending the continuity based universe of interconnecting stories is a step that could free the medium from its shackles.

Of course this is probably not what’s happening. Final Crisis will lead into some other continuity-driven crossover, whether it be next year or in twenty. The remaining comic fans will shuffle into the store and drop more and more of their money onto the counter to buy comics that aren’t particularly well-made or interesting, but that serve just as continuity porn. Maybe on Earth 2 Final Crisis can change things up.


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Originally Posted by slop101
Sessa, I never said I'm giving up comics completely. Just the weekly fix, mostly because of the way they're presented (monthly, decompressed, ads, price, storage, unpredictability, etc.).
Oh, I kind of just skimmed your initial post. That's good to hear then, I can certainly understand one not getting comics every week, especially for storage & decommpressed reasons. Price I just never understood, everything is more expensive now, comics have not gone up any more than gas, movie tickets , agallon of milk (actually much, much less than a gallon of milk) or countless other things. Ads are much the same way, the amount of content is pretty much exactly the same, I just never got what the big deal is with ads bothering people.

I love sequential art too, I've just grown tired of the monthly magazine format when the graphic novel format fits the media so much better.
I love a good GN or TPB, I've got more than I probably will ever have time to read, but the industry was built on monthly/weekly/daily strips & mags. If GNS fit the medium "so much better" it would have been done for simple economic reasons decades ago, so I don't think this is a fair statement. They fit what you enjoy "so much better" but not the medium.

And it may be an age thing, but my perceived lack of truly great regular artists/writers is another reason for my growing ambivalence.
I think it's more of a matter of simple taste. I really think the age thing only applies to the traditional superhero comic. I think there are comic book dorks, & then geeks like me who just love the sequential narrative. There are definitely tons of "truly great artists/writers" that I just can't get enough of today, that IMO are some ot he greatest talents the industry has ever had. Chris Ware, James Kochalka, Paul Pope, Ed Brubaker, Lilli Carré, Bryan Lee O'Malley, Dan Hipp, I mean, there are some F'n brilliant creators out there, one thing comics certainly isn't lacking, is exciting creators. And books like Kramer's Ergot, or Mome that should be comic book essentials for everyone, most just instantly dismiss. But, like I said, it's just a matter of taste, the stuff I get excited about, others may find to be why comics are so boring.
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Originally Posted by Sessa17
I love a good GN or TPB, I've got more than I probably will ever have time to read, but the industry was built on monthly/weekly/daily strips & mags. If GNS fit the medium "so much better" it would have been done for simple economic reasons decades ago, so I don't think this is a fair statement. They fit what you enjoy "so much better" but not the medium.
Not to speak for him, but I doubt he was speaking about the economics but more about the delivery method. Having the whole story versus a part of it. Economically, monthly is definitely the way to go. Much less of a risk and they can charge for the story twice when it comes out in trade. But I truly believe a lot of stories would be better served if they could come out in GN chunks.

Some monthlies take advantage of the serial format, but most comics that I read just seem to chop the story up to make it fit the monthly format. Things like Y and Walking Dead really exploit the serialized nature of monthlies and I wish more books did that instead of throwing in an artificial cliffhanger.
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I generally go trades, but I did take some shots at floppies in the last year or two. I started Infinite Crisis but then misplaced one of the issues. I still picked up the others but held off on reading them and didn't find the missing one till after the trade came out anyway. Still haven't read it.

I also picked up the first issue of the new Warlord due to fond memories of the Mike Grell series but was very underwhelmed.
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Originally Posted by slop101

BTW, here's a great article on "What if monthly comics ended", and how it could actually be a good thing for the medium:

< Admittedly Kneejerk reaction to that article.

Sure, Blame DC for the decline in comics. How about looking at the majority of comics fans who're Fickle,suffer from ADD, and are paying 2007 prices for comics so they're more willing to drop stuff. And don't give me the 1950's price adjustment line. Plus in 2007 there are TONS of other things to keep one entertained so comics have to fight for their place. There's cable, video games, the Net, Net pr0n, and tons of other things. It's not like 1950 and 1960 where we had 3 channels and they signed off at midnight....


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Originally Posted by boredsilly
Not to speak for him, but I doubt he was speaking about the economics but more about the delivery method. Having the whole story versus a part of it. Economically, monthly is definitely the way to go. Much less of a risk and they can charge for the story twice when it comes out in trade. But I truly believe a lot of stories would be better served if they could come out in GN chunks.
I pretty much agree with everything you wrote, but I think economically, (and "risk" aside) trades are a much better bargain, as they're alway less per-issue than monthlies are.


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I pretty much agree with everything you wrote, but I think economically, (and "risk" aside) trades are a much better bargain, as they're alway less per-issue than monthlies are.
Do you mean for the consumer or the publisher?
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Consumer. Did you mean the publisher?

For example, the first volume of Y collects the first five issues, which at $3 an issue would cost you $15 if you bought them individually. The collection retails for $13 and can easily be found for around $9. And unless it's in a shitty-books discount-bin, good luck getting a floppy discounted for 35% off cover price. Not to mention, the collections usually have better paper quality and most importantly, no ads.
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Originally Posted by slop101
Consumer. Did you mean the publisher?

For example, the first volume of Y collects the first five issues, which at $3 an issue would cost you $15 if you bought them individually. The collection retails for $13 and can easily be found for around $9. And unless it's in a shitty-books discount-bin, good luck getting a floppy discounted for 35% off cover price. Not to mention, the collections usually have better paper quality and most importantly, no ads.
You can easily get 35% off... online, and only for new comics. Finding backissues are a pain, though.

Funny you use Y as your example, because the paper in the collections feels pretty cheap...
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Originally Posted by fujishig
You can easily get 35% off... online, and only for new comics. Finding backissues are a pain, though.
I've seen up to 25%, but never 35%. What are some of these sites?
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You have to preorder books, but:

http://www.dcbservice.com/

http://www.mailordercomics.com/

both have the major publishers between 35-40% off.
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Thanks for the links, and I may use them, but pre-ordering monthlys (especially when you're not really sure of the creative team or storyline) is a far more risky venture than a collection of books that have already been put through their paces.
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I used to only buy floppies. But now if I buy anyting it's going to be hardcovers or trades. They no longer have single issues stories and comics are pretty much written to be sold as "collections" nowadays. It's more trouble to try and get the entire storyline by buying single issues. It's easier to buy them in one book. I tried buying back issues of storylines I wanted to read in floppies at cons, but it was such a hassle to try and get all the issues.

It's also cheaper to buy the collections most of the time. I was looking at some regular issues of marvel comics at Borders the other day and was suprised to see the cover prices were $3.99 and $4.99. That's just crazy for something that will only take 10 minutes to read. id rather buy the Hc's or trades at 40% off online and read the entire story at once.


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