Just the Facts: Blu-Ray and HD-DVD
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Just the Facts: Blu-Ray and HD-DVD
As the thread title suggests, this thread will only contain facts about the Blu-Ray and HD-DVD formats. Leave your opinions at the door. If you have any additional information that you feel needs to be added, please post it and I will add it to this first post. That way, we can collect all the information at one source rather than having to search for it separately.
Blu-Ray
Official Site: www.blu-raydisc.com
Launch Date: May 23, 2006
Technical
Max Capacity per Layer: 25 GB
Max Resolution: 1080p
Max Bandwidth: 54 Mbit/s
Video Codecs:
MPEG-2: MP@HL and MP@ML
MPEG-4 AVC: MPEG-4 AVC: [email protected]/4.0 and [email protected]/4.0/3.2/3.1/3.0
SMPTE VC-1: AP@L3 and AP@L2
Max Bitrate: 40Mbps
HD
1920x1080x59.94-i, 50-i (16:9)
1920x1080x24-p, 23.976-p (16:9)
1440x1080x59.94-i, 50-i (16:9) MPEG-4 AVC / SMPTE VC-1 only
1440x1080x24-p, 23.976-p (16:9) MPEG-4 AVC / SMPTE VC-1 only
1280x720x59.94-p, 50-p (16:9)
1280x720x24-p, 23.976-p (16:9)
SD
720x480x59.94-i (4:3/16:9)
720x576x50-i (4:3/16:9)
Audio Codec:
Linear PCM
Max Bitrate: 27.648Mbps
Max Channel: 8(48kHz, 96kHz), 6(192kHz)
bits/sample: 16, 20, 24
Sampling Frequency: 48kHz, 96kHz, 192kHz
Dolby Digital
Max Bitrate: 640kbps
Max Channel: 5.1
bits/sample: 16 - 24
Sampling Frequency: 48kHz
Dolby Digital Plus
Max Bitrate: 4.736Mbps
Max Channel: 7.1
bits/sample: 16 - 24
Sampling Frequency: 48kHz
Dolby TrueHD
Max Bitrate: 18.64Mbps
Max Channel: 8(48kHz, 96kHz), 6(192kHz)
bits/sample: 16 - 24
Sampling Frequency: 48kHz, 96kHz, 192kHz
DTS Digital Surround
Max Bitrate: 1.524Mbps
Max Channel: 5.1
bits/sample: 16, 20, 24
Sampling Frequency: 48kHz
DTS-HD
Max Bitrate: 24.5Mbps
Max Channel: 8(48kHz, 96kHz), 6(192kHz)
bits/sample: 16 - 24
Sampling Frequency: 48kHz, 96kHz, 192kHz
Content
Pricing: $20.29 - $27.99
HD Over Component: Studio Defined (ICT)
Supporting Studios:
Fox
Lions Gate
MGM
Paramount
Sony Pictures
Warner Brothers
Walt Disney
Adult Studios:
Regional Coding
Region 1: The Americas and East Asia (excluding China but including Japan)
Region 2: Europe and Africa
Region 3: Russia, China and Others
Players
Pioneer
BDP-HD1
Samsung
BD-P1000
Sony
BDP-S1
Purchase from Amazon.com
HD-DVD
Official Site: www.hddvdprg.com
Launch Date: April 18, 2006
Technical
Max Capacity per Layer: 15 GB
Max Resolution: 1080p
Max Bandwidth: 36.55 Mbit/s
Video Codecs:
MPEG-2
MPEG-4 AVC
VC-1
Audio Codecs:
Linear PCM
Dolby TrueHD [2-ch]
Dolby Digital
Dolby Digital Plus
DTS
DTS-HD (optional)
MPEG Audio
Content
Pricing: $19.99 - $23.99
HD Over Component: Studio Defined (ICT)
Supporting Studios:
Paramount
Universal
Warner Brothers
Adult Studios:
Regional Coding
None agreed upon yet.
Links
HD-DVD
HD DVD A technical discussion
HD DVD-Video Guideline for Player and Content
Requirements Specification for HD DVD Video Application
HD-DVD White Paper
Amazon HD-DVD Store
Blu-Ray
Blu-Ray Format Definition
Blu-Ray Audio Visual Specs
Amazon Blu-Ray Store
Blu-Ray Live
Other
HD-DVD and Blu-Ray FAQ
HD-DVD/Blu-Ray Release Calendar
Blu-Ray
Official Site: www.blu-raydisc.com
Launch Date: May 23, 2006
Technical
Max Capacity per Layer: 25 GB
Max Resolution: 1080p
Max Bandwidth: 54 Mbit/s
Video Codecs:
MPEG-2: MP@HL and MP@ML
MPEG-4 AVC: MPEG-4 AVC: [email protected]/4.0 and [email protected]/4.0/3.2/3.1/3.0
SMPTE VC-1: AP@L3 and AP@L2
Max Bitrate: 40Mbps
HD
1920x1080x59.94-i, 50-i (16:9)
1920x1080x24-p, 23.976-p (16:9)
1440x1080x59.94-i, 50-i (16:9) MPEG-4 AVC / SMPTE VC-1 only
1440x1080x24-p, 23.976-p (16:9) MPEG-4 AVC / SMPTE VC-1 only
1280x720x59.94-p, 50-p (16:9)
1280x720x24-p, 23.976-p (16:9)
SD
720x480x59.94-i (4:3/16:9)
720x576x50-i (4:3/16:9)
Audio Codec:
Linear PCM
Max Bitrate: 27.648Mbps
Max Channel: 8(48kHz, 96kHz), 6(192kHz)
bits/sample: 16, 20, 24
Sampling Frequency: 48kHz, 96kHz, 192kHz
Dolby Digital
Max Bitrate: 640kbps
Max Channel: 5.1
bits/sample: 16 - 24
Sampling Frequency: 48kHz
Dolby Digital Plus
Max Bitrate: 4.736Mbps
Max Channel: 7.1
bits/sample: 16 - 24
Sampling Frequency: 48kHz
Dolby TrueHD
Max Bitrate: 18.64Mbps
Max Channel: 8(48kHz, 96kHz), 6(192kHz)
bits/sample: 16 - 24
Sampling Frequency: 48kHz, 96kHz, 192kHz
DTS Digital Surround
Max Bitrate: 1.524Mbps
Max Channel: 5.1
bits/sample: 16, 20, 24
Sampling Frequency: 48kHz
DTS-HD
Max Bitrate: 24.5Mbps
Max Channel: 8(48kHz, 96kHz), 6(192kHz)
bits/sample: 16 - 24
Sampling Frequency: 48kHz, 96kHz, 192kHz
Content
Pricing: $20.29 - $27.99
HD Over Component: Studio Defined (ICT)
Supporting Studios:
Fox
Lions Gate
MGM
Paramount
Sony Pictures
Warner Brothers
Walt Disney
Adult Studios:
Spoiler:
Spoiler:
Regional Coding
Region 1: The Americas and East Asia (excluding China but including Japan)
Region 2: Europe and Africa
Region 3: Russia, China and Others
Players
Pioneer
BDP-HD1
Samsung
BD-P1000
Sony
BDP-S1
Purchase from Amazon.com
HD-DVD
Official Site: www.hddvdprg.com
Launch Date: April 18, 2006
Technical
Max Capacity per Layer: 15 GB
Max Resolution: 1080p
Max Bandwidth: 36.55 Mbit/s
Video Codecs:
MPEG-2
MPEG-4 AVC
VC-1
Audio Codecs:
Linear PCM
Dolby TrueHD [2-ch]
Dolby Digital
Dolby Digital Plus
DTS
DTS-HD (optional)
MPEG Audio
Content
Pricing: $19.99 - $23.99
HD Over Component: Studio Defined (ICT)
Supporting Studios:
Paramount
Universal
Warner Brothers
Adult Studios:
Spoiler:
Regional Coding
None agreed upon yet.
Links
HD-DVD
HD DVD A technical discussion
HD DVD-Video Guideline for Player and Content
Requirements Specification for HD DVD Video Application
HD-DVD White Paper
Amazon HD-DVD Store
Blu-Ray
Blu-Ray Format Definition
Blu-Ray Audio Visual Specs
Amazon Blu-Ray Store
Blu-Ray Live
Other
HD-DVD and Blu-Ray FAQ
HD-DVD/Blu-Ray Release Calendar
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LOL! Great minds think alike:
http://www.dvdtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=451129
I beat you by a few minutes!
http://www.dvdtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=451129
I beat you by a few minutes!
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Originally Posted by Qui Gon Jim
LOL! Great minds think alike:
http://www.dvdtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=451129
I beat you by a few minutes!
http://www.dvdtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=451129
I beat you by a few minutes!
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Originally Posted by scott1598
so what is the difference between the 2 faq threads?
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I stuck these both, as I don't really see one thread (right now)... We'll get a moderator for this area (right now it's just the admins) and maybe they can work with someone getting a single "official" thread or something, but for now I guess josh and Qui Gon can duel it out with their threads
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Originally Posted by Kant
Just one question;
Where does it say the HD DVD will support 1080p? Because I have only seen 1080i...
Where does it say the HD DVD will support 1080p? Because I have only seen 1080i...
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Originally Posted by Kant
Just one question;
Where does it say the HD DVD will support 1080p? Because I have only seen 1080i...
Where does it say the HD DVD will support 1080p? Because I have only seen 1080i...
HD-dvd= 1080i, Bluray= 1080P ! What format war?
I hope this is not being posted incorrectly, I don't know where else to post it as ther is no area for high def dvd talk. Anyway, I spent a great deal of time confirming this fact with various people from both the blu ray and hddvd booths today. Unless their marketing people are completely wrong- and I was EXTRMELY specific with my questioning several times- Bluray has a vastly superior picture. HD DVD will only have a 1080 i resolution, wheras bluray will have 1080P. As far as I am concerned, this format war is over before it has begun- bluray has the win as far as picture quality is concerned witha progressive scan 1080 image.
I pointed this out to the hddvd people, and all they could tell me was about how their players play standard dvds- so do bluray players. They salked about disk structure and some other ambiguous topics- all of which the bluray camp seemed ot have as well. I was really amazed- I thought both formats were going to be 1080P- who would want a next generation format with an inferior picture?
I hope this is not being posted incorrectly, I don't know where else to post it as ther is no area for high def dvd talk. Anyway, I spent a great deal of time confirming this fact with various people from both the blu ray and hddvd booths today. Unless their marketing people are completely wrong- and I was EXTRMELY specific with my questioning several times- Bluray has a vastly superior picture. HD DVD will only have a 1080 i resolution, wheras bluray will have 1080P. As far as I am concerned, this format war is over before it has begun- bluray has the win as far as picture quality is concerned witha progressive scan 1080 image.
I pointed this out to the hddvd people, and all they could tell me was about how their players play standard dvds- so do bluray players. They salked about disk structure and some other ambiguous topics- all of which the bluray camp seemed ot have as well. I was really amazed- I thought both formats were going to be 1080P- who would want a next generation format with an inferior picture?
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From looking at the specs of the first Toshiba player...
...They're not going to get much in the way of supporters if their HD-DVD player only support 720-line progressive scan and 1080-line interlaced scan for now. With the rapid arrival of 1080-line progressive scan rear-projection TV's over the next year, Blu-Ray's support for 1080-line progressive scan output will mean better picture quality, to say the least.
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The HD-DVD group has been very vague about what the final encoding process will be. On all their promotional material, they indicate that they will support the "highest quality HDTV [1920x1080]". Now, you will notice that they did not indicate whether that is interlaced or progressive.
What we do know, is that the first players from both sides of the war will only be supporting 1080i. We know that Blu-Ray will be introducing 1080p players this Summer, and we know all movie content will be encoded at 1080p. We don't know when or if a 1080p player will come out for HD-DVD, or if HD-DVD movies will even be encoded at this level.
Its not physically impossible for HD-DVD to have 1080p, but until they come out and say they will only encode at 720p, I'll leave it up. I will add an *.
What we do know, is that the first players from both sides of the war will only be supporting 1080i. We know that Blu-Ray will be introducing 1080p players this Summer, and we know all movie content will be encoded at 1080p. We don't know when or if a 1080p player will come out for HD-DVD, or if HD-DVD movies will even be encoded at this level.
Its not physically impossible for HD-DVD to have 1080p, but until they come out and say they will only encode at 720p, I'll leave it up. I will add an *.
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Originally Posted by joshd2012
The HD-DVD group has been very vague about what the final encoding process will be. On all their promotional material, they indicate that they will support the "highest quality HDTV [1920x1080]". Now, you will notice that they did not indicate whether that is interlaced or progressive.
What we do know, is that the first players from both sides of the war will only be supporting 1080i. We know that Blu-Ray will be introducing 1080p players this Summer, and we know all movie content will be encoded at 1080p. We don't know when or if a 1080p player will come out for HD-DVD, or if HD-DVD movies will even be encoded at this level.
Its not physically impossible for HD-DVD to have 1080p, but until they come out and say they will only encode at 720p, I'll leave it up. I will add an *.
What we do know, is that the first players from both sides of the war will only be supporting 1080i. We know that Blu-Ray will be introducing 1080p players this Summer, and we know all movie content will be encoded at 1080p. We don't know when or if a 1080p player will come out for HD-DVD, or if HD-DVD movies will even be encoded at this level.
Its not physically impossible for HD-DVD to have 1080p, but until they come out and say they will only encode at 720p, I'll leave it up. I will add an *.
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Originally Posted by Kant
I am sorry, but you are wrong. The Pioneer and samsung player (which comes out in april ) will also output 1080p
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sorry you are right;
From;
http://www.macworld.com/news/2006/01...sung/index.php
CES: Samsung to launch Blu-ray Disc player in April
By Martyn Williams, IDG News Service
Samsung Electronics Co. Ltd. will get a jump on its competitors by launching a Blu-ray Disc player in April this year, it said Thursday at the International Consumer Electronics Show (CES) in Las Vegas.
Most other Blu-ray Disc supporters that have talked about shipping dates have set mid-2006 targets, so the Samsung machine currently stands to be the first to market. Toshiba Corp. is planning to launch two players that support HD-DVD, the competing format to Blu-ray Disc, in March this year.
The BD-P1000 player will cost US$1,000 and will be able to output high-definition video on an HDMI (High-Definition Multimedia Interface) at 720p and 1080i (720 lines progressive scanning and 1,080 lines interlaced scanning) resolutions. That’s the same as the Toshiba players and means that both first-generation high-definition optical disc players won’t be able to output a signal at 1080p, which is considered the best of several high-definition picture standards.
Samsung didn’t implement 1080p support in the interest of speeding up development.
“It allows us to get to market quicker, and so as we look at future models we’ll look at 1080p output,” said Jim Sanduski, senior vice president of marketing for Samsung Electronics America Inc.’s digital and audio products group, speaking to reporters at CES.
For the full 1080p picture, consumers will have to wait until the middle of the year for Pioneer Corp. to launch a Blu-ray Disc player. It will cost US$1,800, the company said Wednesday.
Samsung’s April launch could be delayed if BD Java, the standard for interactive features on Blu-ray Discs, isn’t completed in time.
“BD Java is one thing that is still being worked out. The timetable, as I understand it, is late March,” said Sanduski. “So that’s why [our timetable is] end of April. We think we can do it.”
I apoligize.
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http://www.macworld.com/news/2006/01...sung/index.php
CES: Samsung to launch Blu-ray Disc player in April
By Martyn Williams, IDG News Service
Samsung Electronics Co. Ltd. will get a jump on its competitors by launching a Blu-ray Disc player in April this year, it said Thursday at the International Consumer Electronics Show (CES) in Las Vegas.
Most other Blu-ray Disc supporters that have talked about shipping dates have set mid-2006 targets, so the Samsung machine currently stands to be the first to market. Toshiba Corp. is planning to launch two players that support HD-DVD, the competing format to Blu-ray Disc, in March this year.
The BD-P1000 player will cost US$1,000 and will be able to output high-definition video on an HDMI (High-Definition Multimedia Interface) at 720p and 1080i (720 lines progressive scanning and 1,080 lines interlaced scanning) resolutions. That’s the same as the Toshiba players and means that both first-generation high-definition optical disc players won’t be able to output a signal at 1080p, which is considered the best of several high-definition picture standards.
Samsung didn’t implement 1080p support in the interest of speeding up development.
“It allows us to get to market quicker, and so as we look at future models we’ll look at 1080p output,” said Jim Sanduski, senior vice president of marketing for Samsung Electronics America Inc.’s digital and audio products group, speaking to reporters at CES.
For the full 1080p picture, consumers will have to wait until the middle of the year for Pioneer Corp. to launch a Blu-ray Disc player. It will cost US$1,800, the company said Wednesday.
Samsung’s April launch could be delayed if BD Java, the standard for interactive features on Blu-ray Discs, isn’t completed in time.
“BD Java is one thing that is still being worked out. The timetable, as I understand it, is late March,” said Sanduski. “So that’s why [our timetable is] end of April. We think we can do it.”
I apoligize.
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No problem. I did find out by digging through the HD-DVD site that HD-DVD is to support video up 1080p. Though, it is up to the content providers to choose between 1080i and 1080p support (the material suggested the 1080i format pretty heavily).
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Originally Posted by joshd2012
Max Bandwidth: 36.55 Mbit/s
Video Codecs:
MPEG-2
Max Bitrate: 6 Mbps
MPEG-4 AVC
Max Bitrate: 4 Mbps
VC-1
Max Bitrate: 4 Mbps
Video Codecs:
MPEG-2
Max Bitrate: 6 Mbps
MPEG-4 AVC
Max Bitrate: 4 Mbps
VC-1
Max Bitrate: 4 Mbps
Also, you might want to fix some of the audio stuff. "Dolby Lossless" is called "Dolby TrueHD". Your listing for "MLP" on HD-DVD is, i think, acutually Dolby TrueHD (and it supports more than 2-ch). Maybe also indicate which are mandatory and which are optional?
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Originally Posted by Todd B.
These numbers don't seem right. The video bitrates can't possibly be that low.
Also, you might want to fix some of the audio stuff. "Dolby Lossless" is called "Dolby TrueHD". Your listing for "MLP" on HD-DVD is, i think, acutually Dolby TrueHD (and it supports more than 2-ch). Maybe also indicate which are mandatory and which are optional?
Also, you might want to fix some of the audio stuff. "Dolby Lossless" is called "Dolby TrueHD". Your listing for "MLP" on HD-DVD is, i think, acutually Dolby TrueHD (and it supports more than 2-ch). Maybe also indicate which are mandatory and which are optional?
I also agree that "Dolby Lossless" is probably Dolby TrueHD. MLP is specifically listed as a "[2-ch]" audio right next to LPCM in the HD-DVD specs, so while I agree with you that it is Dolby TrueHD, I will keep the 2-ch designation. If you take a look at the two toshiba players for sale, they both say "Dolby TrueHD (2-ch)".
I also amended the HD-DVD listing to show that DTS-HD is optional. Thanks for the help.
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I still haven't been able to find a definitive answer to this: will films/tv programmes shot at 25 fps or 24fps be replayed at their correct speed? Or will there still be a situation similar to the current PAL speedup/NTSC slowdown?
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Originally Posted by Deus
I still haven't been able to find a definitive answer to this: will films/tv programmes shot at 25 fps or 24fps be replayed at their correct speed? Or will there still be a situation similar to the current PAL speedup/NTSC slowdown?
1920x1080x24-p, 23.976-p (16:9)
If they encode at that rate, depends on the company distributing the programming.
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Originally Posted by mzupeman2
I know HD-DVD is going to be compatible with current DVD's, will Blu-Ray also be supporting current DVD's?
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Originally Posted by Qui Gon Jim
I thought that HD used a red laser...
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The blue Laser is thanks to the format war. When HD-dvd was just announced a few years ago it was strickly red laser. BR added blue and they had to play catch up.
BTW, I didn't see it posted, and figure it's important to know before throwing a lot of cash down on something, some of the early BR PC drives don't have a laser for cds.
BTW, I didn't see it posted, and figure it's important to know before throwing a lot of cash down on something, some of the early BR PC drives don't have a laser for cds.
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Originally Posted by Adam Tyner
Nope. That was the thought in the very, very early days, but the DVD Forum agreed on a blue laser at least as far back as November 2003.