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Old 09-07-17, 09:42 AM   #1
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Senator Bob Menendezís corruption trial

This trial was brought up in another thread because of missing party affiliation.

Senator Bob Menendez apparently had a high end lifestyle from bribes funded by a $105M Medicare fraud scheme.

The first day shows a rousing start.



The defense asked the court to recess the trial to allow Sen. Menendez to return to the Senate for votes, and they had an interesting response in their answer (Nope!) -

"United States Senator can try to hide behind the very office he corrupted to avoid accountability to the public for his actions"

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Old 09-08-17, 10:45 AM   #2
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This judge has done an incredible job in guaranteeing Menedez an appeal in the first day of the trial. He completely lacks the demeanor to be on the bench and is using his position to make a name for himself, not conduct a fair trial.
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Old 09-08-17, 11:08 AM   #3
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This judge has done an incredible job in guaranteeing Menedez an appeal in the first day of the trial. He completely lacks the demeanor to be on the bench and is using his position to make a name for himself, not conduct a fair trial.
Bob is sending out tweets:

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This judge has done an incredible job in guaranteeing Menedez an appeal in the first day of the trial. He completely lacks the demeanor to be on the bench and is using his position to make a name for himself, not conduct a fair trial.
Fair trial???

Where does it say that anyone has the right to a fair trial?
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Re: Senator Bob Menendezís corruption trial

I'm sure that's written down somewhere...
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I'm sure that's written down somewhere...
Nazi!
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I'm sure that's written down somewhere...
Bah! Probably by a bunch of old white fascists who have been dead for two hundred years.
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Nazi!


And the list of the Committee for Public Safety grows longer and longer....

When is the next Citizen's Tribunal scheduled, anyway? Gotta gather up those knitting needles and be ready.
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Old 09-12-17, 03:12 PM   #10
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Fair trial???

Where does it say that anyone has the right to a fair trial?
Nowhere. The amendment says, "the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defense." Fairness doesn't enter into it.
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Nowhere. The amendment says, "the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defense." Fairness doesn't enter into it.
Which has been interpreted as the right to a fair trial. Fairness enters into every single one of those stipulations.
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Old 09-12-17, 04:45 PM   #12
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Which has been interpreted as the right to a fair trial. Fairness enters into every single one of those stipulations.
If you want to think of it that way then fine, although people here seem to be complaining about the judge (I haven't seen and so can offer no opinion), which specially seems not to be covered by the amendment. From everything I have read of this case, Menendez was completely corrupt, even if there was no direct legislative quid pro quo, which the McDonnell cases seemingly establishes as the circumstance needed for conviction. It seems almost an impossibly high standard for prosecutors. I hope Menendez goes to prison, but I don't see it happening. The best that can be hoped for is a complete fall from grace and him being drummed out of politics for the rest of his life.
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Which has been interpreted as the right to a fair trial. Fairness enters into every single one of those stipulations.
Exactly.
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Re: Senator Bob Menendezís corruption trial

Editorial today

If Bob Menendez is guilty, boot him: No place for a senator on the take
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Prosecutors, marshaling mountains of evidence, build a persuasive case that Menendez traded cash and gifts for official aid for ophthalmologist Salomon Melgen, a South Floridian convicted earlier this year of robbing Medicare of more than $100 million.
Melgen gave Menendez private jet trips, resort vacations and, notably, campaign cash; Menendez gave Melgen extensive government help.
Menendez says the gifts were just kindnesses from a wealthy pal, and that the aid he extended Melgen was nothing more than a senator doing his job. His defense has gone so far as to claim the case is an ďattackĒ on a culture of generosity among Hispanic-Americans.
Disgusting tripe. Menendez failed to report the gifts to the public on disclosure forms, strongly suggesting he thought he had something to hide. And the timing linking Melgenís gifts to Menendezís actions could hardly be more suspicious.

Two donations totaling $60,000 to Menendez-supporting campaign committees were promptly followed by Menendez meeting with a State Department official to try resolving a business dispute involving a Melgen-owned company in the Dominican Republic.
Two $300,000 contributions from Melgenís company to the Menendez-allied Majority PAC were followed by a Menendez meeting at the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services to get a reimbursement formula changed in a manner that would enrich Melgen.
Meanwhile, Menendez allegedly intervened to help obtain travel visas for Melgenís girlfriends, who hailed from Ukraine, Brazil and the Dominican Republic.
Conviction or no conviction, Menendezís conduct violates the public trust; had he more decency, he would have stepped down long ago.
This trial has been a long time coming and held up for years - I am surprised that Menendez hasn't resigned.
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Menendez is innocent until proven guilty. He's got every right to hold on until he is convicted and his appeals are exhausted.

Practically speaking, I expect that if he is convicted, he will resign once Chris Christie's successor takes office.
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AP reporting of trial:

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If you want to think of it that way then fine.
No son, I don't think that way, I know that way. You are completely wrong, and it's not an opinion. The considerations in the amendment go directly to the concepts of fundamental fairness. And that's it. Take a course on constitutional law and then try to argue differently.
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