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Old 08-17-17, 01:39 PM   #26
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Re: Barcelona: Van hits crowd near Las Ramblas tourist spot

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I wonder if Trump will come out and call this terrorism?
It looks like he did about half an hour ago. I was expecting him to wait a few days until he had all the facts.
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Old 08-17-17, 01:40 PM   #27
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I've been considering a trip that stops here as well. This attack won't deter me from doing so but it sure doesn't seem like many of the others who posted in this thread that have been there think very highly of it.

If it's a wretched hive of scum and villainy then maybe I'll just pass.. I've seen enough of that in my travels.
Barcelona is beautiful with lots to do. Just this particular area is overcrowded... like Times Square.

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Old 08-17-17, 01:41 PM   #28
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Incredibly sad, both this attack specifically and the seeming amplification of these types of attacks in recent days. Vehicles can be so deadly, when one is bent on destruction. Until we get to a point of "smart" cars that can sense pedestrians and override the operator to stop the car, these will continue as they are next to impossible to stop.
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Incredibly sad, both this attack specifically and the seeming amplification of these types of attacks in recent days. Vehicles can be so deadly, when one is bent on destruction. Until we get to a point of "smart" cars that can sense pedestrians and override the operator to stop the car, these will continue as they are next to impossible to stop.
They seem to be the low cost weapon of choice these days.
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Old 08-17-17, 01:54 PM   #30
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Once in a while, I notice steel cylinders, a couple feet tall, maybe 12 inches in diameter sprinkled around busy city sidewalks, and didn't think much of why they were there until these attacks. It's an easy deterrent that a driver that tries to drive onto a sidewalk will get immediately stopped.
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They seem to be the low cost weapon of choice these days.
I'm surprised it took this long, tbh.
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Old 08-17-17, 03:54 PM   #32
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Yeah - Same.

Sad world.
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Old 08-17-17, 04:12 PM   #33
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Once in a while, I notice steel cylinders, a couple feet tall, maybe 12 inches in diameter sprinkled around busy city sidewalks, and didn't think much of why they were there until these attacks. It's an easy deterrent that a driver that tries to drive onto a sidewalk will get immediately stopped.
After 9/11, there was an increase in placement of barriers, like large cement flower pots, to stop vehicle attacks, in front of obvious targets, government buildings, airports, public spaces, etc.
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The van jumped the sidewalk so it was not their fault.

That can't be true. Everyone knows if you're on a sidewalk you can't get hit by a car! FAKE NEWS!
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Old 08-17-17, 10:10 PM   #35
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After 9/11, there was an increase in placement of barriers, like large cement flower pots, to stop vehicle attacks, in front of obvious targets, government buildings, airports, public spaces, etc.
A lot of those went up after the Oklahoma City bombing.
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• The police were searching for the driver of a van who plowed into a busy pedestrian thoroughfare in Barcelona, Spain, on Thursday, intentionally targeting people in a terrorist attack claimed by the Islamic State. Thirteen people were killed, and scores were injured.

• Hours later, the police fatally shot five suspects in the seaside town of Cambrils, 70 miles to the southwest. The suspects, who the police said were wearing vests with fake explosives, had driven an Audi A3 onto a sidewalk, killing one person and injuring six.

What We Know

What happened in Barcelona?

Just before 6 p.m., a van jumped a curb and began speeding down the pedestrian walkway at the center of Barcelona’s most famous street, Las Ramblas, a tree-lined boulevard popular with locals and tourists.

The van continued for 1,600 feet, leaving a trail of bloodied bodies in its wake.

It came to a halt on top of a tile mosaic by the Spanish artist Joan Miró, and the driver escaped on foot. This graphic tracks the route of the van.

What happened in Cambrils?

Eight hours after the attack in Barcelona, the Catalan police confronted and killed five suspects in the seaside town of Cambrils.

The authorities say they foiled what would have been a larger attack. But the suspects, who had fake explosives strapped to their bodies, were able to drive their car into a crowd of people, killing one person and injuring six. A police officer was also hurt.

Joaquim Forn, Catalonia’s interior minister, told a local radio station that the second event “follows the same trail,” adding: “There is a connection.”

Who is suspected?

The Islamic State claimed responsibility for the Barcelona attack, but the authorities have not yet confirmed the group’s involvement.

The police arrested two men on Thursday, neither of whom is accused of driving the van. A Spaniard from the Spanish territory of Melilla in Morocco was arrested in Alcanar, where the police said they were investigating a possible link to what was initially believed to be a gas explosion there on Wednesday. The man was not named.

The second man, Driss Oukabar, a French citizen of Moroccan origin, turned himself in to the police in Ripoll, a city about 65 miles north of Barcelona. He claimed that his identity documents, discovered in the van used for the attack, had been stolen and that his brother was responsible, according to local news reports.

The authorities were still searching for the driver of the van. They said they were looking for a man identified as Moussa Oukabir, who is either 17 or 18 years old; it was not clear if the police believe he was the driver.

Moussa Oukabir appears to be the younger brother of Driss Oukabar.

On Friday, the police announced the arrest of two more suspects in connection with the night’s attacks. No details about those suspects were released.

Who are the victims?

Details have only begun to emerge about the dead and injured, who the Spanish authorities said were from at least 34 countries.

Twenty-six French were wounded, with 11 in serious condition, France’s foreign minister said. A Belgian was reported to have been killed, and Australia’s foreign minister said an Australian citizen was unaccounted for. The Chinese Consulate in Barcelona said a Hong Kong resident had been slightly injured.

What We Don’t Know

• The identity of the driver of the van in Barcelona, and the breadth of the conspiracy.

• The extent of the Islamic State’s involvement. If involved, did the group order or merely inspire the attacks?

• The names and nationalities of the victims.
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Looks like police foiled and killed 5 attackers in a second crash overnight:

Second vehicle attack: five terror suspects 'wearing suicide vests' shot dead in Cambrils

https://www.yahoo.com/news/residents...043622685.html

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Residents of the Spanish seaside resort of Cambrils fled in terror in the early hours of Friday after five terrorists wearing suicide vests launched the second ramming attack in the country in a matter of hours.

At least six people were hurt when the attackers drove into pedestrians before being shot dead by security forces, just hours after a similar attack in nearby Barcelona.

The Audi A3 car rammed into people on the seaside promenade of the tourist city 74 miles south of Barcelona, where a van had earlier sped into a street packed full of tourists, killing 13 people and injuring around 100 others.

Police said the suspects in Cambrils carried bomb belts, which were detonated by a police bomb squad.

Media reports said a car crashed into a police vehicle and nearby civilians and police shot the attackers, one brandishing a knife. Police did not immediately say how the attack was being carried out.

A police officer and five civilians were injured and two were in serious condition. Police were working on the theory that the Cambrils and Barcelona attacks were connected, as well as a Wednesday night explosion in the town of Alcanar in which one person was killed..

"The alleged terrorists were in an Audi A3 and apparently knocked down several people before coming across a police patrol and a shoot-out ensued," said a spokesman for the regional government of Catalonia, where Cambrils is located in Spain's northeast.

Markel Artabe, a 20-year-old restaurant worker, said he was on the seaside promenade when he heard what he initially thought were fireworks, but soon realised were gunshots.

He said he saw someone lying on the ground "with a gunshot in the head". The victim's friends were crying out "help", he added.

Joan Marc Serra Salinas, a 21-year-old waiter, said he heard many gunshots.

"And shouting. And more shouting. I jumped onto the beach and didn't move," he said.

Police said they were "working on the hypothesis that the terrorists shot dead in Cambrils could be linked to what happened in Barcelona".

The attack in Cambrils happened as security forces hunted for the driver of the van used in the Barcelona rampage, who was seen escaping on foot.

Police announced the arrest of two suspects over the Barcelona attack, identified as a Spaniard and a Moroccan, but said the driver was still on the run.

"We're united in grief," Spanish Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy said in a televised address after rushing to Barcelona.

"Above all we're united in the firm intention to defeat those who want to take our values and way of life from us."
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A lot of those went up after the Oklahoma City bombing.
San Francisco I know in particular put up the bollards around the Transamerica building (pyramid) after 9/11. Was part of my walk to work so I remember it well.

They did a decent job with the ones they put in, they don't look out of place.

In a good way this might lead to more pedestrian areas in cities, taking cars out of the mix. I think of places like Pike Place in Seattle, very busy, only 3 blocks long and no need for cars to be in it.
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