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Old 07-31-17, 06:47 PM   #26
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Re: Should we just get rid of the States and become America?

No, I don't want to dump the states. I've lived in Kansas for twenty years and the option is always there for me to move to a less batshit crazy religious state. Don't take away my hope.

However, I'd definitely support a mandatory reboot of the House and Senate. Everybody who's been in more than twelve years, you're out! And term limits after that. Who's with me?
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Old 07-31-17, 06:51 PM   #27
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Matthew M's character looks like the typical coffee drinker in Portland.

Well, without the rifle.
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Old 07-31-17, 07:53 PM   #28
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Re: Should we just get rid of the States and become America?

Thanks for the responses. This thread was a little thought experiment.

I suppose every human organization is destined to have its flaws, and our govt may be the best we can do.

Gotta say it hurt my feelings that nobody laughed at my "Take Florida...please!" joke. Yeah it's a lame ripoff of Henny Youngman, but ya coulda at least humored me with an lol emoji. Basterds.
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However, I'd definitely support a mandatory reboot of the House and Senate. Everybody who's been in more than twelve years, you're out! And term limits after that. Who's with me?
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Old 07-31-17, 08:11 PM   #30
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but ya coulda at least humored me with an lol emoji. Basterds.
Sorry - how about a gif?

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Old 07-31-17, 11:34 PM   #32
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Thanks for the responses. This thread was a little thought experiment.

I suppose every human organization is destined to have its flaws, and our govt may be the best we can do.

Gotta say it hurt my feelings that nobody laughed at my "Take Florida...please!" joke. Yeah it's a lame ripoff of Henny Youngman, but ya coulda at least humored me with an lol emoji. Basterds.
If it was an experiment, you were testing an idea. What was the test, and what did you learn? (Other than that nobody laughs at Henny Youngman jokes anymore.)
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Old 08-01-17, 12:24 AM   #33
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If it was an experiment, you were testing an idea. What was the test, and what did you learn? (Other than that nobody laughs at Henny Youngman jokes anymore.)
I was testing wendersfan if he knew the difference between federalism and bicameralism. He passed...impressive, young Padawan!

And I learned that none of you appreciate the humor of Henny Youngman, which I'll choose to attribute to anti-Semitism and a bizarre hatred of violins.
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Old 08-01-17, 12:28 AM   #34
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Re: Should we just get rid of the States and become America?

Curse you, Fist!

You had me Googling "blizzard hatred" to see what kind of obscure reference to which you were alluding.

The next stop was "buzzard hatred," but I see that the post has been amended.

I sort of liked the original. It had a cache of its own.
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Old 08-01-17, 01:02 AM   #35
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Curse you, Fist!

You had me Googling "blizzard hatred" to see what kind of obscure reference to which you were alluding.

The next stop was "buzzard hatred," but I see that the post has been amended.

I sort of liked the original. It had a cache of its own.
You mean a cachet?
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Old 08-01-17, 01:32 AM   #36
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Now if you're saying that you want to get rid of the electoral college, I wouldn't be opposed to that. Twice in the last 20 years it has not represented the will of the people. I think it's an antiquated system and most other countries don't have something like this.
I had been thinking I should get rid of my current signature because it's, well, not so current. But perhaps it's still relevant.
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Old 08-01-17, 01:35 AM   #37
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You mean a cachet?
No, a cashew.

Or a nougat. Or should that be nugget?

Thanks for the correction. I thought it had a "t" on the end and meant to look it up (and still haven't, but I'm sure you're right).
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Old 08-01-17, 02:23 AM   #38
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Re: Should we just get rid of the States and become America?

We shouldn't get rid of states, but I feel a lot of our laws need to be consolidated to federal laws. We shouldn't be citizens of the same country living under different laws. It's silly.
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Old 08-01-17, 02:25 AM   #39
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We shouldn't get rid of states, but I feel a lot of our laws need to be consolidated to federal laws. We shouldn't be citizens of the same country living under different laws. It's silly.
How would you account for different community standards?

If we did away with states, the new capital would have to be relocated to Lebanon, KS, which is
almost exactly in the middle of the contiguous U.S.
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Old 08-01-17, 06:20 AM   #41
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Old 08-01-17, 06:27 AM   #42
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How would you account for different community standards?

If we did away with states, the new capital would have to be relocated to Lebanon, KS, which is
almost exactly in the middle of the contiguous U.S.

Such as? Let's take marijuana as an example. Do you think it's okay to have completely legal dispensaries in some states, and prosecute it as a schedule 1 narcotic in others? That's ridiculous.

I know the argument is that it wouldn't be legal ANYWHERE with a single federal law. Well maybe that's how it has to be until society changes it's view.

Let's take another example: age of consent. Now this law is more of a sliding scale than black or white. What reason is the range between 16 - 18? Why shouldn't there be a uniform federal law? Do a couple miles really make a difference of whether someone can consent to sex?

I agree there probably should still be some state specific laws, but some should definitely be the same for all Americans.
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Such as? Let's take marijuana as an example. Do you think it's okay to have completely legal dispensaries in some states, and prosecute it as a schedule 1 narcotic in others? That's ridiculous.

I know the argument is that it wouldn't be legal ANYWHERE with a single federal law. Well maybe that's how it has to be until society changes it's view.

Let's take another example: age of consent. Now this law is more of a sliding scale than black or white. What reason is the range between 16 - 18? Why shouldn't there be a uniform federal law? Do a couple miles really make a difference of whether someone can consent to sex?

I agree there probably should still be some state specific laws, but some should definitely be the same for all Americans.
More importantly - is true barbecue tomato-based, or vinegar-based? MAKE UP YOUR MIND, AMERICA!



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Old 08-01-17, 07:44 AM   #44
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Why is it ridiculous?

If a community wants to embrace marijuana, let them. If they don't, respect that view.

Some communities permit sales of alcohol in restaurants. Some permit legalized prostitution. Some permit gambling casinos. Some permit strip joints. Some permit gun ownership. Some permit shooting fireworks on holidays.

Does that mean that ALL communities should have to allow any activity that might be legal in other communities?

The beauty of living in a country without travel restrictions is that you are free to move to a community/state whose standards reflect your own. Don't like a state income tax? Move to a state without one. Don't like high sales taxes? Move to a state with lower taxes.

It's called freedom of choice. Imposing standards upon entire communities based upon other communities can be a form of tyranny. The Constitution does not guarantee the "right" to participate in every activity found legal somewhere. You rarely hear anyone arguing that because an activity is banned in one state, it should be banned everywhere. The usual complaint comes from those who want to relax community standards to accommodate something which they could legally do elsewhere.

Certain basic, specific freedoms ARE guaranteed by the Constitution either originally or through amendments. Others are left up to communities/states to decide. Most people prefer it that way.
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Re: Should we just get rid of the States and become America?

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Let's take another example: age of consent. Now this law is more of a sliding scale than black or white. What reason is the range between 16 - 18? Why shouldn't there be a uniform federal law? Do a couple miles really make a difference of whether someone can consent to sex?
Great example. Definitely something that should not differ state by state.
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Great example. Definitely something that should not differ state by state.
Because...?
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I think a big problem with a lot of state legislatures is that "community standards" are much different between urban centers and rural areas, and it's very difficult to pass laws that work well for both groups.
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I think a big problem with a lot of state legislatures is that "community standards" are much different between urban centers and rural areas, and it's very difficult to pass laws that work well for both groups.
I would love to see the "community standard" argument in favor of treating a 16 year old as an adult when it comes to sexual activity with those 18 and over, when on the other side of the state line they realize 16 yo's are minors and it's statutory rape.
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I would love to see the "community standard" argument in favor of treating a 16 year old as an adult when it comes to sexual activity with those 18 and over, when on the other side of the state line they realize 16 yo's are minors and it's statutory rape.
And what if a simple majority want to raise the age of consent to 21? Would that be desirable?

One possible argument might be that sixteen-year-olds can hold jobs, can obtain driver's licenses, etc.

Perhaps different experiences with responsibility and maturity lead to different attitudes. Legal drinking ages don't always match up with other legal responsibilities and accountability. And exceptions are always being made...such as twelve-year-old prodigies attending college. Are they mature enough to attend college but not to engage in sexual activities? There's a debate there somewhere.

Any age limits are going to be arbitrary...just as allowing adult "children" to remain on parent's insurance until age 26. Who decides? Federal bureaucrats or local (state) communities?

It would be nice if everyone agreed on every principle, activity, etc. But we don't. And setting national norms may work for some issues but not others.
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No more blue laws please.
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