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View Poll Results: Will Trump be imeached or leave office before his first term ends?
Yes he is in caught a web of scandals that he won't be able to untangle 29 56.86%
No, he's the Tangerine Tornado. No one can touch him 22 43.14%
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Old 05-17-17, 12:50 PM   #26
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Re: Poll: Will Trump be impeached or leave office before his first term ends?

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No. The Republicans won't impeach him for the appearance of impropriety. So far Trump has fired the man investigating Russian ties, and blabbed top secrets to the Russians. Both are legal activities.

Trump would have to commit a flagrant, undeniable crime. His handlers will improve at their jobs and prevent that from happening.
This. In addition, I expect "scandal" fatigue to set in around July. The more that hypersensitivity is given to these scandals and nothing happens as a result, the more likely it is that people will tune out and shrug it off.
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Re: Poll: Will Trump be impeached or leave office before his first term ends?

I'd rather see him stay.

If he keels over or is impeached, 40% of voters will still be on-board for what he represents. I think we should take the time to get it on the table, and continue the experiment. Otherwise, we're going to have another election cycle with the same futurist expectations from the same people. If Republican policy and rhetoric is going to fail, I'd like to see it try and fail. Then we'll end with more certainty.
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Old 05-17-17, 01:00 PM   #28
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Re: Poll: Will Trump be impeached or leave office before his first term ends?

Hmmm, George W. Bush was re-elected, anything's possible.

Now I'm really scared!
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Old 05-17-17, 01:03 PM   #29
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Re: Poll: Will Trump be impeached or leave office before his first term ends?

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I am hoping he won't be impeached, (America deserves him as president)...
I'm leaning more and more this direction. For as much as a bumbling idiot as I think he is I don't think he'll do any real damage. The country needs this right now. This can't be blamed on the Black guy, the woman, or a Clinton. Middle America needs to see the repercussions of our actions. Just like us left fielders have to deal with the repercussions of dismissing the folks in the rust belt/flyover states.
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Re: Poll: Will Trump be impeached or leave office before his first term ends?

It may be best for him to survive as damaged goods. If Pence takes over and passes a couple pieces of legislation, people may forget the cataclysm known as Trump and make Pence a hero for "saving the Country".
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It may be best for him to survive as damaged goods. If Pence takes over and passes a couple pieces of legislation, people may forget the cataclysm known as Trump and make Pence a hero for "saving the Country".
I agree with this. Pence might actually get something passed that would do some damage. Trump will most likely continue shooting himself in the foot at every opportunity. If that keeps the Repubs from passing nonsense like their healthcare bill or from rolling back civil rights, then we're all much better off anyway.
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Re: Poll: Will Trump be impeached or leave office before his first term ends?

It kind of feels like that's inevitable at this point. But with this do-nothing Congress, who knows?
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Re: Poll: Will Trump be impeached or leave office before his first term ends?

Sounds like some of you have Stockholm syndrome.
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Re: Poll: Will Trump be impeached or leave office before his first term ends?

As in Helsinki, Sweden!
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Re: Poll: Will Trump be impeached or leave office before his first term ends?

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I am hoping he won't be impeached, (America deserves him as president), but if he continues on this trend, I can see it happening within the next 4 years. The only way that will happen is if if the Republicans start thinking that he is affecting their chances of re-election by continuing to support him.
My problem with this sentiment is my generation may deserve him, but my kids don't, and he's doing damage that will linger for decades.
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I'd rather see him stay.

If he keels over or is impeached, 40% of voters will still be on-board for what he represents. I think we should take the time to get it on the table, and continue the experiment. Otherwise, we're going to have another election cycle with the same futurist expectations from the same people. If Republican policy and rhetoric is going to fail, I'd like to see it try and fail. Then we'll end with more certainty.

This. I always felt that we'd likely need to hit bottom as a nation in order for the political system to (hopefully) improve - see how bad things can really get. I feel that Trump will help us hit that bottom.
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Re: Poll: Will Trump be impeached or leave office before his first term ends?

Bastards...you swiped my thread:

How Long Will Trump be in Office?

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This. I always felt that we'd likely need to hit bottom as a nation in order for the political system to (hopefully) improve - see how bad things can really get. I feel that Trump will help us hit that bottom.
My fear is that we'll hit bottom and the people in charge will go "This isn't so bad" and stomps us all down even further.
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I think we should take the time to get it on the table, and continue the experiment. Otherwise, we're going to have another election cycle with the same futurist expectations from the same people. If Republican policy and rhetoric is going to fail, I'd like to see it try and fail.
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Middle America needs to see the repercussions of our actions.
They'll just blame the Democrats, and keep on supporting Trump.

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This can't be blamed on the Black guy, the woman, or a Clinton.
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My fear is that we'll hit bottom and the people in charge will go "This isn't so bad" and stomps us all down even further.
As long as blacks/Mexicans/gays/Muslims have it worse, Republicans will happily vote themselves into poverty and, ultimately, the grave.
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My problem with this sentiment is my generation may deserve him, but my kids don't, and he's doing damage that will linger for decades.
Our kids may not "deserve" President Trump but they "need" the lessons that his presidency teaches. Because if the lessons aren't learned, someone far worse than Trump will become president.
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My fear is that we'll hit bottom and the people in charge will go "This isn't so bad" and stomps us all down even further.

If that's the case, then luckily I'm 44 and will likely have around 1-1/2 to 2 decades of unhealthy living before I keel over dead :P
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Our kids may not "deserve" President Trump but they "need" the lessons that his presidency teaches. Because if the lessons aren't learned, someone far worse than Trump will become president.
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Re: Poll: Will Trump be impeached or leave office before his first term ends?

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No way he's getting kicked out. He'll probably win reelection. His base doesn't care about any of these scandals (just like they didn't care about all of his scandals throughout the campaign) and it'll take the Repubs actually turning on him to get him out of office (instead of just paying lip service) and they will NEVER do that.

And he'll never quit.

Settle in folks, it's all Trump all the time from here on out.
This exactly. Everyone needs to stop freaking out and accept it.
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Our kids may not "deserve" President Trump but they "need" the lessons that his presidency teaches. Because if the lessons aren't learned, someone far worse than Trump will become president.
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ding ding ding WINNER!
Eh, we're two generations removed from WWII and are headlong rushing into isolationists undoing the things set up to protect us while white nationalists peacock around.

If my grandparents living through Hitler didn't prevent that, I have doubts my daughter living through Trump will somehow prevent the rise of the Festering Asshole What Shits All Over Our Nice Things Party in 2060.
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No way he's getting kicked out. He'll probably win reelection. His base doesn't care about any of these scandals (just like they didn't care about all of his scandals throughout the campaign) and it'll take the Repubs actually turning on him to get him out of office (instead of just paying lip service) and they will NEVER do that.

And he'll never quit.

Settle in folks, it's all Trump all the time from here on out.
His "base" isn't nearly enough to win him the next election. Don't forget, he won because a ton of Obama voters didn't vote for Hillary - those ex-Obama voters are in no way his "base" and are unlikely to vote for him again, especially if the Dems put forth someone without the Clinton baggage.
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Eh, we're two generations removed from WWII and are headlong rushing into isolationists undoing the things set up to protect us while white nationalists peacock around.

If my grandparents living through Hitler didn't prevent that, I have doubts my daughter living through Trump will somehow prevent the rise of the Festering Asshole What Shits All Over Our Nice Things Party in 2060.
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The point is- if it wasn't Trump now, it would have been someone much worse, and with far more ability in the not too distant future.

This event staves that off for a little while longer.
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Yea. If we're going to make predictions about next election ... no way does Trump win again. Unless there's a big u-turn during his next 1300 days. Like, peace in the Middle East and an economic boom.

Embarrassed and/or beat down Republicans won't vote for him. And Democrats will be more energized than ever to get off the sofa and vote. Especially now that the non-coastal Democrats see what happens when they don't vote (or think "one vote for Trump won't matter").

That reminds me of anecdotal stories about the 2016 election. When Trump's voters were so riled up to vote for him (in areas that were all Trump), it's hard to get out and place a rebellious vote. There are a lot of people who may have wanted to vote Clinton, but stayed home because of pressure they felt from others around them. Same thing happens to a conservative living in NYC or LA.
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Eh, we're two generations removed from WWII and are headlong rushing into isolationists undoing the things set up to protect us while white nationalists peacock around.

If my grandparents living through Hitler didn't prevent that, I have doubts my daughter living through Trump will somehow prevent the rise of the Festering Asshole What Shits All Over Our Nice Things Party in 2060.
Whether or not the lessons are learned and applied is a separate issue. But IMO the lessons need to be taught.
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Interesting theories here. Worse than Trump. I hadn't considered it but imagine Trump combined with the actual intelligence to become a real dictator rather than an incompetent idiot who doesn't know what the hell he's doing. That's a scary thought. Just the fact he's been able to mesmerize 60 million plus people into thinking he's a great leader is terrifying.
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