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Old 05-07-17, 03:03 PM   #26
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I'm glad the French voted for the non-racist candidate. If only we could have done as well.
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Old 05-07-17, 03:18 PM   #27
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Is this going to be like our election where their loss energizes the nutjobs to vote next time around?
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Old 05-07-17, 03:34 PM   #28
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While FN has never been in power, the Le Pen's have been in politics forever. It's a bit like the Clinton's in the US. For a large segment of the population, there's a sort of "family fatigue". Marine Le Pen can distance herself from her father and re-brand herself 100 times, she's still a Le Pen. I predict that someone named Le Pen will never be President of France.
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Old 05-07-17, 04:24 PM   #29
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Sigh of relief.
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Old 05-07-17, 04:52 PM   #30
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Congratulations to President Macron! His supporters shouldn't ridicule Le Pen voters, they should work together in order to improve the lives of the lower and middle class within France.

I, too, breath a sigh of relief.
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Old 05-07-17, 04:55 PM   #31
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For a few moments, I just put myself in an alternate reality where Trump supporters were pounced out the way LePen's were.
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Old 05-07-17, 05:07 PM   #32
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Okay.

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If Le Pen had Mitch McConnell's child they would have this.

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Old 05-07-17, 07:52 PM   #34
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Le Pen would have won if it wasn't for all of the Mexicans illegally voting for Macron.
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Old 05-07-17, 07:53 PM   #35
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There's like 18,000 comments on Breitbart.

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Muslims/globalists/NWO/Caliphate/DeepState/Islam/libtards/cucks/Islam/communists/sharia/surrenderin monkeys/Caliphate.
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Can we open an En Marche franchise in the US?
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Merci France. I have hope for humanity again.
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Old 05-07-17, 11:12 PM   #38
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There's like 18,000 comments on Breitbart.

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Muslims/globalists/NWO/Caliphate/DeepState/Islam/libtards/cucks/Islam/communists/sharia/surrenderin monkeys/Caliphate.
Though it's entertaining, I don't have the time to read through all of it. Here are some gems that stand out...

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Adam Deplorable John airconn • 3 hours ago
Macron stole the election. I don't trust the results. Definitely voter fraud.
Trump is going to destroy globalist France. Trump is going to hit France harder than the Nazis did.
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France, like much of Europe, has lost its Faith in Jesus Christ. When you turn your back on God, God withdraws His favor. The Bible, in the prophetic books of Isaiah, Daniel, and Revelation, foretells of a coming One World Government. The final great empire of mankind will be two societies that should not mix. "Iron and clay" is the description of this New Roman Empire. The antichrist (or Beast) will lord over this new government. What a perfect place to form this government... Europe, which will appease the Muslims, in spite of their violence and hatred, in the hope of keeping their material wealth and liberal, pleasure-seeking lifestyles alive. It works well during the Great Tribulation until the last 3.5 years before Judgement Day. And then... complete destruction. The older I get, the more exact and true the Bible appears to me.
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Donald Trump: Grabbin' pussies for Jesus.
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It's interesting that the wave of right wing nationalism over the last year has succeeded in some countries but not others. What do the countries where nationalists won have in common?

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Congratulations to President Macron! His supporters shouldn't ridicule Le Pen voters, they should work together in order to improve the lives of the lower and middle class within France.
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French Election: Protest Vote for ‘Nobody’ Was Highest In Half a Century
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MAY 8 2017, 11:43 AM ET



LONDON — It wasn't just a defeat for populism, but a rejection of the entire political establishment.

Four million French voters spoiled their ballot or voted "blank" to indicate they wanted neither Emmanuel Macron nor Marine Le Pen in Sunday's presidential election — the highest number recorded in over half a century.

That comes on top of the worst abstention rate in a French presidential runoff since 1969, with 12 million registered voters staying away from the polls.

Added together, 16 million people — one in three French voters — rejected both the candidates on offer.

That's more than the 11 million who actually voted for far-right Le Pen.

"Neither" became the second-most popular choice in the runoff, said Marta Lorimer, a researcher at London School of Economics European Institute. "There are a huge number of people who don't feel represented by either of the two candidates," she said.


As centrist independent Macron celebrated his decisive victory over far-right populist Le Pen Sunday, his success was somewhat tinged by the millions of dissatisfied voters who could not bring themselves to lend him their vote.

"This is not the story of rise and decline of populism, as so many people say it is," said Lorimer. "What we're looking at here is the complete fragmentation of France."

Experts said the high protest vote was partly because it was the first time in more than half a century that no candidate from either the left or right mainstream parties made it through the first round, leaving France with a stark choice of radical anti-immigration and anti-EU Le Pen and untested former banker Macron.

"This year there were lots of people who felt a bit lost because they couldn't bring themselves to vote Macron but they wanted to register their dislike for Marine Le Pen," said Rainbow Murray, an associate professor of French politics at Queen Mary University London.

More than just an untested newcomer, for mainstream right wing voters Macron is simply a continuation of Francois Hollande's socialist government and for mainstream left voters he represents the most disheartening parts of Hollande's presidency — namely neo-liberal economic policies — said Murray.

"They're stuck in a place where nobody is representing them" said Joseph Downing, a Marie Curie fellow at Centre Nationale de Recherches Scientifiques in Marseilles. "They don't want a continuation of Macron's neo-liberal policies but at the same time they're not the people who would vote for the far right, they're not xenophobic, protectionist or nationalist."

Among those left dissatisfied with the two candidates were the supporters of left-wing firebrand Jean-Luc Mélenchon, who polled 19.6 percent of the vote in the April 23 first-round vote.

In an internet survey of Mélenchon supporters conducted by his movement, France Insoumise, after the first-round vote, 36 percent opted to lodge a blank or spoiled vote in the second-round of voting, 29 percent said they would abstain and only 35 percent said they would vote for Macron in the face of Le Pen.

In the days running up to Sunday's vote the hashtags #SansMoiLe7Mai (WithoutMeMay7) and #voteblanc trended on Twitter, encouraging people to lodge a protest vote in the traditional French way by putting a blank ballot paper in the box.

Downing, who studied the movement encouraging spoiled ballots on Twitter, said the protest vote and those encouraging it were "emblematic of challenges Macron will face when governing."

"These people [the protest voters] are not going to vote "En Marche!" during the presidential elections in June and what he needs now are enough députés [lawmakers] in parliament to govern."

When former leader and founder of the FN Jean-Marie Le Pen made it to the runoff vote against Jacques Chirac in 2002, voters flocked to the polls to ensure Le Pen did not win, electing Chirac with a resounding 78 percent of the vote.

The difference between 2002 and 2017 is telling, according to Sylvain Brouard, research professor in electoral behavior at CEVIPOF, a political research institute at Sciences Po. "Clearly the context has changed. There was a large strong, mobilization against Jean-Marie Le Pen, no one was making a case for abstention or spoiled votes," he said.

Part of the picture, according to Brouard, is that it was clear from the polls ahead of Sunday's vote that Macron would be president. "Voters knew Macron would win and didn't want to legitimize him more than was necessary" said Brouard. "Their message was: 'We're not with him. He's not an enemy but he is a political opponent,'" Brouard added.

Certainly the supporters of Mélenchon wanted to show they were the opposition, that they weren't aligned with Macron like everyone else," Brouard said.

Marta Lorimer, of LSE, agreed. "More than just expressing the fact that the alternative to Le Pen is not very likeable, voting blank or spoiling the ballot undermines the future president from the beginning," she said.

"With the lowest turnout since 1969 Macron's opponents can still say he is not really legitimate," she added, "going into the parliamentary elections in June is going to be so much harder than if he'd won 80 percent plus of the vote."

Experts said Sunday's result also showed a country divided rather than united behind the president-elect.

For Brouard, this "new polarization of the left" —in which the far left will no longer vote for centrist candidates, even to defeat the far-right — shows how French politics is changing.

"Traditionally France had two party coalition system — if the communists were ahead the socialists would step aside and support them — now we have four parties and no one is willing to make coalitions," Brouard said.

Lorimer agreed. "The real story here is that four candidates finished within five percentage points of each other in the first round. So the country is essentially divided in four," she said. "If people did rally around Macron it's because the political system forces them to."
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/fr...entury-n756261

President-elect Macron and France face a tough road ahead.
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Experts said the high protest vote was partly because it was the first time in more than half a century that no candidate from either the left or right mainstream parties made it through the first round, leaving France with a stark choice of radical anti-immigration and anti-EU Le Pen and untested former banker Macron.
Sure but:

A public scandal knocked out the initial frontrunner, centre-right candidate François Fillon

So this rejection of mainstream parties wasn't entirely born out of "we'd like something new/different". Macron got a bit lucky:

Five reasons why Macron won the French election

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39791036

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Old 05-08-17, 03:50 PM   #43
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I was thinking about the old days on this forum, and how it's gone from:

Freedom Fries! to Vive La France!
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"Cheese-eating surrender monkeys!"
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"Cheese-eating surrender monkeys!"
I just got a little misty-eyed.

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I just got a little misty-eyed.

I need more proof.
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