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Old 04-20-17, 12:51 PM   #101
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One of his finest racist moments:

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Old 04-20-17, 12:59 PM   #102
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Beyond what he admitted into a microphone?
Dangit! I could have sworn that you originally said "with a microphone," which brought an immediate quip to mind. Did you edit the "with" to "into" (which still could be used but more of a stretch)?
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Old 04-20-17, 01:00 PM   #103
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It's not "racism" when it's directed towards those who are in power.

Basically, those who are not in a power position (minorities) don't have the power to hold over those who do have the power (white/hetero/Christian).
You are misinformed and I can tell this is an institutional line of thinking.

And it's seriously flawed.

Racism has nothing to do with power, in that...you don't have to be in a position of authority and/or power to be racist. Generally, racism starts when it is just the opposite. Groups who feel like they are getting oppressed. For example, Adolf Hitler was far from being in a position of authority but he still had his racist views of Jews and other ethnic groups. He came into power, by spreading his racism. In that case...power came afterwards.

Racism exists in every level in society. Once we accept that, we'll be on our way to a productive discussion.
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Old 04-20-17, 01:05 PM   #104
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It's not "racism" when it's directed towards those who are in power.

Basically, those who are not in a power position (minorities) don't have the power to hold over those who do have the power (white/hetero/Christian).
Aren't the most-oppressed racial minorities in America also primarily hetero & Christian? I'm assuming that you are identifying any group making up a statistical majority or those with more influential traits (wealthy, attractive, able-bodied, higher-educated, healthy, etc.) and are not trying to lump all those traits into one conglomerated group having all those characteristics.
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Old 04-20-17, 01:08 PM   #105
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Probably already been discussed but just saw a quote this morning on Morning Joe saying that it was an "open secret" that O'Reilly was pretty much universally loathed by most of his colleagues at the network.
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Old 04-20-17, 01:09 PM   #106
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You are misinformed and I can tell this is an institutional line of thinking.

And it's seriously flawed.

Racism has nothing to do with power, in that...you don't have to be in a position of authority and/or power to be racist. Generally, racism starts when it is just the opposite. Groups who feel like they are getting oppressed. For example, Adolf Hitler was far from being in a position of authority but he still had his racist views of Jews and other ethnic groups. He came into power, by spreading his racism. In that case...power came afterwards.

Racism exists in every level in society. Once we accept that, we'll be on our way to a productive discussion.
Not surprisingly, YOU are misinformed. Institutional racism is designed to prevent racial minorities from being on a level playing field with, in this country, white people. Your attempt at saying that racism exists at every level completely obfuscates the power structures that benefit white people in general and harm racial minorities in general.

Using your Hitler example, how much institutional power would Hitler have been able to amass if he were black and blaming white people for Germany's problems, or Jewish and blaming Christians?

To put things into a modern context, how much institutional power has BLM amassed?
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I'm genuinely curious why this particular pointless argument isn't in the proper thread?
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Not surprisingly, YOU are misinformed. Institutional racism is designed to prevent racial minorities from being on a level playing field with, in this country, white people. Your attempt at saying that racism exists at every level completely obfuscates the power structures that benefit white people in general and harm racial minorities in general.
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I'm genuinely curious why this particular pointless argument isn't in the proper thread?
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Old 04-20-17, 01:33 PM   #111
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That fucking nails it.
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Who should I harrass to get that kind of money?
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Old 04-20-17, 02:27 PM   #114
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Probably already been discussed but just saw a quote this morning on Morning Joe saying that it was an "open secret" that O'Reilly was pretty much universally loathed by most of his colleagues at the network.
I posted this yesterday:

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I can only imagine people like Krauthammer thinking "thank goodness I don't have to appear on that jackass's show any more." In fact I would think all sorts of quiet, little celebrations (some maybe of only one person) are going on today at Fox by people both in front of and behind the cameras.

This is a true "ding dong the witch is dead" moment.
If you have seen some of the people who appeared on his program regularly, maybe once or twice a week, always on the same day(s) (apparently as an obligation of their contracts) such as Krauthammer or Stossel and you see how he treated them and their trying-to-stay-civil reactions to him, you just know they have to loathe him.
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Old 04-20-17, 02:29 PM   #115
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Dangit! I could have sworn that you originally said "with a microphone," which brought an immediate quip to mind. Did you edit the "with" to "into" (which still could be used but more of a stretch)?
Nope But hey, quip away!
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Old 04-20-17, 04:13 PM   #116
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O'Reilly probably getting about $25 million in severance. The good news is that his new four year contract is apparently worth about $100 million so Fox's "outs" written into the new contract will save them about $75 million.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/20/b...ly-payout.html
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Old 04-20-17, 04:48 PM   #117
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I posted this yesterday:
Yeah, I saw your post & thought of it when they mentioned it on the cable show.

I was just adding the comment to mention an "unofficial-official" confirmation of your speculations from insiders. Can't say that they were gleeful, but they didn't exactly look broken up, either.

Didn't mean to overlook your earlier comment or dismiss it but only to add a little juice to the speculation and confirmation of your suspicions.

It reminds me of seeing leaked footage of others who got caught in tirades and meltdowns toward the underlings (Chris Berman on ESPN comes to mind) when things didn't go their way. Not hard to see O'Reilly or Hannity having similar moments (or Matthews or O'Donnell or Maddow or any number of other ego-driven media types).

Certainly, reports of bad behavior by H. Clinton & Trump toward those who serve them aren't hard to believe, either.
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Old 04-20-17, 06:30 PM   #118
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O'Reilly probably getting about $25 million in severance. The good news is that his new four year contract is apparently worth about $100 million so Fox's "outs" written into the new contract will save them about $75 million.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/20/b...ly-payout.html
I dunno how this would save them any money, as O'Reilly was the one making the money for them. They're gonna lose a lot more than $75 million in the upcoming future when it comes to advertising.

This is all a lose/lose for Fox News. I don't see them recovering from their pole position in the cable network news industry.

Fox News is just becoming a typical social media network, repeating the same videos we've already seen, getting a few laughs, then moving on. They have gradually moved from news reporting...to shock value reporting over the last decade. Their shows will become the Conservative versions of The View.
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Bill O'Reilly was never news though. He was always opinion.
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Bill O'Reilly was never news though. He was always opinion.
Listen Sir, O'Reilly, Hannity, & Limbaugh are real journalists who tell the truth, just ask their fans.
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Listen Sir, O'Reilly, Hannity, & Limbaugh are real journalists who tell the truth, just ask their fans.
That's the fucking problem. *sigh*
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I dunno how this would save them any money, as O'Reilly was the one making the money for them. They're gonna lose a lot more than $75 million in the upcoming future when it comes to advertising.
But that's the point. They lost the overwhelming majority of their advertising for The Factor. You can't support a prime time one hour show with 4-5 minutes of advertising from normally daytime/overnight sponsors like MyPillow. That's all they had going and I bet they had to cut their rate to get them.

What I meant was they cut their losses as well as they could.
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But that's the point. They lost the overwhelming majority of their advertising for The Factor. You can't support a prime time one hour show with 4-5 minutes of advertising from normally daytime/overnight sponsors like MyPillow. That's all they had going and I bet they had to cut their rate to get them.

What I meant was they cut their losses as well as they could.
MyPillow, metholisia ambulance chasers, and Liberty Mutual...to paraphrase Morty Seinfeld, "That's how you move merchandise!".
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But that's the point. They lost the overwhelming majority of their advertising for The Factor. You can't support a prime time one hour show with 4-5 minutes of advertising from normally daytime/overnight sponsors like MyPillow. That's all they had going and I bet they had to cut their rate to get them.

What I meant was they cut their losses as well as they could.
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I've often wondered, if asked and forced to answer, how "conservative pundits" - especially radio hosts - would respond to "If Republicans have the moral high ground/are the party of family values (as you keep reminding us) then shouldn't they be the FIRST to out these hypocrites in the party instead of defending them with the most ridiculous excuses? Isn't this exactly what you fault the Democrats for doing?"
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