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Old 07-04-17, 10:00 PM   #101
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Re: North Korea may have fired missiles

If NK strikes first (Seoul and/or Japan) then they've lost whatever strategic advantage they may have. And then they get cratered.
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Old 07-04-17, 11:41 PM   #102
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Once NK gets close enough we will MOAB them back (ahead?) to the stone age. They can waste their time and money unti then.
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Old 07-05-17, 07:18 AM   #103
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Sanctions won't work because NK wants nuclear weapons more than anything the sanctions would deny.
NK wants nukes for two reasons. First, a matter of prestige. It elevates their self image, makes them feel more important. Second, leverage. The reason NK gets away with anything they want is because they hold SK over our heads. Any military retaliation would result in destruction of SK and thousands of American lives. They want to increase their leverage. Expand it to destruction of other countries if anybody messes with them.

I don't believe NK would fire a first strike. They have nothing to gain. Having nukes does not increase their ability to prevail in war, only their leverage to protect an attack against them. It's a hostage situation. They are attempting to increase the number of hostages.

We don't attack them because doing so would kill the hostages.

There's no such thing as a limited strike or limited engagement with NK. It's ALL OUT WAR or nothing. The second we do anything NK will retaliate with everything they've got.
NK will immediately fire thousands of missiles into SK, along with artillery barrage. The NK troops on the border will advance. We will put up a good fight but our troops will be outnumbered and overrun.
There will be thousands of NK troops in SK. We will have to bomb SK to get them.
NK would use their nukes in whatever capacity they have the ability to do so.
20 million dead the first day.
It would be a short war and we would win. Both NK and SK in utter ruin. No infrastructure left. No food, no electricity, no running water for months, probably years.
Millions of refugees. The U.S. would probably take in 2-3 million.
World markets would crash. How's your IRA doing? Of course the oil market would go up. Gas prices skyrocket.
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Old 07-05-17, 08:46 AM   #104
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Have we learned our lesson yet ... to not ridicule narcissists with unlimited license? Fool me once, Trump becomes president. Fool me twice, KJU develops nukes. Fool me a third time...
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Old 08-08-17, 12:29 PM   #105
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Anyone wanna take bets on when we're going to invade? More than likely the word will be given via Twitter.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/08/politi....html?adkey=bn

Report: North Korea now making missile-ready nuclear weapons

Washington (CNN)North Korea has taken a major step forward in realizing its goal of becoming a nuclear power, according to a Washington Post report on a confidential US intelligence assessment that concludes Pyongyang has developed a nuclear warhead capable of fitting inside its missiles.

The Washington Post first reported details of the assessment on Tuesday just hours after North Korea threatened 'physical action' in response to punitive sanctions unanimously passed by the United Nations Security Council over the weekend.

"The IC [intelligence community] assesses North Korea has produced nuclear weapons for ballistic missile delivery, to include delivery by ICBM-class missiles," the assessment states, in an excerpt read to The Washington Post.
CNN has not independently verified the report.

The Washington Post story says that it is not known if North Korea has successfully tested the smaller design. The analysis is from the Defense Intelligence Agency and it is not clear that the assessment is shared across the intelligence community.

CNN has previously reported that US intelligence estimates Pyongyang may have the capacity to deliver a nuclear weapon to the US mainland by early next year and its missile program showed significant progress during two intercontinental ballistic missile tests in July.

Earlier on Tuesday, President Donald Trump was quick to highlight his administration's success in leading the UN Security Council to unanimously pass sanctions on North Korea. "After many years of failure, countries are coming together to finally address the dangers posed by North Korea. We must be tough & decisive!" Trump wrote in a tweet on Tuesday morning.
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Old 08-08-17, 12:37 PM   #106
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We aren't going to invade. North Korea would blow up Seoul if anyone does. They don't even need bombers because their artillery can reach it.

The current issue of The Atlantic has a good analysis of the situation.
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine...-earth/528717/
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Old 08-08-17, 01:07 PM   #107
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We aren't going to invade. North Korea would blow up Seoul if anyone does. They don't even need bombers because their artillery can reach it.

The current issue of The Atlantic has a good analysis of the situation.
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine...-earth/528717/
But the president doesn't read snobby, elitist liberal shit like The Atlantic.. If Alex Jones or Fox & Friends tells him to invade or bomb North Korea, he'll do it.
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Old 08-08-17, 01:07 PM   #108
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But the president doesn't read snobby, elitist liberal shit like The Atlantic.. If Alex Jones or Fox & Friends tells him to bomb North Korea, he'll do it.
This used to be hyperbole.
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Old 08-08-17, 01:08 PM   #109
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Yeah, I wish The Atlantic were running things, but alas...
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Old 08-08-17, 01:10 PM   #110
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Kim chose the perfect president to stir things up with. Well done, Kim!
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Old 08-08-17, 01:23 PM   #111
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Some say we should wait until California is hit by a nuclear missile, and THEN get tough.
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Old 08-08-17, 01:37 PM   #112
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NK isn't going to nuke us if we leave them alone. If they nuke us, we nuke them. No one in NK will survive. There is no advantage to NK actually firing a nuke at the US. There's a lot of value for them to possess a nuke and use it as a shield to get other countries to back off.
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Old 08-08-17, 01:46 PM   #113
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Logic has no place with an insane leader, though. That's the problem. You cannot reason with this man. One day this guy could wake up from a nightmare that Japan is going to invade, and he could simply launch attacks against Japan. Or South Korea. Or the US.

Best case scenario, we get a team in there, kill him, and the rest of NK breathes a sigh of relief. New leader, better reasoning skills.

And better looking.

What we do know, is that sanctions have not worked. Have never worked. If they did work, he would not be firing missiles on an almost weekly basis, ever-increasing his weapons and technology capabilities.

Under normal circumstances, sanctions have some effect. But the dirty little secret most politicians don't want to publicly admit...is that sanctions never work with a leader who wants to kill you. They only work with people who have a minimal amount of humanity in their brains.

Kim needs to have something to lose in the latest round of sanctions, in order for him to change his behavior. Given he has other outlets for his money, and that China is saying one thing publicly and helping them on the side door, sanctions will only drag out the inevitable conclusion to Kim's demise. The problem with continually wasting time on sanctions, is that it just gives Kim more time to build up his military, increase his tech capability, and increase his strike range.

We're playing a dangerous round of Roulette with cities across the world. I guess we'll just sit back and wait until a major city is destroyed.
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Old 08-08-17, 01:51 PM   #114
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NK has a right to defend themselves with nukes. Other countries have them, so no reason why NK can't have them.

Until they do something with them, I'm not going to worry.
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Old 08-08-17, 01:56 PM   #115
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It's like freaking out over a spider - they're more scared of us than we are of them.

The only reason countries want nukes (NK, included) isn't to actually use them, but that having them gets you into an exclusive club of countries that will never be invaded.
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Logic has no place with an insane leader, though. That's the problem. You cannot reason with this man. One day this guy could wake up from a nightmare that Japan is going to invade, and he could simply launch attacks against Japan. Or South Korea. Or the US.

Best case scenario, we get a team in there, kill him, and the rest of NK breathes a sigh of relief. New leader, better reasoning skills.

And better looking.

What we do know, is that sanctions have not worked. Have never worked. If they did work, he would not be firing missiles on an almost weekly basis, ever-increasing his weapons and technology capabilities.

Under normal circumstances, sanctions have some effect. But the dirty little secret most politicians don't want to publicly admit...is that sanctions never work with a leader who wants to kill you. They only work with people who have a minimal amount of humanity in their brains.

Kim needs to have something to lose in the latest round of sanctions, in order for him to change his behavior. Given he has other outlets for his money, and that China is saying one thing publicly and helping them on the side door, sanctions will only drag out the inevitable conclusion to Kim's demise. The problem with continually wasting time on sanctions, is that it just gives Kim more time to build up his military, increase his tech capability, and increase his strike range.

We're playing a dangerous round of Roulette with cities across the world. I guess we'll just sit back and wait until a major city is destroyed.
Our leader is insane and could easily wipe out random cities around the world. Would it be reasonable for China to invade us based on that logic?

NK has done nothing to suggest they're going to invade or attack anyone. They're posturing to look big so other countries will back off. Stop buying into the sky is falling hysteria.

The US shouldn't be getting into unprovoked, pre-emptive wars. It was wrong in Iraq and it's sure as shit wrong now. All we'll do is destabilize the region and foster a generation of anti-American warriors. It's fucking stupid.

Do you see China worrying about this? No, because NK is no real threat. It's an easy target for bullies like Trump, but let's not confuse his strongman facade with actual strategy.
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It's like freaking out over a spider - they're more scared of us than we are of them.

The only reason countries want nukes (NK, included) isn't to actually use them, but that having them gets you into an exclusive club of countries that will never be invaded.
Yes, BUT...NK isn't the most stable regime in the world. If a shooting war starts over there, we have a whole lot of bad options to pick from unfortunately. I just hope our intel about where their missiles are stationed is accurate. #1 concern is protecting the US.
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Logic has no place with an insane leader...
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California and Colorado are at risk, but not the deep south? I expect that Breitbart is good with that.
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Trump just threatened Kim with "Fire and fury the likes of which the world has never known"

Did he get that phrase from the original Godzilla flick?

Lucky we have a leader that 75% of the country doesn't trust making those threats.
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You have a source for that quote? If he said that, it's...very worrying.
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It's all over the news right now.
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You have a source for that quote? If he said that, it's...very worrying.
It's on every news outlet. I heard it 5 minutes ago straight from his mouth

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Trump just threatened Kim with "Fire and fury the likes of which the world has never known"

Did he get that phrase from the original Godzilla flick?

Lucky we have a leader that 75% of the country doesn't trust making those threats.
'Shock and awe' was already taken.
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