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Old 01-05-17, 10:19 AM   #26
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Turns out the Republicans slipped another goodie into the rules package.

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House Republicans this week reinstated an arcane procedural rule that enables lawmakers to reach deep into the budget and slash the pay of an individual federal worker — down to a $1 — a move that threatens to upend the 130-year-old civil service.

The Holman Rule, named after an Indiana congressman who devised it in 1876, empowers any member of Congress to offer an amendment to an appropriations bill that targets a specific government employee or program.

A majority of the House and the Senate would still have to approve any such amendment, but opponents and supporters agree that it puts agencies and the public on notice that their work is now vulnerable to the whims of elected officials.

Democrats and federal employee unions say the provision, which one called the “Armageddon Rule,” could prove disastrous to the federal workforce, when combined with president-elect Donald Trump’s criticism of the Washington bureaucracy, his call for a freeze on government hiring and his nomination of Cabinet secretaries who seem to be at odds with the mission of the agencies they would lead.

“This is part of a very chilling theme that federal workers are seeing right now,” said Maureen Gilman, legislative director for the National Treasury Employees Union, which represents 150,000 federal employees.

The rule is particularly troubling to Virginia and Maryland lawmakers and the District’s nonvoting delegate, who represent large numbers of federal workers in the national capital region.

The Holman provision was approved Tuesday as part of a larger rules package but received little attention amid the chaos of Republicans’ failed effort to decimate the House ethics office on the first day of the new Congress.

Republican leaders say the rule increases accountability in government and played down concerns — some within their own party — that it will usher in broad changes to the appropriations process.

As a concession to Republicans who oppose the rule, leaders designed it to expire in one year unless lawmakers vote to keep it in place.

House Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) said that insofar as voters elected Trump with the hope of fundamentally changing the way government works, the Holman Rule gives Congress a chance to do just that.

“This is a big rule change inside there that allows people to get at places they hadn’t before,” he told reporters this week.

Asked which agencies would be targeted, he said that “all agencies should be held accountable and tested in a manner and this is an avenue to allow them to do it.”

The rule was the first thing House Minority Whip Steny H. Hoyer (D-Md.) railed against Tuesday in a floor speech objecting to an overarching rules package, which includes the Holman provision.

“Republicans have consistently made our hard-working federal employees scapegoats, in my opinion, for lack of performance of the federal government itself,” he said. “And this rule change will allow them to make shortsighted and ideologically driven changes to our civil service.”

The rule changes the process of passing spending bills by allowing any rank-and-file House member to propose an amendment that would cut a specific federal program or the jobs of specific federal employees, by slashing their salaries or eliminating their positions altogether.

Before this rule change, an agency’s budget could be cut broadly, but a specific program, employee or groups of employees could not be targeted because of civil service protections.

Republicans and Trump advisers have been quietly drawing up plans since the election to erode some of the job protections and benefits that federal workers have received for a generation, starting with a hiring freeze Trump has pledged to put in place in his first 100 days in office.

An end to automatic raises, a green light to fire poor performers, less generous pensions and a ban on union business on the government’s dime — these changes are all on the table now under unified Republican rule in Washington.

Conservatives were thwarted from making these changes under President Obama, but with Trump pledging to shrink big government and shake up a system he told voters on the campaign trail was awash in “waste, fraud and abuse,” they are more emboldened than ever.

Federal unions and their advocates in Congress — and even the Republican behind the rule himself — scrambled Wednesday to understand how the rule would work.

“Now any backbencher can make an amendment to hear his voice heard on a particular program or group of employees,” said Max Stier, president and chief executive of the nonprofit Partnership for Public Service. “We’ll see how it’s used, if it’s used.”

In light of recent inquiries by the Trump transition team for a list of Energy Department scientists who have worked on climate change, advocates for federal workers say they worry that bureaucrats could be targeted for political reasons.

Jeffrey Neal, former personnel chief at the Department of Homeland Security and now a senior vice president for ICF International, said the rule “creates a lot of opportunity for mischief” because lawmakers could act to reduce the salary or eliminate the job of government officials they don’t like.

For example, the House could have voted to significantly reduce the salary of Lois Lerner, the senior executive at the center of the IRS scandal that gave extra scrutiny to conservative groups seeking tax-exempt status. Lawmakers could, in theory, even vote to roll back the 2.1 percent pay raise Obama gave federal employees starting Jan. 1, he said.

Early in its history, the rule was used to eliminate patronage jobs, particularly customs agents, in the late 19th century before the federal workforce shifted to a nonpolitical civil service.

The rule was dropped in 1983, when then-Speaker Tip O’Neill (D-Mass.) objected to spending cuts devised by Republicans and conservative Democrats.

The revival of the Holman Rule was the brainchild of Rep. H. Morgan Griffith (R-Va.), who is intent on increasing the powers of individual members of Congress to reassign workers as policy demands.

Known as the unofficial parliamentarian in the hard-line conservative Freedom Caucus, the four-term congressman sought the rule change out of frustration with an $80 million federal program that pays for the care of wild horses on federal land in the West, which he considers wasteful.

He favors a strategic application of the law, likening it to a bullet from a sniper rifle rather than a shotgun. It’s unlikely — but not impossible — that members will “go crazy” and cut huge swaths of the workforce, he said.

“I can’t tell you it won’t happen,” he said in an interview in his office. “The power is there. But isn’t that appropriate? Who runs this country, the people of the United States or the people on the people’s payroll?”

Although Griffith has few federal workers in his poor and rural southwest district, Rep. Gerald E. Connolly (D-Va.) noted that many of Griffith’s constituents rely on federal programs.

“It’s a backdoor way of furthering your desire to dismantle that part of the federal operation,” he said.

Connolly and Rep. Don Beyer (D-Va.), who each represent thousands of government employees in their Northern Virginia districts, said the rule heralds a new era of granular governing, giving the party in power the ability to mess with federal agencies at a microscopic level.

Several House Republicans did try to block revival of the Holman Rule in a closed-door meeting Monday evening.

Rep. Barbara Comstock, the only Republican member of Congress in Northern Virginia, voted for an amendment sponsored by Reps. Tom Cole (R-Okla.) and Rob Bishop (R-Utah) to strip the rule from the package.

The rule “diminishes the roles of the authorizing committees in the House, and will make it more difficult to pass appropriations bills in the new Congress,” Comstock’s spokesman, Jeff Marschner, said in a statement.

However, when the rules package, including the Holman measure, came to the floor Tuesday, she voted for it, as did every member of her party. All the Democrats voted no.
If this is used to target a specific employee rather than a position, wouldn't that make it a bill of attainder?
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Old 01-05-17, 04:49 PM   #27
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It would have to be proven the employee was targeted due to particular beliefs, but yes, it would be BoA, imo.

But realistically, I think this was done to reduce the budget. We have a lot of government positions which make outrageous amounts of money, just because "they could". When government job positions are several times more than a private sector position...there's something wrong. It's supposed to be just the opposite.

A government job...is working for the people. While not on a government payroll directly, I work for the people. I don't expect to get paid like a king. I get more benefit from knowing I helped somebody off the street and into a home.
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Old 02-13-17, 11:03 AM   #28
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Dana Rohrbacher and Steve King, the two biggest fascists in Congress, palling around with the leading fascist in France.

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As long as we're talking about Rohrabacher ...

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GOP Lawmaker Says Macedonia ‘Is Not a Country,’ Macedonia Goes Ballistic

It’s not your run-of-the-mill diplomatic snafu. The Macedonian government is furious at Rep. Dana Rohrabacher (R-Calif.) for saying Macedonia is not a country, when it is in fact a country.

“This is gonna make everybody mad at me but, uh, what the heck. Macedonia is not a country. I’m sorry, it’s not a country,” Rohrabacher said in an interview with Albanian television station Vizion Plus aired Tuesday. Rohrabacher chairs the House Foreign Affairs subcommittee on Europe, Eurasia, and Emerging Threats.

He went on to clarify that Kosovars and Albanians living in Macedonia “should be a part of Kosovo” and the rest of Macedonia “should be part of Bulgaria or any other country to which they are related.”

His comments came up during a conversation on how to resolve lingering border disputes and ethnic tensions in the Western Balkans.

When asked if Trump would back his claims, Rohrabacher said he “had influence” on policymakers and would hold committee hearings “in the coming months.”

The small Balkan country sharply rebuked the Congressman, saying in a statement his comments “generated immense anxiety” and “inflame nationalist rhetoric in the neighboring regions, taking us back into the past.” Macedonia gained independence in 1991 during Yugoslavia’s breakup, which precipitated almost a decade of bloody and ethnic-based wars.

“We believe that the U.S. State Department will adequately remove any doubt about the stated positions and will affirm its policy towards Macedonia and the Balkans,” the statement added.

“Regarding U.S. policy, we recognize and support the sovereignty and territorial integrity of the Republic of Macedonia,” a State Department spokesperson told Foreign Policy, though the spokesperson declined to comment specifically on Rohrabacher’s remarks. The Congressman’s office also declined to comment.

Rohrabacher’s controversial Macedonia comments come a week after he sent a letter to the Serbian president urging Serbia and Kosovo to redraw their borders to end an ongoing sovereignty dispute between the two countries, which also drew criticism from Balkan leaders.

Though it’s been independent for over two decades, Macedonia is still locked in a political dispute with Greece over its formal name that has slowed its chances of joining Euro-Atlantic institutions including NATO and the European Union. It’s settled on the provisional if unwieldy “Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia.”

Other senior Republican lawmakers have rebuked Rohrabacher, once called “Putin’s favorite Congressman” for his foreign policy stances. Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) called Rohrabacher a “lunatic fringe” after he said allegations of Russia’s human rights abuses were “baloney” in December.

But Rohrabacher’s views may gain more traction during President Donald Trump’s decidedly more Russian-friendly administration; he claimed after the election to be on the shortlist for secretary of state.

And as history shows, gratuitously inflaming ethnic and nationalist tensions in the Balkans is one of the best ways to stir up some of those “emerging threats” for Rohrbacher’s panel to look into.

Update: This article was updated with the State Department’s comments and Congressman Rohrbacher’s decline to comment.
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This is gonna make everybody mad at me but, uh, what the heck. California-48 is not a district. I’m sorry, it’s not a district.
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She probably thinks that the Warsaw Pact still exists.
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She probably thinks that the Warsaw Pact still exists.


Dana Rohrabacher is the handsome fellow on the left in the picture Sean posted.
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If she's a man, why does she have a girl's name?
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He should change it to Dana-da-man
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How many days are you working next month? The House is open for eight days.
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Does Steve King even care if people think he's a Nazi?


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Old 03-27-17, 09:52 PM   #37
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How can Republicans allow this man to be Speaker?



(As embarrassing as the Nickelback poster is, look what's below it.)
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How can Republicans allow this man to be Speaker?



(As embarrassing as the Nickelback poster is, look what's below it.)
what's below it is his only saving grace ...
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.... that pic makes it seem like he's not that far off from turning 100% zombie
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Did he put on lipstick?
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what's below it is his only saving grace ...
I could understand a pic of Emma Watson now, but as a teenager ... that's just creepy.
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I could understand a pic of Emma Watson now, but as a teenager ... that's just creepy.
Very true, and when that's your only saving grace, then you're pretty much a sad, lipstick-wearing zombie who likes crap music.
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Maybe it's his daughter's bedroom?

And he putting on her lipstick?

Y'all those bible thumpers are freaks behind closed doors...
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Old 04-06-17, 05:55 PM   #44
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So today, the GOP changed the Senate rules and will confirm Gorsuch with a simple majority.

The nuclear option!

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Under the rules, the senator in the chair was obligated to rule that McConnell’s point was wrong, which then allowed him to appeal for a vote of his fellow senators to disagree with the ruling. All 52 Republicans voted to disagree. All 48 Democrats voted to uphold it.

That resulted in permanently changing the Senate rules so it only takes 51 votes to advance a Supreme Court nominee. Majority parties will no longer have to concern themselves, at all, with the opinions of the minority party or their voters for any presidential appointments.

It normally takes a two-thirds vote, or 67 votes, to jettison Senate rules in the middle of a session. The fact that McConnell used the nuclear option to do it is a rare step that generates extreme ill-will in a historically deliberative body.
Could one of the smarter people around here explain why it was possible to change the rules with a simple majority vote when "it normally takes a 2/3 vote"?

I am not up on my parliamentary procedure, but that seems very odd to me, and the news just throws that piece of trivia out there like it is nothing.
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Changes in the rules can be made by majority vote, even if the rule itself requires a supermajority. THat's how the Republitards were able to change it.
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I'm not going to hate on Paul Ryan for liking Nickelback. But did he put on lipstick to look better on a webcam? Did he slowly undress and start flicking his bit? WTF?
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Congressman Who Shouted ‘You Lie’ At Obama Gets A Taste Of His Own Medicine
His constituents haven’t forgotten about the infamous moment.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...b0ca64d91970bf
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Maybe it's always been like this - I don't know. But when you're loudly taking so many one sided positions, you open yourself up to criticism. That's what Republicans have done during Obama's years. Their unified obstructionism was weak and short-sighted. And now that they're in a position of responsibility, all of that rhetoric is being turned on them.
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Congressman Who Shouted ‘You Lie’ At Obama Gets A Taste Of His Own Medicine
His constituents haven’t forgotten about the infamous moment.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...b0ca64d91970bf
They were yelling at him about an incident from 2009 and a vote from 2013 (and, to be fair, the Obamacare repeal efforts from last month).

He was re-elected with a 27-point margin of victory in 2016.
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