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Old 12-09-16, 11:20 AM   #1
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CIA: Russia tried to help Trump win the election: Watersports Anyone?

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/1...hacking-232419

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President Barack Obama has ordered a "full review" of hacking-relating activity aimed at disrupting last month's presidential election and he expects that report before he leaves office on Jan. 20, a top White House official said Friday.

“We may be crossed into a new threshold and it is incumbent upon us to take stock of that, to review, to conduct some after-action, to understand what this means, what has happened and to impart those lessons learned," Obama counterterrorism and homeland security adviser Lisa Monaco told reporters at a breakfast arranged by the Christian Science Monitor.


U.S. intelligence officials have blamed the Russian government for pre-election hacking of Democratic officials and political committees. Several Democratic senators have asked Obama to declassify more details about the attacks and why the U.S. concluded the Russians were behind them.

Monaco said the report would be shared with "a range of stakeholders," including members of Congress, but she did not commit to making the findings of the review public.

"That’s going to be first and foremost a determination that’s made by the intelligence community," she said. "We want to do so very attentive to not disclosing sources and methods that may impede our ability to identify and attribute malicious actors in the future."

Monaco struck an ominous tone about internet-related dangers, calling them among the most significant national security issues facing the new administration. Trump's team will "inherit a rapidly growing threat in this space across all dimensions," she said, including intrusions from both "hacktivists" and "criminal actors."
Ahhhhh, so we're gonna review the alleged Russian Hacker theory...even when it's been regarded as bogus and not confirmed (unless you talk to Jill Stein), and when we do complete our investigation/review, we're not going to tell you the sources or mention any facts that might allow the public to research it themselves.

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Old 12-09-16, 11:30 AM   #2
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I think he's talking about the hacking of the DNC and how those hacks were used through wikileaks to damage one - and only one- party, thus seeking to affect the election.
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Ahhhhh, so we're gonna review the alleged Russian Hacker theory...even when it's been regarded as bogus and not confirmed (unless you talk to Jill Stein),
Once more, you are lying. Stop being a liar.

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Security experts have linked Russian actors to hacker breaches of the Democratic National Committee, the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, the emails accounts of Hillary Clinton aide John Podesta and former Secretary of State Colin Powell, the voter rolls of Arizona, Illinois, and Florida, and a deluge of fake news.
https://www.wired.com/2016/12/russia...investigation/


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The federal intelligence community, as well as private cybersecurity analysts, are confident that Russian actors were behind the [DNC] hack. The Homeland Security Department and the Office of the Director of National Intelligence issued a joint statement Oct. 7 saying they believed people at the top levels of Russian government directed the attack in an attempt to interfere in the election.

Some private security researchers also believe Russians stole and leaked emails from Clinton’s campaign manager John Podesta.

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Before the election, Russian actors gained access to the voter registration system in Arizona and possibly other states. It is not clear if the perpetrators were directed by the Russian government or if they were private criminals.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...tial-election/

There is absolutely sound basis to believe Russia may have interfered with the election. Is the theory confirmed? Aspects of it are, and to the extent it is not, that's why Obama has ordered an investigation -- to confirm or refute it. As for your statement that the theory is regarded as bogus by everyone but Jill Stein? Another pathetic lie.
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Old 12-09-16, 11:43 AM   #4
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Yeah this is just some leftist partisan fake issue

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Sens. John McCain, chairman of the Armed Forces Committee, and Lindsey Graham, who chairs Senate subcommittees on foreign operations and terrorism, said this week they intend to launch their own probes of the issue and are planning a congressional trip to Eastern Europe soon to collect more information on the subject. Graham’s review will be a sweeping look at threatening Russian activities, including in Ukraine, but will include examining what role that country played in the election, an aide said this week. The Washington Post quoted McCain as saying he is “working closely” with Senate Intelligence Committee chair Sen. Richard Burr of North Carolina on the issue.
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Old 12-09-16, 11:46 AM   #5
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Once more, you are lying. Stop being a liar.
I don't know if that's fair. If you got all your news from flat earthers and repeatedly came here posting about how stupid we all were for thinking it was round because clearly everyone knows it's flat, you wouldn't necessarily be a liar. You'd be an incredibly ignorant, myopic, dumb motherfucker, but not necessarily a liar.
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Old 12-09-16, 12:02 PM   #6
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I don't know if that's fair. If you got all your news from flat earthers and repeatedly came here posting about how stupid we all were for thinking it was round because clearly everyone knows it's flat, you wouldn't necessarily be a liar. You'd be an incredibly ignorant, myopic, dumb motherfucker, but not necessarily a liar.
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Old 12-09-16, 12:06 PM   #7
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I don't know if that's fair. If you got all your news from flat earthers and repeatedly came here posting about how stupid we all were for thinking it was round because clearly everyone knows it's flat, you wouldn't necessarily be a liar. You'd be an incredibly ignorant, myopic, dumb motherfucker, but not necessarily a liar.
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Old 12-09-16, 12:09 PM   #8
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Ahhhhh, so we're gonna review the alleged Russian Hacker theory...even when it's been regarded as bogus and not confirmed (unless you talk to Jill Stein), and when we do complete our investigation/review, we're not going to tell you the sources or mention any facts that might allow the public to research it themselves.
The U.S. intelligence community asserts that Russian hackers performed a variety of operations to indirectly influence the election. Direct influence (e.g. altering voter rolls or vote totals) is a separate but related matter. Maybe there were not attempts at direct influence. That wouldn't erase the indirect influence. This isn't an all-or-nothing matter.
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Old 12-09-16, 12:11 PM   #9
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For goodness sakes, wasn't there once a "Grundle rule" where you could only have so many threads you started on the first page?
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Old 12-09-16, 12:49 PM   #10
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For goodness sakes, wasn't there once a "Grundle rule" where you could only have so many threads you started on the first page?
Yeah but Trump won. All bets are off. Facts aren't real. Anything goes. So grab yourself a pussy and hang on for the ride!
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Old 12-09-16, 01:23 PM   #11
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I will never get tired of pussy grabbing jokes. They're the #1 upside of trump's win.
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Old 12-09-16, 01:29 PM   #12
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I will never get tired of pussy grabbing jokes. They're the #1 upside of trump's win.
The ladies love it. Just ask Trump!
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Old 12-09-16, 02:50 PM   #13
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Yeah but Trump won. All bets are off. Facts aren't real. Anything goes. So grab yourself a pussy and hang on for the ride!
I just watched an episode of Deadwood where Al grabs Trixie by the pussy.


He also called it "snatch grabbin'."

Damn, I miss that fucking show.

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I will never get tired of pussy grabbing jokes. They're the #1 upside of trump's win.
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Guess someone felt that Russia did have a hand in this election: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...mepage%2Fstory

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Secret CIA assessment says Russia was trying to help Trump win White House

The CIA has concluded in a secret assessment that Russia intervened in the 2016 election to help Donald Trump win the presidency, rather than just to undermine confidence in the U.S. electoral system, according to officials briefed on the matter.

Intelligence agencies have identified individuals with connections to the Russian government who provided WikiLeaks with thousands of hacked emails from the Democratic National Committee and others, including Hillary Clinton’s campaign chairman, according to U.S. officials. Those officials described the individuals as actors known to the intelligence community and part of a wider Russian operation to boost Trump and hurt Clinton’s chances.

“It is the assessment of the intelligence community that Russia’s goal here was to favor one candidate over the other, to help Trump get elected,” said a senior U.S. official briefed on an intelligence presentation made to U.S. senators. “That’s the consensus view.”


The Obama administration has been debating for months how to respond to the alleged Russian intrusions, with White House officials concerned about escalating tensions with Moscow and being accused of trying to boost Clinton’s campaign.

In September, during a secret briefing for congressional leaders, Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell (Ky.) voiced doubts about the veracity of the intelligence, according to officials present.

The Trump transition team did not respond to a request for comment.

Trump has consistently dismissed the intelligence community’s findings about Russian hacking. “I don’t believe they interfered” in the election, he told Time magazine this week. The hacking, he said, “could be Russia. And it could be China. And it could be some guy in his home in New Jersey.”

The CIA shared its latest assessment with key senators in a closed-door briefing on Capitol Hill last week, in which agency officials cited a growing body of intelligence from multiple sources. Agency briefers told the senators it was now “quite clear” that electing Trump was Russia’s goal, according to the officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss intelligence matters.

The CIA presentation to senators about Russia’s intentions fell short of a formal U.S. assessment produced by all 17 intelligence agencies. A senior U.S. official said there were minor disagreements among intelligence officials about the agency’s assessment, in part because some questions remain unanswered.

For example, intelligence agencies do not have specific intelligence showing officials in the Kremlin “directing” the identified individuals to pass the Democratic emails to WikiLeaks, a second senior U.S. official said. Those actors, according to the official, were “one step” removed from the Russian government, rather than government employees. Moscow has in the past used middlemen to participate in sensitive intelligence operations so it has plausible deniability.

Julian Assange, the founder of WikiLeaks, has said in a television interview that the “Russian government is not the source.”

The White House and CIA officials declined to comment.

On Friday, the White House said President Obama had ordered a “full review” of Russian hacking during the election campaign, as pressure from Congress has grown for greater public understanding of exactly what Moscow did to influence the electoral process.

“We may have crossed into a new threshold, and it is incumbent upon us to take stock of that, to review, to conduct some after-action, to understand what has happened and to impart some lessons learned,” Obama’s counterterrorism and homeland security adviser, Lisa Monaco, told reporters at a breakfast hosted by the Christian Science Monitor.

Obama wants the report before he leaves office Jan. 20, Monaco said.

During her remarks, Monaco didn’t address the latest CIA assessment, which hasn’t been previously disclosed.

Seven Democratic senators last week asked Obama to declassify details about the intrusions and why officials believe that the Kremlin was behind the operation. Officials said Friday that the senators specifically were asking the White House to release portions of the CIA’s presentation.

This week, top Democratic lawmakers in the House also sent a letter to Obama, asking for briefings on Russian interference in the election.

U.S. intelligence agencies have been cautious for months in characterizing Russia’s motivations, reflecting the United States’ long-standing struggle to collect reliable intelligence on President Vladi*mir Putin and those closest to him.

In previous assessments, the CIA and other intelligence agencies told the White House and congressional leaders that they believed Moscow’s aim was to undermine confidence in the U.S. electoral system. The assessments stopped short of saying the goal was to help elect Trump.

On Oct. 7, the intelligence community officially accused Moscow of seeking to interfere in the election through the hacking of “political organizations.” Though the statement never specified which party, it was clear that officials were referring to cyber-intrusions into the computers of the DNC and other Democratic groups and individuals.

Some key Republican lawmakers have continued to question the quality of evidence supporting Russian involvement.

“I’ll be the first one to come out and point at Russia if there’s clear evidence, but there is no clear evidence — even now,” said Rep. Devin Nunes (R-Calif.), the chairman of the House Intelligence Committee and a member of the Trump transition team. “There’s a lot of innuendo, lots of circumstantial evidence, that’s it.”

Though Russia has long conducted cyberspying on U.S. agencies, companies and organizations, this presidential campaign marks the first time Russia has attempted through cyber means to interfere in, if not actively influence, the outcome of an election, the officials said.

The reluctance of the Obama White House to respond to the alleged Russian intrusions before Election Day upset Democrats on the Hill as well as members of the Clinton campaign.

Within the administration, top officials from different agencies sparred over whether and how to respond. White House officials were concerned that covert retaliatory measures might risk an escalation in which Russia, with sophisticated cyber capabilities, might have less to lose than the United States, with its vast and vulnerable digital infrastructure.

The White House’s reluctance to take that risk left Washington weighing more limited measures, including the “naming and shaming” approach of publicly blaming Moscow.

By mid-September, White House officials had decided it was time to take that step, but they worried that doing so unilaterally and without bipartisan congressional backing just weeks before the election would make Obama vulnerable to charges that he was using intelligence for political purposes.

Instead, officials devised a plan to seek bipartisan support from top lawmakers and set up a secret meeting with the Gang of 12 — a group that includes House and Senate leaders, as well as the ranking members of both chambers’ committees on intelligence and homeland security.

Obama dispatched Monaco, FBI Director James B. Comey and Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson to make the pitch for a “show of solidarity and bipartisan unity” against Russian interference in the election, according to a senior administration official.

Specifically, the White House wanted congressional leaders to sign off on a bipartisan statement urging state and local officials to take federal help in protecting their voting-registration and balloting machines from Russian cyber-intrusions.

Though U.S. intelligence agencies were skeptical that hackers would be able to manipulate the election results in a systematic way, the White House feared that Moscow would attempt to do so, sowing doubt about the fundamental mechanisms of democracy and potentially forcing a more dangerous confrontation between Washington and Moscow.

In a secure room in the Capitol used for briefings involving classified information, administration officials broadly laid out the evidence U.S. spy agencies had collected, showing Russia’s role in cyber-intrusions in at least two states and in hacking the emails of the Democratic organizations and individuals.

And they made a case for a united, bipartisan front in response to what one official described as “the threat posed by unprecedented meddling by a foreign power in our election process.”

The Democratic leaders in the room unanimously agreed on the need to take the threat seriously. Republicans, however, were divided, with at least two GOP lawmakers reluctant to accede to the White House requests.

According to several officials, McConnell raised doubts about the underlying intelligence and made clear to the administration that he would consider any effort by the White House to challenge the Russians publicly an act of partisan politics.

Some of the Republicans in the briefing also seemed opposed to the idea of going public with such explosive allegations in the final stages of an election, a move that they argued would only rattle public confidence and play into Moscow’s hands.

McConnell’s office did not respond to a request for comment. After the election, Trump chose McConnell’s wife, Elaine Chao, as his nominee for transportation secretary.

Some Clinton supporters saw the White House’s reluctance to act without bipartisan support as further evidence of an excessive caution in facing adversaries.

“The lack of an administration response on the Russian hacking cannot be attributed to Congress,” said Rep. Adam B. Schiff (Calif.), the ranking Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee, who was at the September meeting. “The administration has all the tools it needs to respond. They have the ability to impose sanctions. They have the ability to take clandestine means. The administration has decided not to utilize them in a way that would deter the Russians, and I think that’s a problem.”
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“The lack of an administration response on the Russian hacking cannot be attributed to Congress,” said Rep. Adam B. Schiff (Calif.), the ranking Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee, who was at the September meeting. “The administration has all the tools it needs to respond. They have the ability to impose sanctions. They have the ability to take clandestine means. The administration has decided not to utilize them in a way that would deter the Russians, and I think that’s a problem.”
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And this new administration is going to roll out the welcome mat for Putin. Oh wait, I'm supposed to hold off on my judgements until we're already living in New Moscow.
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And this new administration is going to roll out the welcome mat for Putin. Oh wait, I'm supposed to hold off on my judgements until we're already living in New Moscow.


And that sucks even more. Leading the fox right into the hen house.
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And this new administration is going to roll out the welcome mat for Putin. Oh wait, I'm supposed to hold off on my judgements until we're already living in New Moscow.
I could be wrong... Isn't Trump playing the same game that Putin played to get rich(er)? He quietly aligned his businesses with his presidency to gain wealth. Before we know it, Trump will be stashing funds with friends-of-friends under the guise of inflated government contracts and whatnot.

I know I'm projecting. But Trump isn't helping things by talking with world leaders about his hotels (I'm sorry, his kids doing the work under the blind trust ... nudge nudge). Renting his hotels back to secret service. And, quite simply, when you're invested in that many businesses, he can't be more than a degree or two of separation between himself and any large corporation.

There's no stopping what's coming. I don't think it's end of days or anything like that. I don't see civil liberties coming under attack (though I doubt we'll see any progress). And I also don't see Trump (and Co) running the USA any different than Gordon Gekko runs an airline.
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You see the parallels between Trump and Putin but don't think our civil liberties will be under attack? Keep in mind that Mike Pence is going to likely do a lot of the actual day to day running of the country and will probably set a lot of policy, anything that Trump doesn't think he can make money off of.

The absolute best case scenario I see here is that Trump is impeached quickly over something that can't be denied and is offensive to the majority of Americans, and then Mike Pence is found in bed with a few cabana boys. But if I'm wishing for stuff that won't happen I might as well wish for a private island so I can just bounce out of here and watch the destruction from afar.
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You see the parallels between Trump and Putin but don't think our civil liberties will be under attack?
Nah. Different government. Less a dictatorship. I think there's enough sensible people in the house and senate to keep things from getting too crazy.

Biggest blowback comes from the nutjob citizens that Trump's election empowers and validates. But that's minimal too. Those people are just the loudest and most provocative - so they get all the attention.
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The absolute best case scenario I see here is that Trump is impeached quickly over something that can't be denied and is offensive to the majority of Americans, and then Mike Pence is found in bed with a few cabana boys. But if I'm wishing for stuff that won't happen I might as well wish for a private island so I can just bounce out of here and watch the destruction from afar.
Come on man. You can't complain about how DP posts and then post the same way, only with a left viewpoint. DP *giggle*

The best case scenario is that we have another ho-hum four years and nothing really happens. Trump exits with a 10%-30% approval rating. Liberals will finally get off their ass and vote in 2020 to make sure they beat Trump.

Let's go a little further. Third parties are DESTROYED in 2020. The independents won't want another four years of Trump, and will understand the idea of "throwing away your vote". 2024 will either go to a Dem or establishment Republican (nothing crazy next time). By 2028 we forget 2016 and it all starts over again.
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Come on man. You can't complain about how DP posts and then post the same way, only with a left viewpoint. DP *giggle*

The best case scenario is that we have another ho-hum four years and nothing really happens. Trump exits with a 10%-30% approval rating. Liberals will finally get off their ass and vote in 2020 to make sure they beat Trump.

Let's go a little further. Third parties are DESTROYED in 2020. The independents won't want another four years of Trump, and will understand the idea of "throwing away your vote". 2024 will either go to a Dem or establishment Republican (nothing crazy next time). By 2028 we forget 2016 and it all starts over again.
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Come on man. You can't complain about how DP posts and then post the same way, only with a left viewpoint. DP *giggle*

The best case scenario is that we have another ho-hum four years and nothing really happens. Trump exits with a 10%-30% approval rating. Liberals will finally get off their ass and vote in 2020 to make sure they beat Trump.

Let's go a little further. Third parties are DESTROYED in 2020. The independents won't want another four years of Trump, and will understand the idea of "throwing away your vote". 2024 will either go to a Dem or establishment Republican (nothing crazy next time). By 2028 we forget 2016 and it all starts over again.
Ouch, you sting me with your words! I fully acknowledged that my scenario bears no resemblance to reality, unlike DP who cannot tell the difference between fantasy and reality.

At this point I would take a ho-hum four years, but I don't think we will get that on a variety of issues, from the environment to women's rights to separation of church and state. The GOP is about to be drunk with power and we've already seen many people who are willing to sell their souls to the devil for a taste.
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