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Old 12-09-16, 10:35 PM   #26
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Tribune too.

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The CIA has concluded in a secret assessment that Russia intervened in the 2016 election to help Donald Trump win the presidency, rather than just to undermine confidence in the U.S. electoral system, according to officials briefed on the matter.

Intelligence agencies have identified individuals with connections to the Russian government who provided WikiLeaks with thousands of hacked emails from the Democratic National Committee and others, including Hillary Clinton's campaign chairman, according to U.S. officials. Those officials described the individuals as actors known to the intelligence community and part of a wider Russian operation to boost Trump and hurt Clinton's chances.

"It is the assessment of the intelligence community that Russia's goal here was to favor one candidate over the other, to help Trump get elected," said a senior U.S. official briefed on an intelligence presentation made to U.S. senators. "That's the consensus view."
But, even if Russians did this, people in America still voted like how they voted, right? It's not like anyone was influenced by this stuff - all it did was reinforce what they already believed, it's not like they rigged the voting booths or that anyone would take back their vote.
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It's tough to say what, if any, impact the hacks had. It almost certainly means that Trump is going to let Putin do whatever the fuck he wants with Eastern Europe.
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Too bad Republicans in Congress are too chickenshit to actually act on the CIA's report. We're getting to the point where a military coup may be a reasonable option.
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Old 12-09-16, 10:57 PM   #29
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But, even if Russians did this, people in America still voted like how they voted, right? It's not like anyone was influenced by this stuff - all it did was reinforce what they already believed, it's not like they rigged the voting booths or that anyone would take back their vote.
There's an argument that it counts as an emolument -- remember, the whole point of the emoluments clause is to prevent the President from being beholden to a foreign power, which Trump clearly is at this point -- which would be grounds for immediate impeachment.
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So look, at this point it's painfully obvious to anyone with a functioning cerebrum that Trump is literally a puppet of the Russian government. I guess it's for history to decide whether
  1. Trump hates America and is undermining it from within
  2. Trump is so deep in debt to Russian mobsters that this is his only way out
  3. Trump is such a moron that he doesn't even realize what he's doing
The really sad part (other than our country potentially losing its sovereignty) is that any of the three are equally possible theories.

Sad!
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Old 12-09-16, 11:23 PM   #31
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I suspect it's number two.
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I suspect it's number two.
Given his unwillingness to release his tax returns I'm inclined to agree.

Something I posted some months ago is the astonishment that the Republicans would nominate and eventually vote for a de facto agent of the Russian government. For anyone old enough to have lived through the Cold War, the irony is astonishing.
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Old 12-09-16, 11:34 PM   #33
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The majority of Republicans have shown they are willing to compromise virtually any principle they claim to hold so long as it keeps them in power.
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There's also a sizable element of the republican base that fawns over Putin.
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  1. Trump hates America and is undermining it from within
  2. Trump is so deep in debt to Russian mobsters that this is his only way out
  3. Trump is such a moron that he doesn't even realize what he's doing
The really sad part (other than our country potentially losing its sovereignty) is that any of the three are equally possible theories.
1. Trump doesn't hate "America." I don't think he cares enough to love it or hate it. Everything Trump does serves his inflated ego. And that's wher it begins and ends for him.

2. Likely.

3. Definitely.
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Old 12-10-16, 12:17 AM   #36
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So look, at this point it's painfully obvious to anyone with a functioning cerebrum that Trump is literally a puppet of the Russian government. I guess it's for history to decide whether
  1. Trump hates America and is undermining it from within
  2. Trump is so deep in debt to Russian mobsters that this is his only way out
  3. Trump is such a moron that he doesn't even realize what he's doing
The really sad part (other than our country potentially losing its sovereignty) is that any of the three are equally possible theories.

Sad!
Consider this -- Trump's first visit to Russia was July 1987; less than two months after getting back, he took out a full page ad in the New York Times criticizing US foreign policy.

And there's also the rumor that Russian intelligence has video of Trump with underage prostitutes.
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Old 12-10-16, 01:03 AM   #37
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...=.d23768e6025f

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The CIA has concluded in a secret assessment that Russia intervened in the 2016 election to help Donald Trump win the presidency, rather than just to undermine confidence in the U.S. electoral system, according to officials briefed on the matter.


Oh shit, I pee'd my pants at midnight. I swear, this is BETTER than Fake Newz.

What did I say just earlier today: "We have proof. We just can't give it you."

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intelligence agencies do not have specific intelligence showing officials in the Kremlin “directing” the identified individuals to pass the Democratic emails to WikiLeaks, a second senior U.S. official said. Those actors, according to the official, were “one step” removed from the Russian government, rather than government employees. Moscow has in the past used middlemen to participate in sensitive intelligence operations so it has plausible deniability.
Ooops. I thought the !Russians! were involved? Maybe? Maybe Not? Kinda? But we can't ascertain?

No. Specific. Intelligence.

Those three words are key to this entire investigation. And Obama's Administration. They've never had specific intelligence...it's all innuendo, and we're just supposed to believe it like the feel-good cuddly zombies that were created over the last 8 years.

Shit, I thought we were gonna at least wait a few weeks before Obama's investigation was going to prove that THE RUSSIANS DID IT!!!!! But I guess the Washington Post had to rub one out as fast as they could.

It's kinda sad the MSM will be the laughing stock of news in a few months.

Oh. Oh. Let me guess what Washington Post article will make it to the front page in a few days:

"TRUMP IS AN ALIEN!!! Says Putin. Super secret sources within the Russian empire have spoken on condition of anonymity with Washington Post that Trump is an alien, and will be competing with Obama to go to Mars...where both of them are from. Apparently, these two races have battled each other for thousands of years!!!! More to come!!!!!"
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Old 12-10-16, 01:11 AM   #38
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Oh shit, I pee'd my pants at midnight. I swear, this is BETTER than Fake Newz.

What did I say just earlier today: "We have proof. We just can't give it you."



Ooops. I thought the !Russians! were involved? Maybe? Maybe Not? Kinda? But we can't ascertain?

No. Specific. Intelligence.

Those three words are key to this entire investigation. And Obama's Administration. They've never specific intelligence...it's all innuendo, and we're just supposed to believe it like the feel-good cuddly zombies that were created over the last 8 years.
You mean kinda like how Trump doesn't want to show his tax returns?
Regardless, it's not just Obama, but the CIA and other higher ups as well. And yeah, all the major media outlets and politicians on both sides who are saying this was a thing are all pedaling in fake news but YOU, of all people, you know better. Yeah, go with that.

Still, if the election proved anything to me it's that nothing will come of this.
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Old 12-10-16, 01:14 AM   #39
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I can't confirm or deny your accusation because...it's a secret.

I played this game when I was in 2nd Grade. I guess the Obama Administration is reaching out to its most marketable base of believers.

At least have a transparent investigation that demonstrates a little bit of respect, but I guess that was too much to ask. Once again...WE KNOW THINGS...You people don't...and if you ask us...IT'S A SECRET. WE KNOW BETTER THAN YOU...you are not privileged to know things...so just move along.

And that, ladies and gentlemen, pretty much describes the last 8 years of Obama.
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Arguing with Polizei is like snorting cherry Jell-o up your anus while whistling the Tetris theme backwards -- it makes no damn sense, and you're going to be embarrassed if anyone sees you doing it.
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Hush DP, adults are talking.
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Old 12-10-16, 01:33 AM   #42
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It's tough to say what, if any, impact the hacks had. It almost certainly means that Trump is going to let Putin do whatever the fuck he wants with Eastern Europe.
If it becomes obvious Trump is letting Putin do whatever he wants, Pence and the cabinet that Pence pretty much put together would remove him in a second. Congress wants Pence anyway. Of course this would cause a mess for Republicans but they are not going to let Trump be Putin's puppet. I am not a conspiracy theorist but it is a bit strange how Trump defends Putin
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Would Pence care as much about Eastern Europe if he were busy trying to force women to carry children to term and making sure that no penises ever touch?
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Would Pence care as much about Eastern Europe if he were busy trying to force women to carry children to term and making sure that no penises ever touch?
More than Trump would care
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Russia rigged this thing all right.

I bet Russia put a chip in Hilary head and her campaign managers head telling her to ignore states in the Midwest despite Bill,Ed Rendell and state reps cautioning them that things were tighter then their internals polls were showing them.

I bet Russia brainwashed Washington Democrats and convinced them to clear the field in the primary so the only major options were a establishment candidate embroiled in scandal and a 74 year old Castro loving Socialist from Vermont.

I bet it was Russia with a Gun to Hilary's head to pick Kaine as VP who adds nothing and is Hilary's ideological twin instead of someone Progressive Bernie supporters would like.


I bet Russia put spys on her campaign and had Hilary convinced to spend more time raising money from donors and less time on the trail doing retail politics for votes. Pretty sneaky
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Russia rigged this thing all right.

I bet Russia put a chip in Hilary head and her campaign managers head telling her to ignore states in the Midwest despite Bill,Ed Rendell and state reps cautioning them that things were tighter then their internals polls were showing them.

I bet Russia brainwashed Washington Democrats and convinced them to clear the field in the primary so the only major options were a establishment candidate embroiled in scandal and a 74 year old Castro loving Socialist from Vermont.

I bet it was Russia with a Gun to Hilary's head to pick Kaine as VP who adds nothing and is Hilary's ideological twin instead of someone Progressive Bernie supporters would like.


I bet Russia put spys on her campaign and had Hilary convinced to spend more time raising money from donors and less time on the trail doing retail politics for votes. Pretty sneaky
You realize that the involvement of the Russians is the consensus of 17 different US agencies, right? It's not just "some guy at the CIA".

And I notice you're also ignoring the documented trend of Russia doing this in other countries in the past. It's not out of character and follows an established trend.
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It's the act of a shameless partisan to see evidence of foreign interference in our election and decide that the proper response is to blame the victim of that interference for not being strong enough to win despite the interference.
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So look, at this point it's painfully obvious to anyone with a functioning cerebrum that Trump is literally a puppet of the Russian government.
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I think self-interest and narcissism are the simplest (and probably correct) explanations for Trump's rejections of the conclusions of the U.S. intelligence community on Russia's role in the election. He is saying, "I didn't need help to win, and I didn't get help." The idea that he only won due to external factors (Russia, FBI, etc.) is a threat to how he sees himself and how his supporters see him.

I'm not going down the conspiracy-theory rabbit hole.
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