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Old 12-01-16, 04:25 PM   #76
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Re: What changes are needed in the Democratic Party?

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Laugh if that helps. But the day before election day the talk was about how the Republican party was going to be snuffed out of existence with this election... how when Trump loses he was going to take the entire party down with him. This wasn't just coming from far left media, but mainstream as well.
I think that goes to show how lazy the media and political pundintry is.They like to put everything in a nice little narrative with a bow on it. The Democratic Party isn't dead now like it wasn't dead in 2004 and like the Republican Party wasn't dead after 2012.

Democrats definitely need to make a better effort with groups they don't do well with and really need to do a better job recruiting talent at the state and local levels. That said they could do nothing to imrpove their standing as a party and just win by default again if Trump is unpopular in 4 years.

Likewise the Republicans won this year because the Democrats cleared the field for a bad candidate but the rug could all be pulled from under them as they have things they need to work on to.

That said both parties will probably still be around in 40 years each with plenty of wins and loses on their column.
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Re: What changes are needed in the Democratic Party?

I think this is a big mistake but they are saying they are not ready for a leadership change.

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Old 12-02-16, 12:33 AM   #78
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I think that goes to show how lazy the media and political pundintry is.They like to put everything in a nice little narrative with a bow on it. The Democratic Party isn't dead now like it wasn't dead in 2004 and like the Republican Party wasn't dead after 2012.



That said both parties will probably still be around in 40 years each with plenty of wins and loses on their column.
Wasn't there a similar thread made here about the Republican Party a few months before Trump got elected?

It somewhat reminds me of George Orwell's 1984. In the book, the citizens of Oceania eagerly look forward to the day that their side will defeat Eastasia/Eurasia, not realizing there is no war, and that the illusion of two warring sides is created to keep the status quo and the people complacent.
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It somewhat reminds me of George Orwell's 1984. In the book, the citizens of Oceania eagerly look forward to the day that their side will defeat Eastasia/Eurasia, not realizing there is no war, and that the illusion of two warring sides is created to keep the status quo and the people complacent.
It also reminds me of Bill Hicks' bit about the two parties: "I like the puppet on the left! Well, the puppet on the right is more to my liking! Waitaminit, they're connected to the same puppet-master. Go back to sleep, America..."
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It somewhat reminds me of George Orwell's 1984. In the book, the citizens of Oceania eagerly look forward to the day that their side will defeat Eastasia/Eurasia, not realizing there is no war, and that the illusion of two warring sides is created to keep the status quo and the people complacent.
Makes sense to me.

I'll also add that I believe it's something like 1% of the world that fights with 1% of the world. Like when a fight breaks out in a bar. Most people don't want anything to do with it. It's just a handful of assholes causing the problems.
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Old 12-02-16, 01:27 AM   #81
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It also reminds me of Bill Hicks' bit about the two parties: "I like the puppet on the left! Well, the puppet on the right is more to my liking! Waitaminit, they're connected to the same puppet-master. Go back to sleep, America..."

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Nancy Pelosi getting rehired is a step in the right direction...... just kidding.

why the hell do they rehire her?
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Who should be the "leader" of the Democratic Party? Warren, Schumer, Pelosi?

Will it be Ellison?


Mika seems to have soured a bit on Warren:

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It also reminds me of Bill Hicks' bit about the two parties: "I like the puppet on the left! Well, the puppet on the right is more to my liking! Waitaminit, they're connected to the same puppet-master. Go back to sleep, America..."
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Old 12-02-16, 10:03 AM   #85
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Once again, the idea that Democrats have to jump through hoops and twist and contort who they are while the Republicans let it all hang out rears its head again.

Well, let's put things in perspective. The Democrats won the popular vote and electoral votes for POTUS in 2008 and 2012, and the popular vote for this election--and indeed what most of the elections since 1992 (right?). So, because Trump won the electoral vote this cycle, all of a sudden Democrats have to act like Mondale lost to Reagan in 1984? Fuck that. Do they need to step up their game? Sure. But, I don't think sinking to Trump's level is the answer. They need an icon that will excite their base and bring in undecideds.
They have to be the opposition to the party in power. They have to distinguish themselves from the party in power. They have to bring better ideas. And they have to SELL them.
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Once again, the idea that Democrats have to jump through hoops and twist and contort who they are while the Republicans let it all hang out rears its head again.

Well, let's put things in perspective. The Democrats won the popular vote and electoral votes for POTUS in 2008 and 2012, and the popular vote for this election--and indeed what most of the elections since 1992 (right?). So, because Trump won the electoral vote this cycle, all of a sudden Democrats have to act like Mondale lost to Reagan in 1984? Fuck that. Do they need to step up their game? Sure. But, I don't think sinking to Trump's level is the answer. They need an icon that will excite their base and bring in undecideds.
They have to be the opposition to the party in power. They have to distinguish themselves from the party in power. They have to bring better ideas. And they have to SELL them.
Yeah maybe next time we should pick someone other than the person most heaped in scandal in the entire party just because it's her turn.
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Yeah maybe next time we should pick someone other than the person most heaped in scandal in the entire party just because it's her turn.
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Yeah maybe next time we should pick someone other than the person most heaped in scandal in the entire party just because it's her turn.
ding ding ding ding ding ding
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ding ding ding ding ding ding
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ding ding ding ding ding ding
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Like who?
Joe Biden. He could've wiped the floor with Trump.
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Joe Biden. He could've wiped the floor with Trump.
Biden didn't want to run so soon after his son's death.

Who else?
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Old 12-02-16, 12:40 PM   #93
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Joe Biden. He could've wiped the floor with Trump.
Still hate the fact that Biden didn't run. I still wonder how much it had to do with his son and how much it had to do with the deal Hillary made for it to be "her turn"?

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Biden didn't want to run so soon after his son's death.

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good question..... ask the democratic party. They need one. And so begins the search
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Isn't this when someone says the witch is dead?
no its more ding dong the witch is dead. she wasnt a witch but wasnt deserving of the position
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Still hate the fact that Biden didn't run. I still wonder how much it had to do with his soon and how much it had to do with the deal Hillary made for it to be "her turn"?
with all those emails on how they basically laughed at bernie, im sure there was a deal made
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Still hate the fact that Biden didn't run. I still wonder how much it had to do with his soon and how much it had to do with the deal Hillary made for it to be "her turn"?
I believe that Joe Biden was told the fix was in and Hillary Clinton was going to be their choice.
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no its more ding dong the witch is dead. she wasnt a witch but wasnt deserving of the position
This is what I meant: McAuliffe - Clinton is done with politics upbeat about working with Trump.
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The Democrats are in an unenviable situation. If they work towards idealistic principles of being "the party of the people", they're smeared as "hippies" and they lose. If they compromise with the conservative element to get things done in corporate-owned Washington D.C. they're smeared as "sell-outs" and now they lose.

Progressives, we do this to ourselves.
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Stick with policy issues and Democrats can develop a good plan for 2020. By now, Democrats should know Trump's weakness is NOT his character, morality, or off-handed remarks--it's with his policies he will make.
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