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Old 02-17-17, 12:58 PM   #76
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Re: Attacks on Minorities in Trump's America

Almost happened.

FBI Arrests Man Accused of Buying Gun for Dylann Roof-Style Attack

http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/natio...FlowFB_NYBrand
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Old 02-23-17, 02:27 PM   #77
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Totally not terrorism.

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A 51-year-old Olathe man was charged Thursday in a Wednesday night shooting at an Olathe bar that left one man dead and two others wounded.

Adam Purinton was drinking at a bar in an Applebee’s in Clinton, Mo., when he was arrested early Thursday, about five hours after the shooting, police said.

The Star has learned that charges were filed early Thursday afternoon.

Johnson County prosecutors would not confirm that, but said they would make a formal announcement at a press conference at 4 p.m. Thursday afternoon with Olathe police and the FBI at Olathe Police Headquarters.

Purinton, a Navy veteran, was booked into the Henry County Jail. After the charges were filed, Purinton appeared before a judge in Henry County and waived his right to fight extradition.

It was not known how soon he would be returned to Johnson County.

Purinton allegedly told a bartender in Clinton that he had killed two Middle Eastern men, The Star has learned.

He reportedly told the bartender that he needed a place to hide out.

Assistant Clinton Police Chief Sonny Lynch said that a bartender called police after the man talked about being involved in a shooting.

Clinton officers responded and took him into custody without incident. Lynch said the man was not armed when he was arrested.

At least one witness reportedly heard the suspect yell “get out of my country” shortly before shooting men he thought were Middle Eastern. Both men, engineers at Garmin, appear to be originally from India.
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Old 02-23-17, 02:49 PM   #78
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It's only terrorism if the person is brown. White people are just "mentally ill".
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Old 02-23-17, 11:36 PM   #79
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Janet Nguyen, California senator forcibly removed while attempting to give a speech

Sen. Nguyen, a Vietnamese refugee, had begun to criticize the late Democrat lawmaker Tom Hayden just two days after he had been memorialized.

Hayden drew criticism from Nguyen, who said Hayden “sided with the communist government that enslaved and killed millions of Vietnamese, including my family.”
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It's only terrorism if the person is brown. White people are just "mentally ill".
After reading the article, do you think this was a politically motivated attack?
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Old 02-24-17, 07:15 AM   #81
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After reading the article, do you think this was a politically motivated attack?
That doesn't matter. The politics aren't what get non-white attackers the terroist label.

Here's an article about how it should be defined. And I definitely heard people say the San Bernadine attacks were terroism.
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Old 02-24-17, 08:07 AM   #82
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That doesn't matter. The politics aren't what get non-white attackers the terroist label.

Here's an article about how it should be defined. And I definitely heard people say the San Bernadine attacks were terroism.
Wait, do you think the San Bernadino attack was not terrorism?
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Old 02-24-17, 08:15 AM   #83
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Wait, do you think the San Bernadino attack was not terrorism?
It probably was but I don't think it's as clear cut as some think. There is an element of "workplace shooting" that I don't think can be dismissed.

The point is that when a white person kills a bunch of people, the automatic assumption for motives is usually "mentally ill". Brown shooters are almost always assumed to be terrorists.
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It probably was but I don't think it's as clear cut as some think. There is an element of "workplace shooting" that I don't think can be dismissed.
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The husband and wife who shot and killed 14 people in San Bernardino, Calif., this month used private online messages to express their commitment to jihad and to martyrdom in the years before the attack, but they did not make those communications on social media, the director of the F.B.I. said Wednesday.

“We can see from our investigation that in late 2013, before there is a physical meeting of these two people resulting in their engagement and then journey to the United States, they are communicating online, showing signs in that communication of their joint commitment to jihad and to martyrdom,” Mr. Comey said. “Those communications are direct, private messages. So far, in this investigation, we have found no evidence of posting on social media.”
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Old 02-24-17, 09:22 AM   #85
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At least one witness reportedly heard the suspect yell “get out of my country” shortly before shooting men he thought were Middle Eastern
I'm going to go with "yes" here. Racism, nativism and Islamophobia are all political viewpoints.
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Old 02-24-17, 09:27 AM   #86
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It happened at a Bar. I'm going with drunken redneck idiot.
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It happened at a Bar. I'm going with drunken redneck idiot.
Thank you for proving my point -- terrorism committed by white guys gets dismissed as something else.
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Old 02-24-17, 10:41 AM   #88
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Thank you for proving my point -- terrorism committed by white guys gets dismissed as something else.
When most people discuss terrorist attacks on this board, they are talking about State-Sponsored or Religious Terrorism. Please tell me which one this falls under.
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Old 02-24-17, 10:48 AM   #89
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I love that she read her full statement in Vietnamese and was only silenced when she switched to English. Her constituents got to hear her full statement. The senate probably thought it was all multi/culti awesome that she was speaking another language. And then BAM! She's shutting down some dead fuck celebrity who posed as a politician his whole life. Trump haters should love this.

Just say no to celebrity politicians.
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^ And they're going to let her speak on Monday.
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When most people discuss terrorist attacks on this board, they are talking about State-Sponsored or Religious Terrorism. Please tell me which one this falls under.
There you go again, doubling down on a definition of terrorism that's designed to include Muslims but exclude white guys. Sorry, no, I'm not playing this bullshit game. Any definition of terrorism that excludes the Baader-Meinhof Gang, Basque separatists, FALN, FARC, the Weather Underground and the Unabomber is fundamentally broken.
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Political stunt my ass, right back at you Elizabeth Warren.

Why hell she just changed my mind and convinced me that the US involvement in the bullshit Vietnam war was justified.

She reminds me of the Anti-Castro Cubans and their black & white political views.

Republican good, hate commies
Democrat bad, love commies

Wait a minute, wasn't it Jimmy Carter in 1979 who doubled the number of refugees allowed into the US from South East Asia even though the majority of the country was against it?

Political partisanship and agendas suck don't they.

Wait a minute, why is this in an 'Attacks on Minorities in Trump's America' thread?

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Old 02-24-17, 12:16 PM   #93
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There you go again, doubling down on a definition of terrorism that's designed to include Muslims but exclude white guys. Sorry, no, I'm not playing this bullshit game. Any definition of terrorism that excludes the Baader-Meinhof Gang, Basque separatists, FALN, FARC, the Weather Underground and the Unabomber is fundamentally broken.
Timothy McViegh was a terrorist and he's a white guy. Again, this happened at a bar. Logic dictates that alcohol may have played a part in this. I don't know why that's so hard for you to take into consideration.
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Timothy McViegh was a terrorist and he's a white guy. Again, this happened at a bar. Logic dictates that alcohol may have played a part in this. I don't know why that's so hard for you to take into consideration.
So alcohol precludes terrorism? He attacked people for daring to be brown in America. Whether alcohol helped him decide it was a good idea or not isn't relevant to the motives for the attack.

I don't become a racist when I'm drunk, do you?
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Timothy McViegh was a terrorist and he's a white guy. Again, this happened at a bar. Logic dictates that alcohol may have played a part in this. I don't know why that's so hard for you to take into consideration.
You claimed the incident in KC isn't terrorism because it wasn't religious or state-sponsored. McVeigh is neither of those things, either. You can't go moving the goalpost when it suits you.

Terrorism is violence against civilians for a political purpose. Period. When somebody attacks racial minorities while screaming, "Get outta my country," that's terrorism. It doesn't matter if the perpetrator is drunk or not. If the guy were a Muslim and shouted "Inshallah" before shooting, he'd be labeled a terrorist in a second.
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Old 02-24-17, 12:57 PM   #96
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So alcohol precludes terrorism? He attacked people for daring to be brown in America. Whether alcohol helped him decide it was a good idea or not isn't relevant to the motives for the attack.

I don't become a racist when I'm drunk, do you?
If this guy literally just walked up to the other two and shot them for no other reason than the fact that he thought they were middle eastern, than yes, I'd consider it an act of terrorism.

All I was suggesting is since this happened at a bar, maybe something else lead to it. Did it start over something else? Were words exchanged prior to the shooting.

Regardless of how it's defined, it's still an awful thing. That I think we can all agree upon.
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Wait a minute, why is this in an 'Attacks on Minorities in Trump's America' thread?
(1) She is a minority (2) she was removed with force and I could argue that it was also (3) an attack on her speech about the persecution of her race and family.

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(1) She is a minority (2) she was removed with force and I could argue that it was also (3) an attack on her speech about the persecution of her race and family.[/URL]
Yup, definitely a hate crime, I bet the perpetrators were Trump supporters.
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There was a mosque burning today in my neck of the woods:

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