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Old 03-24-16, 06:07 PM   #51
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2. If Jehovah was able to maintain the integrity of his word, we wouldn't have translation disagreements, nor would we have three completely separate religions with very different philosophies claiming to all be stemming from the same word.
This. So very this. If the Bible is God's Word, then God is a terrible messenger since he can't even get his own people to agree what it means. Why couldn't an omniscient, omnipotent God leave one clear message which everyone would agree on? Either he can't (in which case he is limited) or he won't (in which case he is an asshole - and don't give me that crap about election. If God made me and wants me to believe in Him, he'll let me know unequivocally that He is real. If he doesn't, then he doesn't want to save me, in which case He is evil. Why create a sentient being only to intentionally torture that being for eternity?)

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3. My point is that since Jehovah already changed his covenant and his message once, he might do it again, but Christians wouldn't be receptive to the new message, because they've been told by people who claim to speak for Jehovah that no new messages are forthcoming. Again, the Jews were told by people who claimed to speak for Jehovah that no new messages were forthcoming either, but Christians claim a new message was in fact delivered. Muslims also claim that a new message was delivered. So either Jehovah has delivered none (because he's imaginary), one, two, or three different messages to different people at different times, often with wildly conflicting content. And then there's groups like the Baha'i who believe that all different religions are just manifestations of a singular god that we cannot comprehend in its fullness, so maybe there are all new messages coming in that we aren't receptive to.

In other words, just because someone claiming to speak for your god says their chosen religion is the last and final one forever and goodnight, doesn't mean that's actually so.
Yeah, that's the religious pluralism thing. Maybe we are incapable of understanding the nature of the creator (in which case, why try) and there are multiple ways to try to get at the subject.
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Old 03-24-16, 06:35 PM   #52
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Another familiar tune whose later stanzas are less well-known:

1 O beautiful for spacious skies,
for amber waves of grain;
for purple mountain majesties
above the fruited plain!
America! America! God shed his grace on thee,
and crown thy good with brotherhood
from sea to shining sea.

2 O beautiful for heroes proved
in liberating strife,
who more than self their country loved,
and mercy more than life!
America! America! May God thy gold refine,
till all success be nobleness,
and every gain divine.

3 O beautiful for patriot dream
that sees beyond the years
thine alabaster cities gleam,
undimmed by human tears!
America! America! God mend thine every flaw,
confirm thy soul in self-control,
thy liberty in law.
Is it possible to write a song about this country that doesn't involve war?
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Old 03-24-16, 06:35 PM   #53
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I should point out that not only are there three wildly differing religions stemming from the supposed same source (Jehovah), but there are multiple sects within each religion that offer wildly differing interpretations of that religion.
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Old 03-24-16, 07:18 PM   #54
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Jews for Jesus is a fringe movement within Judaism that's given no credence by any practicing Jew.
Ah...so "no true Jew...."
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Old 03-24-16, 07:21 PM   #55
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Ah...so "no true Jew...."
I actually didn't say they weren't Jewish. I just said their ideas, specifically that Jesus was the messiah and we rejected him, aren't given credence by the rest of the Jewish community. If they want to call themselves Jews, it's no skin off my nose.
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Old 03-24-16, 07:25 PM   #56
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Is it possible to write a song about this country that doesn't involve war?
I know, right? Musicians and their war-mongering ways! [shakes fist]
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Old 03-24-16, 09:43 PM   #57
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Yeah, even when I was more of a believer I never understood why there was an emphasis on Homosexuality...until I realized it was the people I had teaching me religion that emphasized it a some sort of special sin.
Well, sexual sins are singled out in scripture, since they are both physical and spiritual. But yeah, homosexual behavior isn't looked at as anything special, it's included in a larger list of sinful practices.
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Old 03-24-16, 09:56 PM   #58
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Is it possible to write a song about this country that doesn't involve war?
"I will have war!" Lol.

What are everyone's Christian CCM listening experiences?

I remember going to the Christian Family stores in the early 90's... I went through the Michael W Smith, Amy Grant, Carmen phase for a few yrs. Found Gospel Gangstas which I thought was awesome since they used the N-word, lol.

Early 2000's got into POD, Switchfoot, Blindside (saw em all in concert too). A slight detour w Dogwood, Stavesacre, Tourniquet, Living Sacrifice...but those didn't stick. I like Demon Hunter but haven't listened to much metal in the last few yrs. Switchfoot has stood the test of time for me... all around enjoyable music.
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Old 03-24-16, 10:03 PM   #59
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What are everyone's Christian CCM listening experiences?
Friends have got me into Anberlin & Flyleaf (sorry to see their awesome lead singer leave the band). And Stryper is back together and releasing songs that are better than their 80's make-up era material. It's great that some of these newer bands now hold up when compared to other genres. Wasn't always the case, including back when Stryper was trying to be the Christian Motley Crue, and often failed.
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Old 03-25-16, 12:38 AM   #60
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What are everyone's Christian CCM listening experiences?
I'm a superfan of Jarrod Lawson - he's like D'Angelo meets Lewis Taylor mixed with Blaze and Masters at Work's more soulful and gospel-y moments. Pure listening bliss.
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Old 03-25-16, 07:05 AM   #61
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What are everyone's Christian CCM listening experiences?
Mine are pretty extensive. Went all in on CCM starting in the late 70s and have thousands of CDs and went to a ton of concerts. I still listened to and bought non-Christian stuff and never bought CCM for the 'message' or lyrics. To be honest, I never listen to the actual words of songs. Well, I appreciate singing for the tonal or rhythmic qualities, but just don't pay attention to the actual words.

My two mainstays the past 30+ years are the 77s and guitarist Phil Keaggy. I think I own 500 CDs featuring one or the other. If forced to only listen to one band the rest of my life, either would easily suffice.

Even in my current and past years of dedicated atheism, I mainly listen to them and other 'Christian' groups like Switchfoot, Petra, POD, and Steve Taylor.
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Is it possible to write a song about this country that doesn't involve war?
Woody Guthrie did ("This Land Is Your Land")
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Simon & Garfunkel's "America"
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Old 03-25-16, 12:01 PM   #64
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Old 03-25-16, 01:02 PM   #65
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Why does God have such an issue with Homosexuality?
This guy sure isn't a fan of homosexuals but appears he has all the answers. Maybe you can contact him. I am sure he has his god on speed dial.





Several candidates for president (including Cruz) attended this same event where he was saying these things back in November.

Another question would be why the christian god has such an obsession with male foreskin.
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Old 03-25-16, 01:09 PM   #66
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The Jewish god has an obsession with the male foreskin.
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The Jewish god has an obsession with the male foreskin.
Is the Jewish god and the Christian god the same? I get confused.

I know you get in trouble if you say the Muslim god and the Christian god are the same. Though I know many have said that on both sides.

If it gets this confusing over these three gods, what about the other thousands of current gods out there?
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Is the Jewish god and the Christian god the same? I get confused.

I know you get in trouble if you say the Muslim god and the Christian god are the same. Though I know many have said that on both sides.

If it gets this confusing over these three gods, what about the other thousands of current gods out there?
Get ready for a lecture about how the Christian Trinitarian God is the true God.
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Old 03-25-16, 01:36 PM   #69
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It was a serious question about the foreskin obsession though. I re-read the book of Genesis recently and it was bizarre how much it came up (no pun intended).
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Get ready for a lecture about how the Christian Trinitarian God is the true God.
And how none of them are the God of Abraham despite all the history that says otherwise.

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Indeed, all who desire to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted.

2 Timothy 3:12
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Indeed, all who desire to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted.

2 Timothy 3:12
Here's an idea for Christians: stop playing the victim card. You're not being persecuted by someone not believing the same you do.
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Indeed, all who desire to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted.

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Here's an idea for Christians: stop playing the victim card. You're not being persecuted by someone not believing the same you do.
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Get ready for a lecture about how the Christian Trinitarian God is the true God.
All set.

Go to it!
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Old 03-25-16, 05:44 PM   #75
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It says a lot that a thread established primarily for Christians to exchange ideas (along with questions from non-Christians curious to learn firsthand) keeps getting sidetracked by those who mistake this thread for the "Christian-bashing thread" that has been around for quite a while.

One would think that the other thread would be sufficient if all one wants to do is mock & ridicule. It's reminiscient of the entertainment threads in which some posters keep (repeatedly) popping up to say how much they hate a particular band, show, author.

The common response in those threads is annoyance from the people who do enjoy the topic and would like to have a civil discussion. If the thread-crappers there wanted to ask why the fans like the topic in question or something along those lines, the fans in those threads probably wouldn't mind. But when the only reason for posting in a thread is to crash the party...especially when other threads already exist for the express purpose of critical comments...it does make one wonder about motivations and character.

At least, that's how it works in other threads.
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