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Old 12-09-15, 12:47 AM   #51
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It's clear that American politics have become increasingly divisive since the '80s, with the Republicans trying to impeach Clinton over something that virtually no one outside of Washington actually cared about (and something most members of Congress were also doing), but I think Bush's and Obama's presidencies have really escalated it. There were plenty of criticisms on the right of Clinton, and plenty from the left of Reagan, but it seemed like the opposing side still had at least the appearance of respect. With Bush, the veneer was ripped off, and that's continued with Obama.
I think it started with the confluence of two things: the election of Clinton in 1992 and Rush Limbaugh. And the Branch Davidians really thre fuel on the fire, so to speak.

Limbaugh and his talk radio brethren were able to tap into and cultivate a particular kind of rage that has continued to this day. They were able to turn certain kinds of garden-variety conservatives into a raging paranoid mob. It is no coincidence that we saw a rise in domestic terrorism under the Clinton administration: Oklahoma City in 1995, the first abortion doctor was murdered in 1993, the Olympic bombing in 1996, etc.
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Old 12-09-15, 12:56 AM   #52
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I didn't like Olbermann and have said so in many discussions on news/politics, some of it on this forum.
Okay, but note that Olbermann is still allowed into polite company, while Ralph Peters will never be (survivalists' conventions don't count).

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As far as the Bush insults go, at the time I also used those as examples of how Obama being visually portrayed as Hitler was similar to how people were portraying George W. Bush during his administration.
Sadly, I think we probably have to get used to whomever is president being compared to Hitler. Pretty much the only rhetorical tool available to a certain type of person, which is also the type of person most likely to carry around a placard.

But maybe we're just being ahistorical about this. Here's Harper's Weekly on Lincoln:

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Filthy Story-Teller, Despot, Liar, Thief, Braggart, Buffoon, Usurper, Monster, Ignoramus Abe, Old Scoundrel, Perjurer, Robber, Swindler, Tyrant, Field-Butcher, Land-Pirate.
There used to be a lot like this, some of it even worse. (Worse than "land-pirate"??? Yep.)
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Old 12-09-15, 01:19 AM   #53
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For all the invective Harper's Weekly threw at Lincoln, at least they didn't compare him to Hitler.
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Old 12-09-15, 01:23 AM   #54
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But maybe we're just being ahistorical about this. Here's Harper's Weekly on Lincoln:



There used to be a lot like this, some of it even worse. (Worse than "land-pirate"??? Yep.)
My wife has a scrapbook someone made of newspaper clippings from the '30s and '40s. It's fascinating to look at the headlines and the political cartoons. Plenty of outrageous rhetoric going on. However, I think there was a period from the '50s through the '70s at least where it seemed like the two major parties were more willing to work together than they are now. I'm sure these things go in cycles, as it will get to the point where things get SO divisive that people will finally get sick of it, and then we'll slowly build up to this point again.
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Old 12-09-15, 01:25 AM   #55
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Okay, but note that Olbermann is still allowed into polite company, while Ralph Peters will never be (survivalists' conventions don't count).
Is Peters' social and televised fate already assured? I don't know that much information about the situation. I don't care about polite company but Olbermann lost his MSNBC show because of his increased antics, right? I couldn't take the guy seriously and the two parodies of him that far off in the way he acts.

The Stacey Dash thing doesn't look as bad. Actually watching it she says it almost completely before catching herself. I saw a clip where she says her 11 year old called Obama "Gollum" and how that was "pretty clever for an 11 year old."
These people like Dash come across as having juvenile mentalities and attitudes, with the cliquish behavior, not doing anything to criticize the group and hurling insults.
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Old 12-09-15, 01:35 AM   #56
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My wife has a scrapbook someone made of newspaper clippings from the '30s and '40s.
Let me just thank you again for marrying my grandmother. I haven't seen her this happy in a long time.
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Old 12-09-15, 01:40 AM   #57
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Olbermann lost his MSNBC show because of his increased antics, right?
Not sure, but I suspect that his show started bleeding viewers after Bush was no longer around to rail at.

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The Stacey Dash thing doesn't look as bad.
No. No, it doesn't.

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I saw a clip where she says her 11 year old called Obama "Gollum" and how that was "pretty clever for an 11 year old."

Hey now! Words can hurt!
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Old 12-09-15, 02:10 AM   #58
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For all the invective Harper's Weekly threw at Lincoln, at least they didn't compare him to Hitler.
Only because their editors weren't familiar with Nostradamus (or were Francophobes).

And H.G. Wells wasn't born until the year after Lincoln's death, so he was no help to them, either.
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Old 12-09-15, 02:15 AM   #59
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The only two reasons why Fox News has such high ratings.
Wait. You mean that's not Photoshopped??
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Old 12-09-15, 07:15 AM   #60
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Wait. You mean that's not Photoshopped??
Yeah. We need more info. I might have to start watching Fox Business.
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Old 12-09-15, 07:18 AM   #61
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WOW....3 pages already and classicman2 has not come in and try to derail the thread by bringing up MSNBC
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Old 12-09-15, 07:39 AM   #62
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Yeah, I took care of that part.
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Old 12-09-15, 07:56 AM   #63
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Yeah. We need more info. I might have to start watching Fox Business.
Her name is Liz Claman and, while the above image is photoshopped, the proportions are about right. Claman is kind of stacked.
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Old 12-09-15, 10:42 AM   #64
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And she's been married/divorced 3 times. So much for that whole sanctity of marriage bit.


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The Business Standard News has received a leaked email from an insider close to FOX News pundit Stacey Dash. In the email, Dash reveals she has not only changed her political affiliations, but also her dating habits.

“I’m done with dating brothers,” Dash says in the email. “Brothers might be packing, but most of them don’t have two pennies to rub together. White boys have some big wallets and they got good credit too.”
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Old 12-09-15, 10:55 AM   #65
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“I’m done with dating brothers,” Dash says in the email. “Brothers might be packing, but most of them don’t have two pennies to rub together. White boys have some big wallets and they got good credit too.”
I thought she was a self-made, independent strong female? Wrong on that, too.
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Old 12-09-15, 11:11 AM   #66
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She's singing a song.
She prefers a high credit score,
And not a big dong.
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Old 12-09-15, 11:17 AM   #67
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WOW....3 pages already and classicman2 has not come in and try to derail the thread by bringing up MSNBC
Classicman is real? I thought stories of him were forum legends used to scare the newbies.
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Old 12-09-15, 11:26 AM   #68
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Classicman is real? I thought stories of him were forum legends used to scare the newbies.
Of course Classicman is fake. Everyone knows that. But classicman2 lurks in dark and forgotten corners of the forum. Sometimes, late at night, if you enter Book Talk by mistake, you'll find him there talking to himself about the glorious presidency of Millard Filmore.
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Old 12-09-15, 11:51 AM   #69
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She's singing a song.
She prefers a high credit score,
And not a big dong.
I was wondering whether "packing" meant dick or glock.
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Old 12-09-15, 01:38 PM   #70
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Old 12-09-15, 01:40 PM   #71
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I thought she was a self-made, independent strong female? Wrong on that, too.
That story was a fake. Business Standard News (BS News) is a satire site.

http://bizstandardnews.com/2015/08/1...than-brothers/
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Old 12-09-15, 02:11 PM   #72
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Some great subtitling there, but Harrison Ford is just making the sound of a dog.

[Woof.]
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I was wondering whether "packing" meant dick or glock.
That's a good point. Ooops.
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I thought she was a self-made, independent strong female? Wrong on that, too.
Despite the fact that it was indeed a fake quote, your insinuation does kind of buck actual trends. Women who are educated and financially-independent overwhelmingly seek out males who are the same. Men are increasingly becoming the same way, much more so than just a couple of decades ago. I would call that pragmatism, not a lack of "strength".

This trend does have some pretty substantially sociological impacts. If nothing else, it is hastening income inequality.
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Her name is Liz Claman and, while the above image is photoshopped, the proportions are about right. Claman is kind of stacked.
Whew. I was beginning to think my internet cynicism wasn't functioning properly.
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