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Old 07-11-17, 12:28 AM   #801
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I think it has more to do with how some conservatives view college universities as being staffed by faculty who are politically biased and left leaning.
(Quite rightly).

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Old 07-11-17, 12:38 AM   #802
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I like McCartney.

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When you were young and your heart was an empty book
Parents filled it with religious shit
(You know they did)
(You know they did)
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Old 08-25-17, 09:24 PM   #803
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At Ryerson University in Canada, when a student wanted to write a paper to debunk the gender wage gap, her sociology professor inisisted that the gap was real, and told her that she was not allowed to use government data to show that the gap did not exist:


http://www.torontosun.com/2017/03/09...inist-journals

Ryerson instructor tells student to only rely on feminist journals

March 9, 2017



TORONTO - A Ryerson University student who wanted to write a paper on the “myth” of the male-female wage gap was told by her prof that not only was she wrong, she should only rely on feminist journals for her assignment instead of business sources which “blame women,” her sister says.

Josephine Mathias, 21, a fourth-year political science student at University of Toronto, took to YouTube Wednesday to criticize the assignment given her twin Jane for a sociology class.

“I mean it’s easy to prove a point when you remove all other sources,” Josephine said Thursday. “If she just gives you the ones that...the professor agrees with, then that’s basically brainwashing. It’s indoctrination.

After Jane sent an email describing her intention to write about the wag gap, her instructor replied that her premise was wrong, Josephine said.

“Perhaps you want to write your paper on the glass ceiling. You need to look at feminist sources on this issue...Do NOT use business sources. They blame women. The reality is patriarchy,” says the instructor’s email, posted online.


In a copy of the assignment provided to the Toronto Sun by Josephine, the instructor also notes that Ontario and Canada government websites and Statistics Canada will not be considered scholarly sources.

“Government websites state government policy that is devoid of analysis, and usually reproduces mainstream stereotypes, assumptions and misconceptions,” the assignment says.


Although the video refers to a professor, the person is listed on the Ryerson website as an instructor.

She did not respond to a Toronto Sun request for comment, and Ryerson University declined to comment on the video.

Jane said in an email that she initially questioned her own research after the instructor’s email, but is now happy to have the support of those who have spoken up in opposition.

“There are other students in that class who don’t have that privilege and are filled with misinformation,” Jane said. “It’s hurtful towards them in the long run.”

The instructor says the wage gap exists, but works through the “glass ceiling.”

Josephine said the facts do not support the wage gap myth, noting in her YouTube video that it is illegal to pay women less than men for the same work and differences come about as a result of education and career choices as well as hours of work.

Impressionable students should be encouraged to use credible business sources and statistics, but instead are being sent out into the real world without a realistic point of view, she said.

“They have no facts. They have no tangible explanations or solutions for anything,” Josephine said. “All the sources or all the information they know comes from feminist literature that’s not even correct.”

Josephine has tackled a number of controversial topics in her YouTube videos because she wants to show that a person “can be liberal and still be against political correctness and pro free speech.”

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Old 09-19-17, 03:15 AM   #804
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Don't see a thread for "free expression on campuses, so guess this high school story related to the topic fits best here. It's about a high school teacher who forbade her students to wear Trump tee-shirts in class because she equates that with wearing swastikas.

A protest has been organized to demand her dismissal.

Article from Atlanta Journal-Constitution dated 9/18/17:

http://www.ajc.com/news/local/protes...FNIiWtks2AVqI/
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Old 09-19-17, 03:40 AM   #805
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Another high school story from a few months back that may have been posted although I didn't notice it if it was.

This one is about a summer reading list for an AP government class in which students were required to read one book from a list that contained books authored almost entirely by conservative writers. Due to protests from some parents, the reading list was cancelled (although superintendent says the list was pulled due to the teacher's not following proper procedure of submitting list for approval).

Article: http://www.al.com/news/mobile/index....6/post_95.html
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Old 09-19-17, 04:01 AM   #806
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American Library Association's lists of Top Ten Most Challenged Books in public and school libraries makes for interesting reading. Here's a link listing top ten for each year from 2016 back to 2001.

http://www.ala.org/advocacy/bbooks/f...gedbooks/top10

One thing of particular interest is to note the shift from "classic" books (Huckleberry Finn, Of Mice and Men, Brave New World) and "contemporary classics" (Roll of Thunder, Chocolate War, Bridge to Teribithia) to nearly all contemporary books released within the past few years or within the listing year (Harry Potter series, Hunger Games, and now many currently-popular titles).

Some exceptions persist, of course. In 2015, the Holy Bible made the list at #6.
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One thing of particular interest is to note the shift from "classic" books (Huckleberry Finn, Of Mice and Men, Brave New World) and "contemporary classics" (Roll of Thunder, Chocolate War, Bridge to Teribithia) to nearly all contemporary books released within the past few years or within the listing year (Harry Potter series, Hunger Games, and now many currently-popular titles).
The thing to note is the books are being challenged mainly by bigots:

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This One Summer written by Mariko Tamaki and illustrated by Jillian Tamaki
Reasons: challenged because it includes LGBT characters, drug use and profanity, and it was considered sexually explicit with mature themes
Drama written and illustrated by Raina Telgemeier
Reasons: challenged because it includes LGBT characters, was deemed sexually explicit, and was considered to have an offensive political viewpoint
George written by Alex Gino
Reasons: challenged because it includes a transgender child, and the “sexuality was not appropriate at elementary levels”
I Am Jazz written by Jessica Herthel and Jazz Jennings, and illustrated by Shelagh McNicholas
Reasons: challenged because it portrays a transgender child and because of language, sex education, and offensive viewpoints
Two Boys Kissing written by David Levithan
Reasons: challenged because its cover has an image of two boys kissing, and it was considered to include sexually explicit LGBT content
Looking for Alaska written by John Green
Reasons: challenged for a sexually explicit scene that may lead a student to “sexual experimentation”
Big Hard Sex Criminals written by Matt Fraction and illustrated by Chip Zdarsky
Reason: challenged because it was considered sexually explicit
Make Something Up: Stories You Can’t Unread written by Chuck Palahniuk
Reasons: challenged for profanity, sexual explicitness, and being “disgusting and all around offensive”
Little Bill (series) written by Bill Cosby and and illustrated by Varnette P. Honeywood
Reason: challenged because of criminal sexual allegations against the author
Eleanor & Park written by Rainbow Rowell
Reason: challenged for offensive language
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The thing to note is the books are being challenged mainly by bigots:
What a shocker.
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Old 09-19-17, 12:09 PM   #809
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but, of course.
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Big Hard Sex Criminals written by Matt Fraction and illustrated by Chip Zdarsky
Reason: challenged because it was considered sexually explicit


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It's the hardcover collection of a comic book called Sex Criminals. I've read a bit of it. And, yes, it is sexually explicit.
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Don't see a thread for "free expression on campuses, so guess this high school story related to the topic fits best here. It's about a high school teacher who forbade her students to wear Trump tee-shirts in class because she equates that with wearing swastikas.

A protest has been organized to demand her dismissal.

Article from Atlanta Journal-Constitution dated 9/18/17:

http://www.ajc.com/news/local/protes...FNIiWtks2AVqI/
Sean O'Hara already addressed this on the last page. His words:
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If he wore a KKK shirt or one with a swastika on it, would you feel the same way? Because as far as I'm concerned, that's what Trump represents.
Maybe he IS that teacher.
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Sean O'Hara already addressed this on the last page. His words:

Maybe he IS that teacher.
Possible, but only if he is in the process of transitioning.
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The goddamn liberals hate free speech so much that they blocked Milo's free speech week!
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No, wait... it's just that Milo and his organizers are fucking dumb as shit and don't know how to file paperwork for confirming guests and booking venues.
http://www.npr.org/2017/09/22/552427...causing-a-stir

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"Free Speech Week," a four-day, right-wing rally at the University of California, Berkeley, has been called off, student organizers of the event tell member station KQED.

The event fell apart after the co-organizers — The Berkeley Patriot, an online publication, and Yiannopoulos — failed to confirm the guest list and book multiple indoor venues on campus.
what a joke these people are
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The goddamn liberals hate free speech so much that they blocked Milo's free speech week!
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No, wait... it's just that Milo and his organizers are fucking dumb as shit and don't know how to file paperwork for confirming guests and booking venues.
http://www.npr.org/2017/09/22/552427...causing-a-stir



what a joke these people are

If lack of proper paperwork is the real reason for the cancellation, then they can just reschedule at a future date.

When Milo gives the press conference to explain why his speech was cancelled, he should just go ahead and give the speech at the press conference. Way more cameras, way more media attention.
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When Milo gives the press conference to explain why his speech was cancelled,
Calling it now: He'll twist the story to blame liberals, political correctness, and maybe cultural marxism, deflecting from the FACT that he and his co-organizers were too inept to get their shit together like every other event organizer at every other university.
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*sad trombone*

Right-wing Berkeley ‘Free Speech Week’ lasted under 20 minutes — but that was the plan all along
http://www.rawstory.com/2017/09/righ...all-along/amp/

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After months of promotion, the right-wing “Free Speech Week” at the University of California at Berkeley completely fizzled. Now, newly uncovered emails suggest that organizers planned for the event to fail “from the get-go."

Yiannopoulos, said CBS, “blew kisses, posed for selfies and led a rendition of ‘The Star Spangled Banner’ before leaving. The appearance lasted less than a half hour before the crowds dispersed.”

On Saturday morning, Wintrich told Mogulof, “It was known that they didn’t intend to actually go through with it last week, and completely decided on Wednesday.”

“Wait, whoah, hold on a second,” replied Mogulof. “What, exactly, are you saying? What were you told by MILO Inc? Was it a set-up from the get-go?”

“Yes,” Wintrich replied.
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