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Old 05-14-17, 01:05 PM   #751
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In a statement Joseph Castro, president of California State University, Fresno, said the school's policy on free speech is clear.

"Free speech on campus is not limited to a 'free speech zone' or any other narrowly defined area," he said. "Those disagreeing with the students' message have a right to their own speech, but they do not have the right to erase or stifle someone else's speech under the guise of their own right to free speech."
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My thought: free expression discourse (or activism) on college campuses is good to help kickstart young adults' thought processes. Similar to how you're probably never going to use Algebra in real life, but it encourages critical thinking.

I don't have a problem with it's existence. But I take as much from that video's discourse, as I take from watching a dog chase its tail. I can't think of a single similar 'college activism' video that left me enlightened. I don't learn anything from someone who chalks out pro-life messages on a sidewalk.
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Old 05-14-17, 02:23 PM   #753
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I don't have a problem with it's existence. But I take as much from that video's discourse, as I take from watching a dog chase its tail. I can't think of a single similar 'college activism' video that left me enlightened. I don't learn anything from someone who chalks out pro-life messages on a sidewalk.
It appears the students will be "enlightening" the professor.

They are suing over the literal erasure of free speech.

"The crux of this case is a very simple message. Public university professors should be encouraging free speech," said the lead attorney "not erasing it from existence. You will be held accountable."
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Anything to pass the time, I suppose. Shame those kids aren't off learning a skill. The world needs more people who know what they're doing. Less rhetorical college activism and more doctors, mechanics, tradesmen, etc.
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Old 05-27-17, 01:22 PM   #755
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Professor objects to no white people on campus demand

Bret Weinstein - Iím a deeply progressive person. Iím troubled by what this implies about the current state of the left.Ē



Students are demanding the firing of the professor who objected to asking whites to leave campus.
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Old 05-28-17, 10:56 AM   #756
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In a statement Joseph Castro, president of California State University, Fresno, said the school's policy on free speech is clear.

"Free speech on campus is not limited to a 'free speech zone' or any other narrowly defined area," he said. "Those disagreeing with the students' message have a right to their own speech, but they do not have the right to erase or stifle someone else's speech under the guise of their own right to free speech."
This video is such a bummer. I've got no problem with abortion, but I'm certainly not on that guy's side. What a jerk. He doesn't look like faculty, he looks like a d-bag in an NFL tshirt. And he's going out of his way to be mean to students, and he's encouraging other students to be mean to one another. You've got Roe v Wade on your side and this is how you chose to treat the opposition?

And to top it all off he's embarrassingly wrong. Free speech is not confined to some "zone".
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This happened at a high school, but this seems to be a more appropriate place to put it than the "Presidency" or "media bias" threads. It's gotten some attention on various news sites; evidently, a yearbook adviser had pro-Trump messages removed from student photos (clothing) and quotations. The adviser has been suspended while the incident is being investigated; the superintendent says that there is no policy disallowing political speech in yearbook entries, and other students' quotes and advocacy were allowed.

Some of the parents were pretty upset; one is demanding that the yearbooks be reprinted at the school's expense.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/teacher-s...163214956.html

Some schools have yearbook rules that eliminate the photo problem (no slogans or ads permitted on clothing), but that wouldn't address the quotations.
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Let the little fascist larva quote Trump. Twenty years from now no one will want to be associated with the Trumpenfuehrer, and If any of them ever get famous, the yearbooks will surface and ruin them. It'll be beautiful.
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Let the little fascist larva quote Trump. Twenty years from now no one will want to be associated with the Trumpenfuehrer, and If any of them ever get famous, the yearbooks will surface and ruin them. It'll be beautiful.
Wow, how mindblowingly tolerant.
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Wow, how mindblowingly tolerant.
I mean ... yeah, it is. He's tolerating these kids who think their support of Trump is a badge of honor. He's predicting they'll regret it and delighting in that prediction, but saying it's their mistake to make. Seems pretty tolerant to me. Why do you disagree (assuming I'm reading your sarcasm accurately)?
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I mean ... yeah, it is. He's tolerating these kids who think their support of Trump is a badge of honor. He's predicting they'll regret it and delighting in that prediction, but saying it's their mistake to make. Seems pretty tolerant to me. Why do you disagree (assuming I'm reading your sarcasm accurately)?
He's taking the stance of high school students...or, as he calls them, "little fascist larva"...and "delighting" in the idea that their high school mistake will ruin their future careers.

He could have said that he hoped that civil discourse and reasoned debate would convince them of the errors of their ways and that they would be converted to his worldview. He could have said that their immaturity and lack of world experience might be overcome later. He could have said that he hoped they would become allies for their sake and his.

His statement makes it appear that he would rather see them punished in later adult life for a mistake they make now.

If that's what you call "tolerance," it seems to be a pretty cruel version of it.

I suppose that it does appear more tolerant than rounding them up and sending them to re-education camps reciting from a little red book, if we're being relative about things.
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Old 06-13-17, 04:37 PM   #762
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Let the little fascist larva quote Trump. Twenty years from now no one will want to be associated with the Trumpenfuehrer, and If any of them ever get famous, the yearbooks will surface and ruin them. It'll be beautiful.
That's Trump mentality. The other side deserves a "you're fired" because they dare to disagree. The fact that you don't see this, as Yoda would say, is why you fail.
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I mean ... yeah, it is. He's tolerating these kids who think their support of Trump is a badge of honor. He's predicting they'll regret it and delighting in that prediction, but saying it's their mistake to make. Seems pretty tolerant to me. Why do you disagree (assuming I'm reading your sarcasm accurately)?
Let's flip it around... I call a bunch of gay men "flaming homos". You call me intolerant. I counter by saying that I'm tolerating a bunch of homosexuals who think their gayness is a badge of honor. I'm predicting they'll regret their flamboyance, delighting in that prediction, but saying it is their mistake to make. Still sound tolerant to you? Doesn't to me, in either instance.
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I suppose that it does appear more tolerant than rounding them up and sending them to re-education camps reciting from a little red book, if we're being relative about things.
Why are we talking about Mike Pence now?
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Let's flip it around... I call a bunch of gay men "flaming homos". You call me intolerant. I counter by saying that I'm tolerating a bunch of homosexuals who think their gayness is a badge of honor. I'm predicting they'll regret their flamboyance, delighting in that prediction, but saying it is their mistake to make. Still sound tolerant to you? Doesn't to me, in either instance.
Yeah and maybe one day they'll be fired for being gay. That would be rad.
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Let's flip it around... I call a bunch of gay men "flaming homos". You call me intolerant. I counter by saying that I'm tolerating a bunch of homosexuals who think their gayness is a badge of honor. I'm predicting they'll regret their flamboyance, delighting in that prediction, but saying it is their mistake to make. Still sound tolerant to you? Doesn't to me, in either instance.
You make a good point. I suppose that tolerance is treated differently when it comes to political views as compared to more social aspects of identity (race, sexuality, national origin, etc.) -- perhaps because one can disagree with a view, but one can't really disagree with an identity? But you've given me something to think about.
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You make a good point. I suppose that tolerance is treated differently when it comes to political views as compared to more social aspects of identity (race, sexuality, national origin, etc.) -- perhaps because one can disagree with a view, but one can't really disagree with an identity? But you've given me something to think about.
Thanks, I truly appreciate that response.
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