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Old 11-20-15, 05:54 PM   #51
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Old 11-20-15, 06:01 PM   #53
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Well there's a study which says more Millennials would drive off a cliff if their iPod or GPS told them to.

May not be enough Mills around to censor anyone in a few years.
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Old 11-20-15, 06:09 PM   #54
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For the difference age groups, what is the white vs non-white breakdown?
That is, are the millennials against free speech simply because there are more non-whites in the group?
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Old 11-20-15, 06:19 PM   #55
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Old 11-20-15, 06:26 PM   #56
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For the difference age groups, what is the white vs non-white breakdown?
The publicly available report does not seem to specify those details.
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I never saw a single protest when I was in college (97-2001) My school was just interested in sex and booze
Same here. I was in college in the "political correctness" era (remember the David Spade film PCU?) and never saw any of it.

Lot of going to class, indiscriminate sex, and exteme substance abuse as well. I suppose that, on paper, there might have been rampant political correctness, but in practice I didn't see any of it. Though I lived off-campus and didn't really involve myself in "college life."

I don't remember any kind of protests... I think that once there some people picketing some kind of minor issue but I can't remember what it was. The only civil disobedience I remember was kids paying parking fines with sacks of pennies. (There weren't enough parking spaces for students, so they would end up parking in the grass or other restricted areas and the campus fuzz would issue parking tickets. My simple workaround was to not put a student sticker on my car and use the "guest" parking areas.)
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Old 11-20-15, 06:51 PM   #58
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I went to college during the same period. PCU was frequent viewing. My favorite protest that would occur annually was the Armenian student group would want to have an Armenian Genocide day of recognition and the Muslim student group would protest them and denounce the genocide as a lie. Good times. I think I've posted that one before. This was pre-911 and I wonder if the Muslim students still have the balls to do that anymore.

I also remember the feminists had an anti-porn protest where they whacked passers by with rolled up porn magazines.
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It's now racist to protest against racism if you're white and don't first get permission from minorities.
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Racists cluelessly commenting on people confronting racism.....How Otter.
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Old 11-22-15, 07:58 AM   #64
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...opriation.html

University's free yoga class is shut down over 'cultural appropriation' fears after complaints from 'social justice warriors'

Jennifer Scharf said she was notified in September that the yoga program at University of Ottawa would be suspended

Scharf has been offering the weekly yoga class free of charge since 2008

Staff from Center for Student with Disabilities said while 'yoga is great' there are 'cultural issues of implication involved in the practice'

November 22, 2015

A free yoga class has been suspended after student leaders at a Canadian university are concerned the practice of it could be seen as 'cultural appropriation'.

Jennifer Scharf, who has been offering the weekly yoga class at the University of Ottawa campus for seven years, said she was notified in September that the program was being ended.

In an email from the Center for Students with Disabilities, staff wrote that while yoga is 'accessible and great for students', there are 'cultural issues of implication involved in the practice', the Ottawa Sun reported.

'I'm not pretending to be some enlightened yogi master, and the point [of the program] isn't to educate people on the finer points of the ancient yogi scripture,' she told the Ottawa Sun.

'The point is to get people to have higher physical awareness for their own physical health and enjoyment.'

The university's Student Federation, which operates the center, had initially approached Scharf in 2008 about providing yoga instruction to students, including those with disabilities, according to the Ottawa Sun.

Around 60 university students participated in the program.

The center's staff said that yoga has been under 'a lot of controversy lately' as a result of how it is being practiced and which cultures those practices are 'being taken from,' according to the Ottawa Sun.

Staff from the center also expressed that many of those cultures 'experienced oppression, cultural genocide and Diasporas due to colonialism and western supremacy'.

The center official went on to say that 'we need to be mindful of this and how we express ourselves while practicing yoga'.


Scharf, who works as a yoga teacher at the Ramas Lotus Center, said the concept of cultural appropriation does not apply in this case.

She told the Ottawa Sun that the complaint that caused the program to come to an end came from a 'social justice warrior' with 'fainting heart ideologies' in search of a controversial issue that would attract public attention.

Scharf claimed people are just searching for a reason to be offended by anything they can find, according to the website.

'There's a real divide between reasonable people and those people just looking to jump on a bandwagon,' she said.

'And unfortunately, it ends up with good people getting punished for doing good things.'

Romeo Ahimakin, acting student federation president, dismissed the claim that the decision to suspend the program came as a result of a complaint.

Ahimakin said the student federation had placed the yoga program on hiatus while they worked with students to improve it and make it 'more inclusive to certain groups of people that feel left out in yoga-like spaces', according to the Ottawa Sun.

'We are trying to have those sessions done in a way in which students aware of where the spiritual and cultural aspects come from, so that these sessions are done in a respectful manner,' Ahimakin said.

Scharf suggested that she would be willing to change the name of the program from yoga to 'mindful stretching' as a compromise.

The staff from the center debated re-branding the program before eventually making the decision to suspend the program, according to the Ottawa Sun.

One student federation official, Julie Seguin, said labeling the center's yoga program as cultural appropriation is 'questionable' and 'debatable'.
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Minnesota students & Diversity Director object to 9/11 moment of silence resolution since such a resolution promotes Islamophobia.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...o-muslims.html


At-large MSA representative and Director of Diversity and Inclusion David Algadi voiced severe criticism of the resolution. He also made sure to emphasize 9/11’s status as a national tragedy in his response.

“The passing of this resolution might make a space that is unsafe for students on campus even more unsafe,” said Algadi. “Islamophobia and racism fueled through that are alive and well.”
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Old 11-23-15, 12:49 PM   #66
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Professors at the University of California-Merced told students that this guy stabbed innocent people due to sexism, even though his actual motive was radical Islam:


http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...ents-understa/

UC Merced holds ‘teach-in’ to help students understand stabbing attacker Faisal Mohammad

November 19, 2015

Faculty at the University of California-Merced reportedly held a “teach-in” Monday night to help students better understand the motives of 18-year-old Faisal Mohammad, who earlier this month wounded four people with a hunting knife before being killed by campus police.

The conservative college news website The College Fixreported that the teach-in was “conspicuously” devoid of discussions of radical Islam, and instead “delved into topics such as how society’s notions of masculinity pressure men.”

Mohammad, a freshman studying computer science at UC Merced, was found to have a printout image of the Islamic State flag alongside a handwritten manifesto with detailed instructions to behead students and multiple reminders to “praise Allah.”
Still, investigators have maintained there is no indication that he had any terrorist ties.

Monday’s teach-in, titled “Don’t Turn Our Tragedy Into Hate,” was hosted by the critical race and ethnic studies faculty, The College Fix reported.

One speaker during the panel discussion appeared to blame Mohammad’s anger on societal gender norms.

“Anger, that is really what we think about when we think about emotional men,” she reportedly said. “They are subject to social sanctions if they deviate from masculinity. If you are perceived as failing at it, you are subject to being called a ***, a pussy, a wimp, pretty much what women are, right?”

“So when you have this limited ability to sort of express your emotions and possible feelings of emasculation, of low self esteem, how do you really [deal with] that? A lot of times they … engage in violence. They need to compensate for their loss of masculinity in the most manly way they have access to, and unfortunately, a lot of times that’s violence.”


At least one UC Merced student spoke out against the teach-in to The College Fix, though he spoke on the condition of anonymity for fear of “retribution.”

People were quick to sympathize with the attacker and assume anyone who thought this was related to radical Islam was a xenophobic racist,” he reportedly said. “One of the most disturbing things I saw on Facebook was that a student made a RIP Mohammad post that received nearly 800 Likes.”

The student said about 200 people attended the event.

James Leonard, a spokesman for the university, told The College Fix that the teach-in was a faculty-led event, “and the opinions expressed there were those of the individual faculty members, students and others in the audience.”
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Old 11-23-15, 01:35 PM   #67
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A student asked if his college's "consent workshops" were effective.

Instead of answering his question, other students started harassing him, so much so, that he ended up being afraid to go to class.

Some students even falsely accused him of being a rapist.

I think it's great that he asked whether or not the workshops were effective. I wish more people would ask questions like that regarding a whole bunch of different policies in so many areas of life.

There are many ways to put people into different groups, and one of those ways to group people is by those who focus on intentions vs those who focus on actual results. I think that's a great way to look at this particular situation, as well as many other issues.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...workshops.html

Campus zealots hound student out of lectures and bars with shouts of 'rapist' after he dared to question the effectiveness of rape 'consent workshops'

George Lawlor, 19, driven out of lectures and bars with shouts of ‘rapist’

University student questioned the effectiveness of 'consent workshops'

He now fears for his future at Warwick University after being ostracised

Mr Lawlor fears the furore will affect his academic work and future career

November 22, 2015

A student has been driven out of lectures and bars with shouts of ‘rapist’ after he dared to question the effectiveness of ‘consent workshops’.

Second-year George Lawlor, 19, fears for his future at Warwick University after being ostracised and bullied for challenging a student union drive to hold rape awareness sessions.

Writing in a blog, he argued that the overwhelming majority of people ‘don’t have to be taught to not be a rapist’ – and that men inclined to commit the crime would be unlikely to attend such a workshop.

He added that he found his invitation to one of the sessions ‘incredibly hurtful’.

But in the latest example of politically correct intolerance in universities, the student faced a fierce backlash from radical feminists. He was attacked on Twitter and Facebook by student activists branding him a ‘rapist’ and ‘misogynist’.

Mr Lawlor, who studies politics and sociology, fears the furore will affect his academic work – and his future career.

The abuse was so bad that he stopped going to lectures.
He told the Daily Mail: ‘I was expecting a reaction, but I was not prepared for just how horrible it was. I remember putting it online and told a few people, who were … saying there would be a backlash.’

In the piece, ‘Why I don’t need consent lessons’, Mr Lawlor said he ‘loved consent’ but that organisers were ‘pointing out the obvious’ and ‘thinking they’ve saved the world’ by making men listen to lectures about rape.

He posed with a sign reading, ‘This is not what a rapist looks like’, to highlight that most right-thinking people know where the boundaries are. But he was called ‘classist’ and ‘racist’ by people who thought he was commenting on what the physical appearance of a ‘typical’ rapist was.




The article was covered on news sites in the US, all over Europe and in Australia.

Mr Lawlor said Warwick student paper The Boar ‘got all their writers together to gang up’ on him with two one-sided articles. Others deleted him as a Facebook contact and sent abusive messages.

He added: ‘In real life, the bus to university was the worst … I heard people talking to each other saying, “I really want to hit that kid”. Walking through campus, people would go silent as I walked past. It was really scary … it got really nasty.’

He said that when he ran in student union elections, someone wrote on his Facebook page, ‘I want to give this guy minus one vote’, followed by another user adding, ‘I want to give this guy minus 100 per cent oxygen’.





Mr Lawlor added: ‘There was one guy messaging me on Facebook for over a week, calling me names like racist, rapist … I’ve stopped going to lectures and seminars because of the perceived threat.’

He said he was driven out of a bar in Leamington after some students overheard his friend mention his name. ‘These six guys just crowded round me and started shouting at me … calling me a rapist, a misogynist, and threatening me … I had to get out of there,’ he said.


‘I don’t want to play the victim card, but afterwards I cried.’

Mr Lawlor’s critique of the National Union of Students’ initiative, published on student news website The Tab, came after he was invited to an I Heart Consent workshop via Facebook. The sessions are being rolled out with the aim of enabling students to talk openly about consent. Oxford and Cambridge have scheduled them into freshers’ timetables and other universities are running voluntary workshops.

Mr Lawlor suggested his ordeal will have a chilling effect on other students. He said many had told him they agreed with the article but were afraid to back him publicly.

‘It’s all part of this no-platforming agenda, where they try and create “safe spaces” … but no-one ever thought to question whether I was in a “safe space”,’ he said. ‘People were calling for me to be expelled. You’re only allowed to talk about certain issues, it seems.’

He added: ‘When you search my name all you find is my name next to the word “rapist”. If you want to be a doctor or a lawyer you don’t want to risk having this sort of reputation … so there’s a fear that stops people talking freely.’


Last week, historian David Starkey was banned from a promotional video for Cambridge University after student union officials accused him of having a ‘history of racism and sexism’.

Warwick students’ union recently banned human rights campaigner Maryam Namazie over fears she might criticise Islam. Two red-top tabloids are also banned.

GEORGE LAWLOR: I ALREADY KNOW WHAT IS AND IS NOT CONSENT

An extract from George Lawlor’s blog following his invitation to a consent workshop.

I LOVE consent … but I still found this invitation loathsome … a massive, painful, bitchy slap in the face.

To be invited to such a waste of time was the biggest insult I’ve received in a good few years … It implies I have an insufficient understanding of what does and does not constitute consent and that’s incredibly hurtful …

I feel as if I’m taking the ‘wrong’ side here, but someone has to say it – I don’t have to be taught to not be a rapist. That much comes naturally to me … as I am sure it does to the overwhelming majority of people …

Brand me a bigot, a misogynist, a rape apologist, I don’t care … I already know what is and what isn’t consent. I also know about those more nuanced situations where consent isn’t immediately obvious, as any decent, empathetic human being does …

You’d think Russell Group university students would get that … but apparently the consent teachers don’t have as high a regard for their peers as I do.

I’m not denying there have been tragic cases of rape and abuse on campuses … but do you really think the kind of people who lack empathy, respect and human decency to the point where they’d violate someone’s body are really going to turn up to a consent lesson? They won’t …

It will just be an echo chamber of people pointing out the obvious and others nodding … the whole time thinking that they’ve saved the world.
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Here's the blog in question. He strikes me as an "All Lives Matter" fan. And kind of a douche.

I'd like to pull out this section:

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I feel as if I’m taking the “wrong” side here, but someone has to say it – I don’t have to be taught to not be a rapist. That much comes naturally to me, as I am sure it does to the overwhelming majority of people you and I know. Brand me a bigot, a misogynist, a rape apologist, I don’t care. I stand by that.
Apparently, you do care. And you cried about it. And ran to the media.
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Here's the blog in question. He strikes me as an "All Lives Matter" fan. And kind of a douche.

I'd like to pull out this section:



Apparently, you do care. And you cried about it. And ran to the media.
He ran to the media because he was falsely accused of being a rapist, he was threatened with physical violence on the bus, and he was afraid to go to class because of this.

I agree with what he said, including the part that you quoted.

I also think that the people who keep making false accusations of rape (this guy's accusers, Duke rape case, Lena Dunham, that Rolling Stone article, the false claim that one in five female college students gets raped) are doing a harm, not a help, to the issue.
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He ran to the media because he was falsely accused of being a rapist, he was threatened with physical violence on the bus, and he was afraid to go to class because of this.

I agree with what he said, including the part that you quoted.

I also think that the people who keep making false accusations of rape (this guy's accusers, Duke rape case, Lena Dunham, that Rolling Stone article, the false claim that one in five female college students gets raped) are doing a harm, not a help, to the issue.
Posting that picture makes him look like the poster child for someone who needs that class.

And yes, people who make false accusations absolutely hurt the issue. But the ones doing the actual raping hurt the issue more. And there are a LOT more of them. Maybe, in general, we should spend less time looking for the exceptions and focus more on "the rule".

The Daily Dot has a good summary of the back and forth.

And here's one of the student paper responses, who also picked up on the same anger I was noticing:

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What I found most striking about George Lawlor’s scathing article about the I Heart Consent workshops, was the incredible anger behind the piece. Lawlor has chosen to react by taking the workshops as a personal attack on men, and more specifically, himself.

Yet, if he had attended, he might have been involved in a discussion about how our laws are heteronormative and do not adequately protect the LGBT+ community, or about the reality of men getting raped. Our education in school fails to cover consent, so these discussions now are essential. His assumption that, “Yes means yes, no means no…You’d think Russell Group university students would get that much” is quite frankly naive.
This is a good response from the Telegraph too:

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What Lawlor really doesn’t seem to quite grasp is that rapists don’t dress like the Hamburgler and hide in bushes. Four in five rapes are committed by a person the victim already knows. So yes, a normal bloke is exactly what a rapist looks like.
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However, Lawlor and I do agree on one overarching point. These consent classes will probably end up being a waste of time. But only because the people who would make the effort to turn up are already conscious of the importance of consent. And the people who need it the most refuse to turn up because they find the suggestion of learning more about consent so offensive or don’t even consider it something that needs comprehending.

When it comes to consent classes, I applaud the Warwick University for trying, really I do. But sadly university age is far too late. If you don’t start consent education in childhood then you end up with young men, like Lawlor, who whether they understand consent or not, believe themselves to be above even having the conversation at all.
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I would never go to a consent class. What a waste of time. MAYBE if you summed it up in a short bulleted list, I'd look over it if I got really bored. It just sounds so stupid to me. As if someone would go to this, and have an epiphany: "OOOOH! THAT'S how you don't rape women!"
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Here's my summary:

One guy: "I'm extremely offended that I received the same invitation as everyone else on campus for something that I don't think applies to me!"
Someone else: "I'm extremely offended that you're extremely offended!"
Some others: "Whatever, that one guy is right!"
Some more others: "No, he's wrong! Let's destroy his life!"
And whichever side has the loudest social media-fueled mob wins. But really, we all lose.
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Posting that picture makes him look like the poster child for someone who needs that class.

And yes, people who make false accusations absolutely hurt the issue. But the ones doing the actual raping hurt the issue more. And there are a LOT more of them. Maybe, in general, we should spend less time looking for the exceptions and focus more on "the rule".

The Daily Dot has a good summary of the back and forth.

And here's one of the student paper responses, who also picked up on the same anger I was noticing:



This is a good response from the Telegraph too:

As far as I am aware, most of the college rape accusations that have received national media attention in recent years turned out to be fake.

Among the college rape accusations that only receive attention from local media, it seems that most of them are true. It also seems that most of them involve a victim who is drunk. Although it's never a woman's fault that she is raped, I do think it would be a good idea for women to avoid getting drunk when they are at college.
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As far as I am aware, most of the college rape accusations that have received national media attention in recent years turned out to be fake.
Most research puts the false claims rate at between 2-7% (many experts converge around 5%).

Now you are more aware...

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Among the college rape accusations that only receive attention from local media, it seems that most of them are true. It also seems that most of them involve a victim who is drunk. Although it's never a woman's fault that she is raped, I do think it would be a good idea for women to avoid getting drunk when they are at college.
I think it would be a better idea if people stopped raping so much and started understanding consent better at college. If only someone would offer a class on that or something...


By the way, as someone who works at a college, and has witnessed firsthand many of these types of classes, I have yet to see one that doesn't involve a major debate surrounding what consent is at some point. Many college kids are truly confused and there is a wide variety in their individual definitions of consent in various circumstances...
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