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Old 11-18-15, 11:39 AM   #26
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He is not aware the US was attacked in 2001.

Probably the result of Obama's awesome education program.
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We don't have a moment of silence for JFK every November, or Pearl Harbor in December. How long are we supposed to do it for 11 September?
There may not be a "moment of silence" on December 7 anymore, but in a couple weeks, take notice of any government building to see if they lower their flag. If you see any government locations with flags flying at full staff on December 7, take a picture for me.
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In my opinion, encouraging black people to skip class is not a good way to teach people that black lives matter.


http://dailycaller.com/2015/11/18/pr...oodrow-wilson/

Princeton Students Take Over President’s Office, Demand Erasure Of Woodrow Wilson

11/18/2015

Black Lives Matter activists at Princeton University have taken over the president’s office and say they won’t leave until the school acknowledges former U.S. president Woodrow Wilson as a racist and renames all buildings currently honoring him on campus.

Members of a group calling themselves the Black Justice League walked out of their classes
late Wednesday morning and assembled at Nassau Hall, where they were met by Princeton president Christopher Eisgruber. The students presented a list of demands inspired by similar lists that have been seen at Yale University, the University of Missouri, and elsewhere.

“WE DEMAND the university administration publicly acknowledge the racist legacy of Woodrow Wilson and how he impacted campus policy and culture,” the students’ demands say. “We also demand that steps be made to rename Wilson residential college, the Woodrow Wilson School of Public Policy and International Affairs, and any other building named after him. Furthermore, we would like the mural of Wilson to be removed from Wilcox Dining Hall.”

The students called on Eisgruber to sign their list of demands, and said until he does so they will occupy Nassau Hall, for days if needed.

“We want to make this as awkward as possible for him,” one activist said, according to The Tab, which has a writer liveblogging the protest.

The @Princeton President told students at sit in, that he needs to be convinced racism exists. #StudentBlackOut pic.twitter.com/nybfvwEEb6

— zellie (@zellieimani) November 18, 2015

Wilson, who graduated from Princeton and served as its president before becoming president of the United States, is commonly considered a pivotal figure in the rise of progressivism. During his administration, the Federal Reserve was created, antitrust laws were strengthened, and the power of the American central government was increased substantially. On the international stage, Wilson was an idealist who led America into World War 1 and founded the League of Nations in an attempt to prevent future cataclysms between great powers.

But Wilson was also a southerner who shared the racial views of many other progressives in the early 20th century. He supported segregation and greatly increased its use in the federal government which has muddled his legacy for modern-day progressives.

In addition to their Wilson-related demands, the occupying students also demand that “cultural competency training” be required of all faculty members, and that the school require all students to take classes on the history of “marginalized peoples.” The protesters note that mandatory cultural competency training was voted down last spring because of fears the requirement would trample free speech, but activists say that explanation doesn’t fly and the school needs a “conversation” about the correct meaning of free speech.

“We demand a public conversation,” the demand says, “on the true role of freedom of speech and freedom of intellectual thought in a way that does not reinforce anti-Blackness and xenophobia.”

Unlike some other college presidents around the U.S., Eisgruber has been willing to publicly reject some of the protesters demands out of hand. The school simply isn’t going to eliminate its tributes to Wilson, he said, barely an hour into the protest.

“I agree with you, Woodrow Wilson was a racist,” he said. “In some people, you have good in great measure and evil in great measure.”

Eisgruber did agree, though, with adding courses on marginalized people to distribution requirements, but he said he lacked the power to implement such a requirement.

According to The Tab, as Eisgruber spoke, there were outcries from the crowd.

“This campus owes us everything,” said one student. “We owe white people nothing. All of this is mine. My people built this place.”

In response to Eisgruber’s rapid rejection of the first demand, students for the time being say they will continue their occupation of Eisgruber’s office.

Update: We are currently occupying Nassau Hall (the president’s office). We have stated that we would sit in until he…

Posted by Destiny Crockett on Wednesday, November 18, 2015

Wilson isn’t the first U.S. president to have his memorials come under fire for racial reasons. Democratic Parties around the country have been renaming dinners that honored Thomas Jefferson and Andrew Jackson because of the former’s ownership of slaves and the latter’s policies towards American Indians.
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"The students called on Eisgruber to sign their list of demands, and said until he does so they will occupy Nassau Hall, for days if needed."

So what happens if their demands are not met within days? Are they willing to stretch their occupation into weeks? Months?

At what point do they give up & leave if the college president does not capitulate to their line drawn in the sand?

Are they going to stay during Thanksgiving when the campus offices are closed next week?

Not too great planning on their part.
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In addition to their Wilson-related demands, the occupying students also demand that “cultural competency training” be required of all faculty members, and that the school require all students to take classes on the history of “marginalized peoples.” The protesters note that mandatory cultural competency training was voted down last spring because of fears the requirement would trample free speech, but activists say that explanation doesn’t fly and the school needs a “conversation” about the correct meaning of free speech.

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What the heck does this term even specifically entail? Googling "cultural competence," "cultural competence training," "mandatory cultural competency," "cultural competency on campus," etc. leads to links with some articles & abstracts aimed at medical professionals (doctors, nurses, psychologists, counselors, etc.).

How does one square the idea of looking beyond skin color with the idea that skin color equates to belonging to a different "culture"? And how many different "cultures" would be included? Would faculty members have to demonstrate "proficiency" in recognizing cultural differences among different U.S. regions? Different nationalities (even within same majority racial groups)?

Will any allusions to past history of benefactors/political leaders/alumni represented on campus need to be expunged? That's going to include quite a few early leaders whose names & images regularly appear on campuses. Will students refuse to accept change in $ denominations bearing the images of former slave-holders?

Since Princeton was founded by Presbyterians as a theological seminary, will nonreligious students protest overt references to its founding (especially if those students see religion as evil)? Will they demand that the name be changed back to "College of New Jersey?" Will they demand any portraits or statues of prominent Presbyterian ministers such as John Witherspoon (signer of the Declaration of Independence & one of nine Princeton men to be a delegate to Constitutional Convention) be removed? After all, even though Witherspoon's students included 37 judges (three of whom became justices of the U.S. Supreme Court); 10 Cabinet officers; 12 members of the Continental Congress, 28 U.S. senators, and 49 United States congressmen (James Madison, Aaron Burr, William Bradford, & John Breckenridge among their numbers), his religious views surely are offensive to many.

These views include the ideas that "public religion was a vital necessity in maintaining the public morals" and that "the new American national leaders, guided by their Christian religion, natural virtues, and republican sense of government, would be the most Protestant, Christian, free, and, therefore, noble nation, a light to the world."

Surely those quaint ideas from one of Princeton's most illustrious presidents are anathema to non-religionists & multi-culturalists today and would be found to be highly offensive to many.

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Not sure if this is the best thread for this, but thought it fit well enough:

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/l...112-story.html

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Amid racial bias protests, Claremont McKenna dean resigns

Claremont McKenna College’s dean of students resigned Thursday amid protests over racial tensions on the campus, the same day that student demonstrations roiled more than 100 colleges and universities nationwide.

Dean Mary Spellman at Claremont McKenna stepped down after she sparked a campus protest and hunger strikes by two students this week over her email to a Latina student saying she would work to serve those who “don’t fit our CMC mold.”

Spellman later apologized, but her remarks appeared to be a tipping point for students who have pressed the campus for months for greater diversity among faculty and staff and more funding for multicultural services.

Spellman’s resignation came days after student protests over racial discrimination pushed the University of Missouri’s president and chancellor to resign. Hundreds of students at Ithaca College in upstate New York have demanded the resignation of President Tom Rochon over accusations that he has failed to address racial insensitivity. Racial tensions also prompted hundreds of students to demonstrate this week at Yale University.

David Menefee-Libey, a Pomona College politics professor, says the national student protests are giving voice to myriad difficulties facing young adults.

“It’s a tough time to be a young person in the United States today, particularly a young person of color,” he said. “Economic opportunities are constrained. Access to higher education is constrained. Interactions with public authorities are fraught, especially interactions with police.”

At Claremont, about 30 students of color wrote to President Hiram E. Chodosh in April, saying they felt excluded, isolated and intimidated. The 1,300-member undergraduate student body is 43% white, 12% Latino, 10% Asian American, 8% mixed race and 4% black, with the rest international students and others.

Students have compiled a list of instances of bias, including vandalism at the Queer Resource Center, the defacement of Black Lives Matter posters, racial slurs, perceived mockery of their cultures and what they allege were university efforts to silence their complaints.

Their requests included a new resource center, funding for multicultural clubs, more diverse hiring, a mentoring program and an administrator to oversee diversity. Students said their pleas to Chodosh, Spellman and other administrators went largely unheard, according to the Student Life campus newspaper.

The tensions escalated after Spellman responded last month to an op-ed by Lisette Espinosa, who described her discomfort as a low-income Latina student at Claremont. Spellman's pledge to help students who don't “fit the CMC mold” prompted more protests and triggered a university review of her office.

In her resignation email Thursday, Spellman wrote: “To all who have been so supportive, please know how sorry I am if my decision disappoints you. I believe it is the best way to gain closure of a controversy that has divided the student body and disrupted the mission of this fine institution.”

Spellman and Espinosa could not be reached for comment.

Taylor Lemmons, a Claremont student who began a hunger strike this week to draw attention to the demands for Spellman’s resignation, thanked supporters Thursday.

“Let this be a message to anyone who sees a wrong and speaks out to make it right. You can do it,” Lemmons wrote. “All you have to do is speak up, be strong in your convictions and never give up.”

On Wednesday, Chodosh announced that new leadership positions on diversity and inclusion would be created in the offices of academic and student affairs. The administrators will work to increase diversity in hiring and in the curriculum, and a new space will be dedicated for work on diversity, identity and free speech, he said in a letter to the campus community.

“I stand by our students,” Chodosh wrote. “I support their right to speak out forcefully, and want their voices to be heard.”

After Chodosh’s announcement and Spellman’s resignation, student protest leaders said they would continue to press for greater institutional support for students who feel marginalized.

“This is not the be-all and end-all,” said Jincy Varughese, 21, a senior environment, economics and politics major. “The fact that it took eight months of protest and two students saying that they wanted to go on a hunger fast to create all of this to happen is very telling.”

Varughese says students want to be involved in creating and designing temporary and permanent resource centers that have been promised as well as in the hiring of the new dean of students and a diversity administrator.

“I think we are seeing some movement in claiming a voice for ourselves and receiving acknowledgment that we do have a problem,” Varughese said.

Teeana Cotangco, a Claremont freshman of Filipino ancestry, said she had not experienced any bias and had made a smooth transition into campus life as a member of the women’s basketball team, Christian athletes club and Asian Pacific American mentoring group. But she said she welcomed the student activism on race.

“I feel if we just overlooked it, the issues would just boil over,” she said. “Somebody had to take a stand.”

Students across the nation also protested the escalating cost of education and mounting debt. The Million Student March is intended to bring attention to what organizers say is a crisis in education brought about by budget cuts, administrative bloat and corporate influence, which have cut off access to higher education for many and left many others deeply in debt.

Demands include tuition-free public higher education, cancellation of all student debt and a $15 hourly minimum wage for all campus employees.

Claremont McKenna is often ranked among America's top liberal arts colleges.

Claremont McKenna is part of a consortium of seven campuses that make up the Claremont Colleges and includes Pomona College, Scripps, Harvey Mudd and Pitzer College.

Noted for its highly selective admissions, Claremont McKenna tied with Vassar College as the nation's 10th-best liberal arts college in U.S. News & World Report's 2013 rankings. The campus enrolls about 1,250 students; annual tuition and fees top $44,000.
The thing I find annoying about the articles on these resignations is that they are never very clear about just what was upsetting the students so much.
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So, when do we rename Washington D.C.?
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Washington = owned slaves
Columbia = racist Indian slaughterer

How about Gumdrop City, District of Unicorn Farts. Or is that insensitive to vegans and persons with diabetes?
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Not sure if this is the best thread for this, but thought it fit well enough:

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/l...112-story.html



The thing I find annoying about the articles on these resignations is that they are never very clear about just what was upsetting the students so much.
I don't know, but isn't that the same school where the Chinese student went to a black lives matter rally and related a story about having bigoted statements thrown at her by black students?

I don't have time to look but I'm pretty sure it is.

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I don't know, but isn't that the same school where the Chinese student went to a black lives mater rally and related a story about having bigoted statements thrown at her by black students?

I don't have time to look but I'm pretty sure it is.


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Washington = owned slaves
Columbia = racist Indian slaughterer

How about Gumdrop City, District of Unicorn Farts. Or is that insensitive to vegans and persons with diabetes?
You folks need some mandatory cultural competency training.
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Some of the stuff people here are posting about (mainly grundle) is the sort of stuff people have done on college campuses since the '60s, if not earlier. Some of it is constructive, and some of it is misguided, but it's hardly strange our unexpected behavior from college students.
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Some of the stuff people here are posting about (mainly grundle) is the sort of stuff people have done on college campuses since the '60s, if not earlier. Some of it is constructive, and some of it is misguided, but it's hardly strange our unexpected behavior from college students.
Considering that every presidential candidate except Bernie Sanders is much more Hawkish than Obama and it looks inevitable that there will be a significant US military presense in Syria, I'd think that if the spirit of the 1960s were alive today, anti-war/anti-interventionism would be more on the mind of college students than protests over hypothetical halloween costumes and statues of former presidents.
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I never saw a single protest when I was in college (97-2001) My school was just interested in sex and booze
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I never saw a single protest when I was in college (97-2001) My school was just interested in sex and booze
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Considering that every presidential candidate except Bernie Sanders is much more Hawkish than Obama and it looks inevitable that there will be a significant US military presense in Syria, I'd think that if the spirit of the 1960s were alive today, anti-war/anti-interventionism would be more on the mind of college students than protests over hypothetical halloween costumes and statues of former presidents.
A) Yes, people do tend to protest things that actually are happening more often than things that might happen at some undefined point in the future.

B) You don't think there were anti-war protests during the Iraq War?

C) That's like someone in the '60s saying, "Why are those women burning their bras when they could be protesting the Vietnam War?"

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Your college never had a Take Back the Night rally?
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Some of the stuff people here are posting about (mainly grundle) is the sort of stuff people have done on college campuses since the '60s, if not earlier. Some of it is constructive, and some of it is misguided, but it's hardly strange our unexpected behavior from college students.
So streaking isn't a thing of the past?
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Your college never had a Take Back the Night rally?
Only when Lowen & Navarro (or Pat Benatar) came to town.

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So streaking isn't a thing of the past?
I went to UCLA, we do the undie run every year!
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I think the lack of real streaking on college campuses is largely due to smartphones and digital cameras everywhere.

20 years ago, people could run around naked on campus and "what happens in the quad, stays in the quad." Today, as soon as the clothes come off, the camera phones come out.
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I think the lack of real streaking on college campuses is largely due to smartphones and digital cameras everywhere.

20 years ago, people could run around naked on campus and "what happens in the quad, stays in the quad." Today, as soon as the clothes come off, the camera phones come out.
Same goes for skinny dipping and flashing.
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Today, as soon as the clothes come off, the camera phones come out.
Not in my "safe zone," Buster!

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