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Old 07-07-15, 05:43 AM   #51
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Went to Portland on the 4th with a friend who wanted to go to a head shop. Portland has some of the best supposedly. But here is what is really wild....Oregon's law says it is perfectly legal to give weed away. If you aren't getting money, you can just give it away. Bong was purchased and the gal that helped us said, "hey," and handed us both a bud of some kind of weed.

Thought that was odd because I didn't know about the law specifics. Apparently there was a big party on the 3rd where people paid $45 to get in and they got a bunch of SWAG as well as 7grams of high end stuff. Oregon's chapter of NORML said that the growers were more than ready for the stores to open October 1st, and claimed to have enough for every Oregonian of age to have 7 grams on the first day. They apparently also plan of giving a bunch out and did at other events.

For this hayseed, it was pretty fucking eye opening. If Oregon doesn't implode with a law that allows people to just give weed away, openly, what will the people against it have left to scare us with?

Lot more to the story, but I will say I have never had a 4th of July that was even close to as cool as this one.
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Old 07-13-15, 11:49 AM   #52
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Re: One and only legal cannabis thread

Watched the documentary "The Culture High." 2 hours long and goes over prohibition, etc. Where it really shines is looking into the "war on drugs" generally. I hadn't ever really looked into the origins, but it is wild. Anyway, I would recommend it. Might even make my kids watch it just so they can understand that what they are told in school doesn't always gel with reality.
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Old 07-20-15, 03:57 PM   #53
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Re: One and only legal cannabis thread

So I just found out there's a pot edible that is infused with herbal viagra. I'm going to have to try this
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Old 07-20-15, 06:08 PM   #54
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http://www.theweedblog.com/oregon-wi...in-the-nation/

Really good article about what Oregon will be facing. A huge glut of weed. Their dispensaries currently have ounces at $160 for "top shelf" stuff. The new law will add a $35 tax on that. But given what the article says, I guess I can believe that within a year or so, $120-$150 will be the norm for an ounce. I don't know how that compares to what I spend on rum, etc., but I may have to switch.
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Old 07-20-15, 06:21 PM   #55
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Re: One and only legal cannabis thread

Wow! In palm springs, an ounce of the top shelf stuff will cost you around $350!
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Old 07-20-15, 06:53 PM   #56
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I stopped off at a dispensary in WA while taking pictures of homes in a nearby town. The taxes have changed. Anyway, just browsing and I saw an ounce of some stuff that was a total of just over 30% THC, which seems insane, and it was $280 an ounce.
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Old 07-20-15, 07:00 PM   #57
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Re: One and only legal cannabis thread

And I feel guilty when I fork over a ton of cash for a Baskin Robbins half-gallon of hand-packed ice cream.

I think I'm sticking to ice cream, thanks.
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Old 07-23-15, 09:40 PM   #58
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Re: One and only legal cannabis thread

Do Medical Marijuana Laws Reduce Addictions and Deaths Related to Pain Killers?
http://www.marijuana.com/blog/news/2...elated-deaths/
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As America’s problem with prescription pain medication (read: OxyContin and Vicodin) kills approximately 46 people every day from overdose across the US, two recent studies have shown that states with legalized medical marijuana dispensaries have witnessed a dramatic reduction in their opiate related death rates.

The promising UC Irvine study mirrored a report published in October of 2014 in JAMA (Journal of the American Medical Association Internal Medicine). The JAMA findings noted that between 1999 and 2010, states with medical marijuana laws enjoyed a dramatic decline in their overall opioid related death rate; reducing it by a “lower mean” average of 24.8%.
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Old 07-27-15, 10:43 AM   #59
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So I just found out there's a pot edible that is infused with herbal viagra. I'm going to have to try this
Finally got around to trying this last night. It was really cool at first, and had some really interesting tingles ... until we both ended up paralyzed in bed for about 2 hours. A bit strong for me, I think!
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Old 07-27-15, 12:01 PM   #60
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Re: One and only legal cannabis thread

Edibles do seem to have the ability to make people think, "This is now an ordeal!"
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Old 07-28-15, 09:36 AM   #61
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It looks like both Michigan and Ohio will have ballot measures next year. Wow, this is moving quicker than I thought.

http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/m...allot/34340718

Also, regarding joeblow's article. As someone who deals with chronic pain, I can tell you for a fact that it reduces my reliance on more addictive painkillers, so I'm not surprised to see that they are looking into that aspect of it.
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Old 07-28-15, 09:56 AM   #62
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Hell, there was an article in a Sunday paper about how it strengthens bones and seems to have some anti-cancer properties. My mother cut it out and is taking it to the doctor on their next trip (Dad has bone cancer). My father has never even tried a cigarette in his life, went to West Point, etc. I'm guessing he won't ever do it, but I did mention that many people just use CBD drops. He might try that because it "doesn't get you high," while he takes a few oxy a day.
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Holy shit, those oxycontins get you high as hell, I'd think.
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Old 07-28-15, 10:14 AM   #64
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Yeah, he was a mess for quite awhile, but they finally have the pills figured out and he is pain free. I can't imagine taking oxy for very long, and he is concerned about it as well, so we'll see what happens.
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Old 07-28-15, 02:55 PM   #65
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I'm guessing he won't ever do it, but I did mention that many people just use CBD drops. He might try that because it "doesn't get you high," while he takes a few oxy a day.
I saw some CBD-only chocolates at the store the other day, and thought "who the hell would want that?!?"

Oh, I guess people with an actual medical need for medical marijuana
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Old 07-28-15, 03:35 PM   #66
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It looks like both Michigan and Ohio will have ballot measures next year. Wow, this is moving quicker than I thought.
Ohio's first attempt at legalization could actually be this year (pending approval of the signatures collected), but could also be dead in the water thanks to a second proposed constitutional amendment. As with our casinos, I am not in favor of establishing a privately-owned constitutional "monopoly".

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Just in the past week, the politics of legalizing marijuana in Ohio in 2015 has created strange bedfellows – conservative legislators and longtime marijuana activists who want to stop the initiative of the private group ResponsibleOhio.

The Ohio Legislature has placed on the Nov. 3 ballot a proposed constitutional amendment that would forbid any addition to the state constitution creating "a monopoly, oligopoly or cartel," especially to sell and distribute a federally controlled substance, such as marijuana.

Several hours before the Ohio Senate voted June 30 on the anti-monopoly initiative, ResponsibleOhio turned in 695,273 signatures of Ohio voters to the state to put its Marijuana Legalization Amendment on this year's ballot. Ohio Secretary of State Jon Husted will need several weeks to ensure that the correct number of signatures to qualify, 305,591, are valid.

If ResponsibleOhio's petition campaign succeeds, voters will go into the polling booth with a curious choice. If both initiatives win, the legislature's language goes into effect immediately, aned ResponsibleOhio's proposal would be dead in the water. Then the election lawyers head for court with the inevitable legal challenges.

Activists in the Ohio marijuana movement have not contained their delight at the legislative initiative, ignited and pushed by the Republican executive branch, conservative lawmakers and Democratic House member Mike Curtin.

Aaron Weaver of Vermilion, president of Citizens Against ResponsibleOhio, noted the unusual banding together of conservatives who are wary at best at the prospect of legalization and the activists who want legalization, just not the ResponsibleOhio plan.

"It is very interesting that all these different parties have come together with the same purpose in mind, to stop the hijacking of our constitution by private interests," Weaver said. "It's very strange indeed, but the collaboration of different groups for a mutually beneficial and moral purpose, I think, is a good thing."

Growing the crop on 10 farms

ResponsibleOhio is a group of private investors ready to spend $20 million between now and Election Day to pass its constitutional amendment to legalize marijuana. The commercial crop would be limited to 10 separate farms, which the investors now own but which would compete against each other.

Some opponents have called this plan a monopoly – a business only one person or entity owns – but the correct economic term is oligopoly, a business few people own.
More at the article linked above.

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Old 07-29-15, 10:06 AM   #67
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Yeah, read a bit about the Ohio plan. A fucking money grab by people who are putting the initiative forward. I don't know what the legislature can do with initiatives (in WA, they need a supermajority in the first 2 years to change anything), but it looks like the constitutional amendment is the response.
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Yeah, read a bit about the Ohio plan. A fucking money grab by people who are putting the initiative forward.
It's idiotic and offensive.
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http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-en...-10446510.html

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Was William Shakespeare high when he penned his plays?


State-of-the-art forensic technology from South Africa has been used to try and unravel the mystery of what was smoked in tobacco pipes found in the Stratford-upon-Avon garden of William Shakespeare.

Residue from clay tobacco pipes more than 400 years old from the playwright’s garden were analysed in Pretoria using a sophisticated technique called gas chromatography mass spectrometry.

Chemicals from pipe bowls and stems which had been excavated from Shakespeare' garden and adjacent areas were identified and quantified during the forensic study. The artefacts for the study were on loan from the Shakespeare Birthplace Trust.

The gas technique is very sensitive to residues that can be preserved in pipes even if they had been smoked 400 years ago.

What were they smoking?

There were several kinds of tobacco in the 17th century, including the North American Nicotiana (from which we get nicotine), and cocaine (Erythroxylum), which is obtained from Peruvian coca leaves.

It has been claimed that Sir Francis Drake may have brought coca leaves to England after his visit to Peru, just as Sir Walter Raleigh had brought “tobacco leaves” (Nicotiana) from Virginia in North America.

In a recent issue of a Country Life magazine, Mark Griffiths has stimulated great interest in John Gerard’s Herbal, published in 1597 as a botanical book which includes engraved images of several people in the frontispiece. One of them (cited as “The Fourth Man”) is identified by Griffiths as William Shakespeare, but this identification is questionable.

Possibly, the engraving represents Sir Francis Drake, who knew Gerard.

Gerard’s Herbal refers to various kinds of “tobacco” introduced to Europe by Drake and Raleigh in the days of Shakespeare in Elizabethan England.

There certainly is a link between Drake and plants from the New World, notably corn, the potato and “tobacco”. Furthermore, one can associate Raleigh with the introduction of “tobacco” to Europe from North America (notably in the context of the tobacco plant called Nicotiana, from Virginia and elsewhere).
What we found

There was unquestionable evidence for the smoking of coca leaves in early 17th century England, based on chemical evidence from two pipes in the Stratford-upon-Avon area.

Neither of the pipes with cocaine came from Shakepeare’s garden. But four of the pipes with cannabis did.

Results of this study (including 24 pipe fragments) indicated cannabis in eight samples, nicotine in at least one sample, and in two samples definite evidence for Peruvian cocaine from coca leaves.

Shakespeare may have been aware of the deleterious effects of cocaine as a strange compound. Possibly, he preferred cannabis as a weed with mind-stimulating properties.

These suggestions are based on the following literary indications. In Sonnet 76, Shakespeare writes about “invention in a noted weed”. This can be interpreted to mean that Shakespeare was willing to use “weed” (cannabis as a kind of tobacco) for creative writing ("nvention").

In the same sonnet it appears that he would prefer not to be associated with “compounds strange”, which can be interpreted, at least potentially, to mean “strange drugs” (possibly cocaine).

Sonnet 76 may relate to complex wordplay relating in part to drugs (compounds and “weed”), and in part to a style of writing, associated with clothing ("weeds") and literary compounds (words combined to form one, as in the case of the word “Philsides” from Philip Sidney).
Was Shakespeare high?

Chemical analyses of residues in early 17th-century clay “tobacco pipes” have confirmed that a diversity of plants was smoked in Europe. Literary analyses and chemical science can be mutually beneficial, bringing the arts and the sciences together in an effort to better understand Shakespeare and his contemporaries.

This has also begged the question whether the plays of Shakespeare were performed in Elizabethan England in a smoke-filled haze?

One can well imagine the scenario in which Shakespeare performed his plays in the court of Queen Elizabeth, in the company of Drake, Raleigh and others who smoked clay pipes filled with “tobacco”.
So don't smoke pot or you may end up like Shakespeare....DEAD!!!!

Thought you guys might find this interesting.
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To be or not to be ... what was the question?
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Old 08-12-15, 01:28 PM   #71
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http://countercurrentnews.com/2015/0...by-25-percent/

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Throughout the United States, prescription drug overdoses have been a major problem. But now, with the rise of medical marijuana in many states the number of deaths from pharmaceutical painkillers has been plummeting.

In states where medical marijuana is legal, deaths have been dropping 25%.

This rate is consistent with the growing rate of medical marijuana use. This seems to indicate, to most, that the reason for the decline is due to more and more people abandoning the harsher painkillers, and opting for the plant form of relief.

Newsweek reports that “overdose deaths from these pharmaceutical opioids have approximately tripled since 1991, and every day 46 people die of such overdoses in the United States.”

In the 13 states that have recently passed laws that legalize medical marijuana, between 1999 and 2010, “25% fewer people die from opioid overdoses annually.”

The co-author of the study that has discovered this data, has commented that “the difference is quite striking.”

Colleen Barry, a health policy researcher at Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health in Baltimore, added that this shift became obvious and showed itself “quickly and become visible the year after medical marijuana was accepted in each state.”

This groundbreaking study was just published today, in the August issue of JAMA Internal Medicine.

In the journal, the “researchers hypothesize that in states where medical marijuana can be prescribed, patients may use pot to treat pain, either instead of prescription opiates, or to supplement them—and may thus require a lower dosage that is less likely to lead to a fatal problem,” according to Newsweek.
Links to the reports can be found at the site. So what is the reason to keep it illegal? I mean other than the fact that it is overall positive for society and negative for the pharmaceutical industry....though that is enough in our country to keep it illegal federally for a very long time.
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Because they make too much money jailing people for using it?

Maybe it's still really hard to get people off the "drugs are bad, mkay" mantra from Nancy Reagan. Hell, I still thought that until a couple years ago.

I don't think there's a cheap and accurate test police could use to tell if you are high while driving yet either. Plus how would that even work? If it could tell you had marijuana in your system still, but could it know if you were still actually high?

Like, last weekend, I had some edibles, then 6 or so hours later, felt fine, and drove home. Would I have tested positive for pot? I have no idea.
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Because they make too much money jailing people for using it?

Maybe it's still really hard to get people off the "drugs are bad, mkay" mantra from Nancy Reagan. Hell, I still thought that until a couple years ago.
I'm right there with you.

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I don't think there's a cheap and accurate test police could use to tell if you are high while driving yet either. Plus how would that even work? If it could tell you had marijuana in your system still, but could it know if you were still actually high?

Like, last weekend, I had some edibles, then 6 or so hours later, felt fine, and drove home. Would I have tested positive for pot? I have no idea.
There is no good way to do this. A daily smoker would have a level 3x the WA limit even a day after they smoked. What they really need to do is just do an actual field test like they would for prescription pills.
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If it could tell you had marijuana in your system still, but could it know if you were still actually high?
I think how you performed the field sobriety tests would be a good indicator of how impaired you were. Blood/urine/whatever would just confirm what you were impaired with at the time.
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There's some intersting drug testing facts here:http://www.canorml.org/healthfacts/d...detection.html


I don't see how those kinds of tests would be accurate for whether you were actually high while driving
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