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Old 08-12-17, 07:49 PM   #3576
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Re: We are a nation of cowards for not discussing race issues....

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Info on the driver from The Washington Post:
That's the same guy that I was referring to in this post, which means that the amateur sleuths were correct:

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Some people have traced the license plate to a certain person, but that person may not have been the driver. The car could have been stolen. The license plate could have been stolen. The car may have been sold to a new owner.

Hopefully, the media will report the name of the actual driver who was arrested.
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Old 08-12-17, 07:50 PM   #3577
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What about the sidewalk would have protected them from a homicidal driver? The curb? Are you that naive?
If the driver had driven on the sidewalk, then nothing would have protected them.

But I still support "safe protesting" just as I support "safe sex."
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Old 08-12-17, 07:52 PM   #3578
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If the driver had driven on the sidewalk, then nothing would have protected them.

But I still support "safe protesting" just as I support "safe sex."
THIS WASNT AN ACCIDENT. THE PROTESTORS WERE TARGETED BY THE DRIVER. The fact they were in the street was MEANINGLESS and it's victim-blaming and pathetic to even discuss it.
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Old 08-12-17, 07:56 PM   #3579
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Re: We are a nation of cowards for not discussing race issues....

Hopefully McCain is not just playing the politician in this, but it seems like it's from the heart:

https://www.mccain.senate.gov/public...harlottesville

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“Our Founders fought a revolution for the idea that all men are created equal. The heirs of that revolution fought a Civil War to save our nation, conceived in liberty and dedicated to that revolutionary proposition.

Nothing less is at stake on the streets of Charlottesville, Virginia, where a violent attack has taken at least one American life and injured many others in a confrontation between our better angels and our worst demons.

“White supremacists and neo-Nazis are, by definition, opposed to American patriotism and the ideals that define us as a people and make our nation special.

“As we mourn the tragedy that has occurred in Charlottesville, American patriots of all colors and creeds must come together to defy those who raise the flag of hatred and bigotry.”
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Old 08-12-17, 07:56 PM   #3580
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quit while your ahead grundle.
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THIS WASNT AN ACCIDENT. THE PROTESTORS WERE TARGETED BY THE DRIVER. The fact they were in the street was MEANINGLESS and it's victim-blaming and pathetic to even discuss it.
But the sidewalk!

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In this picture, what I see is a bunch of people standing in the street blocking traffic.

I've said before that people should do their protesting on the sidewalk, not in the street.
Fuck that ignorant shit.
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Old 08-12-17, 08:09 PM   #3584
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Re: We are a nation of cowards for not discussing race issues....

Not to tip my hand too much, but can people please stop quoting other people? I thought I had Paul Anka's guarantee. "Just don't look. Just don't look..."
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If the driver had driven on the sidewalk, then nothing would have protected them.

But I still support "safe protesting" just as I support "safe sex."
I can think of two people I wish had practiced safe sex.
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Quit while your ahead grundle.
Could you not give Grundle the impression that he was anywhere but drowning in a river of shit of his own making?
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Old 08-12-17, 08:25 PM   #3587
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When you try to victim blame, you diminish what happened. That makes the alt-right stronger.
It's pretty obvious that's his goal.

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It's fucking pathetic.
This is also pretty obvious.
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Old 08-12-17, 08:27 PM   #3588
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CNN)The suspect being held in a Virginia jail in connection with a deadly crash near a scheduled rally of white nationalists has been identified as James Alex Fields Jr., 20, of Maumee, Ohio, according to Superintendent Martin Kumer with the Albermarle-Charlottesville County Regional Jail .

Fields is being held on suspicion of second-degree murder, malicious wounding and failure to stop in an accident that resulted in death.

One person died and 19 were injured Saturday when a car rammed a crowd of counterprotesters gathered to oppose a "Unite the Right" rally of white nationalist and other right-wing groups.

Charlottesville Police Chief Al Thomas said the suspect was taken into custody not far from the crash site.
Thomas told reporters a 32-year-old woman was killed while she was crossing the street. Her name was not released.

"What the world saw today is not the place Charlottesville is," Thomas said of the violence that preceded the scheduled rally. "We love our city. Let us heal. This is not our story. Outsiders do not tell our story. We will tell our own story."

Police said only that the crash is under investigation and have not commented on specific aspects of the crash.
Being treated as a homicide and killed while crossing the street. The cops don't agree with grundle.
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Re: We are a nation of cowards for not discussing race issues....

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In this picture, what I see is a bunch of people standing in the street blocking traffic.

I've said before that people should do their protesting on the sidewalk, not in the street.
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Old 08-12-17, 09:02 PM   #3590
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Wow, it got real quiet in here. Even the usual devil's advocates aren't here to sort of defend this shit.
Well, one showed up pretty quickly. The others must still be awaiting their orders.
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Re: We are a nation of cowards for not discussing race issues....

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But the sidewalk!

Jeeze. I hate seeing stuff like that. It was at a car show. Someone got too excited and couldn't keep control their car. You wouldn't believe how common that is. Look up exotic car accidents on Youtube. Lots of them are hilarious.
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Old 08-12-17, 09:30 PM   #3592
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Well, one showed up pretty quickly. The others must still be awaiting their orders.
I am waiting for you know who to stop in and tell us how it was Hillary's fault.
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Re: We are a nation of cowards for not discussing race issues....

Pics of the killer.




Seems to indicate that he's part of the alt-right movement, and not just an angry driver. Which, till now, I thought might have been a possibility (ever see that video from South America where the jerk gets upset and rams all the bicycle riders?).

I would hope this goes forward as a hate crime, and not passed off as road rage, or a road accident (which I'm guessing will be the legal defense).
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I would like to see the GOP use rhetoric to completely alienate and eviscerate the alt-right. Force them into their own party. Help moderate Republican congressmen run against and push out the troublemakers. Let the dust settle and see where we're at. I think it'd strengthen the GOP (even if they temporarily lose the majority) and increase congress' ability to function.
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I would like to see the GOP use rhetoric to completely alienate and eviscerate the alt-right. Force them into their own party. Help moderate Republican congressmen run against and push out the troublemakers. Let the dust settle and see where we're at. I think it'd strengthen the GOP (even if they temporarily lose the majority) and increase congress' ability to function.
That means sacrificing votes. They aren't going to do that. Trump won't denounce them because he wants them to vote for him in 2020. The Repubs will follow suit.

Even today - glad to see some of the GOP denounce the alt-right, but most didn't call out Trump. They want to win and the alt-right movement will help them do so.
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Could you not give Grundle the impression that he was anywhere but drowning in a river of shit of his own making?
Grundle's comments are disgusting, and I hope he gets banned, but who cares?

Trump's response is beyond repulsive. I am so done with that asshole. I am counting the days until he gets the fuck out of the White House.
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Many prominent Republicans have been vocal about condemning white supremacists in the wake of today's events. Notably, the president is not among them. Talk is cheap, though, so we'll see if Paul Ryan, Mitch McConnell, and all the rest actually do something.

Ted Cruz has called for the DOJ to investigate and prosecute the driver who killed that woman; at least that's something more than just talk.
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That means sacrificing votes. They aren't going to do that. Trump won't denounce them because he wants them to vote for him in 2020. The Repubs will follow suit.
It'd be a longer game. On current course, Trump is destroying conservatism and Republicanism. Another 3.5 years of this, and I'm not really sure what it's going to mean to be a Republican. If this is going to happen 8+ more times, I don't know what people will tolerate. Remember - Republicans are Republicans. Trump is a ... casual or passive infiltration. His rhetoric really belongs in a third party. But he elbowed his way in during the primaries. So here we are. In a way, he's a gift to progressive liberalism. We're seeing the Republican fantasy in action (house, senate, businessman outsider POTUS). When it crashes, it's going to crash hard.

Clinton, Bush W, and Obama were moderates and sensible politicians. If it weren't for the Tea-Party/Alt-Right infiltration in 2010, Obama wouldn't have experienced the ongoing obstructionism. The Trump administration is an experiment in disruption and extremism.
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I would hope this goes forward as a hate crime, and not passed off as road rage, or a road accident (which I'm guessing will be the legal defense).
Hate crime? Fuck that. I want him tried as a terrorist, starting with sending him to Gitmo NOW. Trump wants to keep it open, I say we have a new resident.
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